Manga > Anime




Posted by Non-ExistentOne

Here is my argument as to why Manga is better then Anime.

Most animes are derived from mangas originally, and a lot of very good manga never make it to anime form(Ex: Alichino), or they do, but get slaughtered in the process(Ex: Sensual Phrase). Voice actors tend to be a habit that cannot be broken (Ex: DBZ), horrible ones come and go, some just hang out; music is usually good (Ex: FLCL <3), but sometimes can take a turn for the worst.

Another driving factor in my case against anime is the fact that you need thirty minutes to go through a single chapter in a manga. Think about this for a second. For what you could of taken a couple minutes, maybe less, to do, you have to sit around and watch something for thirty (Ex: Naruto has taken almost ten episodes to get through the fight with Zabuza and the manga took about three small books).

The same case can be brought against turning books into movies (Ex: Harry Potter), but we won't go into that now.

My whole argument is that it is a waste of time sitting around watching anime, when you can just read the manga and be done with it. Less fuss, less time to do, and a lot more under your control (Anime you have to use DVDs, VHSs, wait for the episode on TV).

With manga, you won't miss any episodes, it's a lot less costly, and in my opinion, a lot more enjoyable. No crappy voice actors, no bad music, just whatever is in your head or on your stereo.

In conclusion

Manga > Anime




Posted by Big Boss

That's assuming bad music and bad voice acting are in place, which isn't necessarily the case if you're referring to the Japanese original. Anime like Neon Genesis Evangelion have excellent voice acting and incredible music, and even though the manga based on the anime is good, the combination of great animation, music and voice acting make the story and characters come alive in a way manga can't conceive. So, I believe that if there's a faithful translation from manga to anime, then anime is better.

It also depends on what property you're referring to. Manga based on anime is usually crap, as evidenced by the Gundam series. On the other hand, the anime based on the manga may be slightly different than the original but still great, like Dragon Ball Z. I prefer the extended battles in the show over how quick the story arcs were done in the manga. The length of the sagas made me get closer to the characters as they were explored more. The fight with Freezer is a perfect example, where the anime version had more ups and downs than the manga, and by the end of it all I felt like I had witnessed an epic confrontation, something I didn't quite get from the manga.

It all depends on what show you're referring to.




Posted by Non-ExistentOne

Quite true, BB. The original versions of most animes tend to have excellent voice actors and little-to-no change in the animation, music, or otherwise.

Then you have the shows like DBZ and Gundam.

I, myself, could never see shows like Dragonball Z or Gundam in a manga...it just doesn't mesh. Animation would be required to get the best out of giant fighting robots and shooting bombs at each other while flying at super speeds.

You referred to the fight with Freiza, or I'm assuming the fight with Freiza, unless you're referring to Cooler...I've never seen the original adaptation, which I'm going to assume is the one you're referring to...but I've seen the Funi/4kids or whatever version and as epic and climactic and amazing as it truly is, I found myself getting bored when it reached the tenth episode and Goku still had yet to become a Super Sayian...or for the fight between them to start. I do admit, the first Sagas of DBZ are DBZ at it's highest too.

I meant, rather then do this whole thing about Anime and Manga's diffrences, I was trying to make a point that reading a manga takes far less time then to watch an entire series. But somehow I ended up with the post I made, and oh well. But the whole thing is, I've been hearing how much of a waste of time watching anime is, so I decided to put a case for manga out there. My library, school library, even has manga now that it is getting so popular.

And everything you said about Evangelion, 100% truth.




Posted by Velvet Nightmare


Quoting Non-ExistentOne: Here is my argument as to why Manga is better then Anime.

Most animes are derived from mangas originally, and a lot of very good manga never make it to anime form(Ex: Alichino), or they do, but get slaughtered in the process(Ex: Sensual Phrase). Voice actors tend to be a habit that cannot be broken (Ex: DBZ), horrible ones come and go, some just hang out; music is usually good (Ex: FLCL <3), but sometimes can take a turn for the worst.

Another driving factor in my case against anime is the fact that you need thirty minutes to go through a single chapter in a manga. Think about this for a second. For what you could of taken a couple minutes, maybe less, to do, you have to sit around and watch something for thirty (Ex: Naruto has taken almost ten episodes to get through the fight with Zabuza and the manga took about three small books).

The same case can be brought against turning books into movies (Ex: Harry Potter), but we won't go into that now.

My whole argument is that it is a waste of time sitting around watching anime, when you can just read the manga and be done with it. Less fuss, less time to do, and a lot more under your control (Anime you have to use DVDs, VHSs, wait for the episode on TV).

With manga, you won't miss any episodes, it's a lot less costly, and in my opinion, a lot more enjoyable. No crappy voice actors, no bad music, just whatever is in your head or on your stereo.

In conclusion

Manga > Anime



I see no problem with voice adaptations from Japanese manga to Japanese television. It's the English dubbing that proves troublesome.



Posted by Non-ExistentOne


Quoting Velvet Nightmare: I see no problem with voice adaptations from Japanese manga to Japanese television. It's the English dubbing that proves troublesome.

My mistake for not clearly pointing out that I was only speaking about English dubbing.

Speaking of which, ever try to watch Blue Seed in English? I'm not even joking when I say this anime has the worst voice actors ever.



Posted by Cronoan

Another point in manga's favor over anime is the art style. Manga focuses a great deal more on up close, in your face characters, as well as still shots for emotional or otherwise significant value, whereas anime is more about the group as a whole, and tends to be less detailed artfully than manga is. For example, in manga, frames generally would focus on a close up of a character's face as he/she ponders something, whereas in anime the character has to narrate everything he/she does, and it loses something in the telling.

However, provided the anime is well dubbed in English(which I admit is rare), sometimes it's more interesting to watch an action anime than read it in a manga, frame by frame. All in all, I like both in different circumstances, but I think I still lean more toward manga most of the time.




Posted by Non-ExistentOne


Quoting Cronoan: Another point in manga's favor over anime is the art style. Manga focuses a great deal more on up close, in your face characters, as well as still shots for emotional or otherwise significant value, whereas anime is more about the group as a whole, and tends to be less detailed artfully than manga is. For example, in manga, frames generally would focus on a close up of a character's face as he/she ponders something, whereas in anime the character has to narrate everything he/she does, and it loses something in the telling.

However, provided the anime is well dubbed in English(which I admit is rare), sometimes it's more interesting to watch an action anime than read it in a manga, frame by frame. All in all, I like both in different circumstances, but I think I still lean more toward manga most of the time.

Another excellent point, and I'll provide a few examples:

DBZ (Teen Gohan)
http://darth-havoc.tripod.com/havocs_site/gohantrans.jpg
http://www.xs4all.nl/~dmillard/RandomAnime/DBZ-%20Manga%20Scene3.jpg

Naruto (Kakashi)
http://funni-chan.blogatta.org/imgs/ec7f728d7e9a.jpg
http://kakashi.fly-casual.org/images/gallery/manga/012_03.gif

Love Hina (Naru)
http://www.mangajima.com/lexique/animanga.jpg

FLCL (Haruko)
http://le-fou.hp.infoseek.co.jp/gazou/flcl_haruko.gif
http://theft.pirate-king.net/manga/manga01_naotaharukolay.jpg
(Mind you, FLCL's manga style is WEIRD)



Posted by Speedfreak

Half of everything funny in Azumanga Daioh is the animation. Paper doesn't animate.




Posted by Cronoan


Quoting Speedfreak: Half of everything funny in Azumanga Daioh is the animation. Paper doesn't animate.


Ah, but you have to have the imagination for manga, so I guess that's another good point. It's not for everybody, since you have to animate half the stuff in your mind as you read it. That makes anime better in some cases, for some people. :)



Posted by GameMiestro

I'm sorry, but I think that 90% of all Japanese anime dubbing sounds terrible. However, having to read manga backwards gets annoying, so I really have no preference.




Posted by Fei-on Castor

Can someone briefly explain the difference, or at least, what Manga is? I'm familiar with Anime, or at least, I think I am.

Anime is Japanese Animation style cartoons, right? DBZ, Sailor Moon, Evangelion, Ranma, Cowboy Bebop, right? If so, then what is Manga?




Posted by Prince Shondronai

Sometimes, I agree. The mangas for Love Hina and All-New Tenchi Muyo are much better than their anime counterparts, in my opinion.

On the other hand, there are stinky mangas like Nadesico that were revamped for anime by someone so much better than the original creator that the result is a TV show and movies that are beyond awesome.




Posted by Big Boss


Quoting Fei-on: Can someone briefly explain the difference, or at least, what Manga is? I'm familiar with Anime, or at least, I think I am.

Anime is Japanese Animation style cartoons, right? DBZ, Sailor Moon, Evangelion, Ranma, Cowboy Bebop, right? If so, then what is Manga?


Anime is what the Japanese refer to any form of animation (I believe even computer animation, at times), much like we refer to most animation as cartoons. However, for us to distinguish between American animation and Japanese animation, we say anime only when referring Japanese animation.

Now, apply the same concept to manga and comic books. In short, manga are Japanese comic books.




Posted by Non-ExistentOne

Big Boss, your idea of manga is partially correct, but Mangas are actually graphic novels, rather then just comics.




Posted by Lord of Spam

And action figures are collectible figurines, right?:rolleyes:




Posted by GameMiestro

I don't consider the dialouge in Manga as prose, so I don't consider it a novel.




Posted by Non-ExistentOne


Quoting GameMiestro: I don't consider the dialouge in Manga as prose, so I don't consider it a novel.



Quoting Wikipedia: Graphic novel is a term for a long-form comic book, usually with lengthy and complex storylines, and often aimed at more mature audiences. Graphic novels can be original comics work created as a single narrative or a short story collection, or they can encompass collected issues of previously published comic books, republished in a single large volume.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_Novel



Posted by Knightmare0999

I myself prefer anime. most manga I"ve read felt far to rushed. I usually can't connect with a character in a manga as easily as I can in an anime. That coupled with my love for most anime music makes it a hands down winner in my book.




Posted by Lord of Spam

Its still a comic book. Just because you own a dog doesnt mean that you dont own a mammal.




Posted by Non-ExistentOne


Quoting Lord of Spam: Its still a comic book. Just because you own a dog doesnt mean that you dont own a mammal.

Never tried to prove that it was not one.



Posted by GameMiestro

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Though conversations in manga often seem plain, there is some Shakespeare-like rhythm underlying many of them. If it isn't prose, it isn't a novel.




Posted by Non-ExistentOne


Quoting Wikipedia: Graphic novel is a term for a long-form comic book, usually with lengthy and complex storylines, and often aimed at more mature audiences. Graphic novels can be original comics work created as a single narrative or a short story collection, or they can encompass collected issues of previously published comic books, republished in a single large volume.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_Novel


Quoting Wikipedia: A novel (from French nouvelle, "new") is an extended fictional narrative in prose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novel


Quoting Wikipedia: Prose is writing distinguished from poetry by its greater variety of rhythm and its closer resemblance to the patterns of everyday speech. The word prose comes from the Latin prosa, meaning straightforward. This describes the type of writing that prose embodies, unadorned with obvious stylistic devices. Prose writing is usually adopted for the description of facts or the discussion of ideas. Thus it may be used for newspapers, magazines, novels, encyclopedias, screenplays, films, philosophy, letters, essays, history, biography and many other forms of media.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prose

Therefore, manga is more closely related to Graphic Novels then regular comic books. Also, take heed of this:

Quoting Wikipedia: A comic book is a magazine or book containing the sequential art in the form of a narrative. Comic books are often called comics for short. Although the term implies otherwise, the subject matter in comic books is not necessarily humorous, and in fact its dramatic seriousness varies widely. The term "comics" in this context does not refer to comic strips (such as Peanuts or Dilbert). In the last quarter of the 20th century, greater acceptance of the comics form among the general reading populace coincided with a greater usage of the term graphic novel, often meant to differentiate a book of comics with a spine from its stapled, pamphlet form, but the difference between the terms seems fuzzy at best as comics become more widespread in libraries, mainstream bookstores and other places.


http://www.barnesandnoble.com/subjects/graphic/graphic_cds2.asp?pid=1429
http://www.bordersstores.com/search/search.jsp?srchTerms=graphic+novel&mediaType=1&srchType=Keyword&doSearch.x=0&doSearch.y=0&doSearch=foad
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/002-5938093-3469657

Don't even try to argue with that. I don't feel like repeating myself more.



Posted by Klarth

You know an argument's gone stale when it extends to dictionary definitions. :-/

The one time I've preferred a manga to an anime was with FLCL. That is all.




Posted by GameMiestro

You know something is wrong with the world when Wikipedia defenitions beat dictionary ones. :P




Posted by Shade

I lost faith in anime when I saw Love Hina, and realized how butchered it was from it's great manga.




Posted by Non-ExistentOne

I really like Manga when it comes to Shōjo, while are primarily romantic with diffrent genres attached to them, but focus on a love story (Ex: Love Hina, Kare Kano, Mars, etc.). I find that I can get into a story like that much easier through the manga then the anime for some reason.




Posted by Cronoan


Quoting Non-ExistentOne: I really like Manga when it comes to Shōjo, while are primarily romantic with diffrent genres attached to them, but focus on a love story (Ex: Love Hina, Kare Kano, Mars, etc.). I find that I can get into a story like that much easier through the manga then the anime for some reason.


I agree. Shojo is also my favorite kind of graphic novel, and it's better than Shojo anime because manga is so up-close-and-personal, and gives a good deal more to character depth because of the writing style. For anime, I prefer action flics to romantic ones, because anime handles fighting scenes more smoothly than manga, for obvious reasons.

Oh, and excellent points on your defense of manga being graphic novels. Bravo. :D



Posted by Big Boss


Quoting Non-ExistentOne: Big Boss, your idea of manga is partially correct, but Mangas are actually graphic novels, rather then just comics.


Most graphic novels are composed of comic books, however. Like most manga, they're just a string of independent issues put together in a single book.



Posted by Darkbackward


Quoting Knightmare0999: my love for most anime music makes it a hands down winner in my book.


Cowboy Bebop is a fine example of this. I have both the graphic novels and some of the dvds, and I can say for a fact that Cowboy Bebop anime is vastly superior to the mangas.



Posted by Shade

Exactly, because the anime handles action better than manga.

But often times when a manga is made into an anime, they cut out so much of the great material. Like with Love Hina and Samurai Deeper Kyo.




Posted by Darkbackward

Although I despise Sin City, that movie is a good example of staying true to source material and creating an experience that mirrors the graphic novels to perfection.

The flaw of course was Jessica Alba, who is a hypocritical buffoon. But that is another topic for debate.




Posted by Dragner

I agree with Non-Existingone when it comes to the English dubbed animes I'd rather read the manga. I get mad some times watching the English animes there too cut up and the VO is horrid.




Posted by Velvet Nightmare

I'm just going to say here and now that the difference between watching Saikano and reading it is incredible. The show simply is terrible compared to the experiance of reading it and creating the story more or less in your head.




Posted by DBZKid10

BB is right.




Posted by The Judge

Manga vs. Anime is like books vs. movies. There's no clear winner.