Let's settle this.
I think the whole question is incorrectly done.
"You have two guitarists. Both are in a band. One band sounds like utter **** . One band sounds great. Take both guitarists out of the bands. Take note that a band isn't just a guitarist.
Can the "worse" guitarist play a better solo than the "better" guitarist?"
XD!
Anywho, I say no.
If I remember what Fei-on or Richaod said at some point, that basically comes down to a worse guitarist under certain conditions could write a better solo.
No. A better guitarist obviously can play better in all means. *******S.
As the worse guitarist, I do not think I can play a better solo that Metalvox.
I know what he means. If you take two solo's from two different bands (band A and B) and compare them you may eventually come across one solo from A that sounds better than B. And that solo may just be done by a guitarist whose skill is less than band B's guitarist.
But that's not saying A is the better guitarist, just in that one instance he played a better solo.
Which is a fairly stupid point to make.
Anyways, I'll say yes. Because I better guitarist doesn't always play great solos, while a worse guitarist doesn't always play ****ty solos. But the better guitarist is still the better guitarist.
Christ, this is retarded.
Edit: I didn't see the third option. That gets my vote.
Anymore threads on this will be deleted.
I voted for the third option. Guitar solos usually do nothing more than annoy me anyway.
The better guitarist, if truly a better guitarist, would be able to emulate the worse guitarist's solo. So, to -play- it, yes, the better guitarist could do all that and more. However, writing is a totally different matter.
But better and worse are such ambiguous terms that it's really impossible to argue, for both the guitarist and the solo, rendering the debate totally stupid. So I'm going to vote no for the record book, and "this debate needs to die" in spirit.
[edit: oops, accidentally voted yes. Changed vote to no.]
No. Flat out.
it depends. I think Yngwie Malsteen is a better soloist than say, Tony Iommi or Eric Clapton, but I also think that the latter two are better guitarists than Yngwie, because they are solid and did more for MUSIC than he did. I guess that's my take.
I thought he meant more like, some average guy and some super rad guy are having primetime super guitarist duels, and the super rad guy can **** up once even if he is in fact better. That's just how I took it anyway, but I don't really know the context this argument is all about.
Well if you were to but up someone like Dimebag to one of these Emo bands he would blow them out of the water so I'll say no.
Except Dimebag is dead. So technically anyone is better than he is.
Oh, of course. He just made it sound like it would be a head-to-head, live competition. So I just felt like poiting out othe obvious. If he worded it like "If you put Dimebag's work against...", I wouldn't have said a thing.
It depends entirely on the definition of the word "better". Better in pure skill and speed, style, emotion, how much it adds to the song in question?
Going through the possible definitions... If two guitarists play the exact same solo and one is better than the other, it's highly doubtful that the worse one would come out on top... if there aren't any random outside factors like rabid subjectivity from the "judge".
Style? Fe-ion summed it up perfectly. What if someone can fingerpick better than him, but he can pick better normally? Who's better? The line's too blurred, quite simply. Genres also count - how about John Petrucci doing a bluegrass solo?
Emotion and songwriting; they're sort of mixed. Put Yngwie Malmsteen (seemingly) up against anyone (especially his Mr. Crowley solo vs. Randy Rhoads') and you'll see. Another example is the solo from the song Another Day vs. Stream of Consciousness' - one's clearly more emotional and better in songwriting than the other, while the other is clearly more skilful.
Summary: if it comes down to anything more than skill, it's probably too subjective for there to really be a "better". No one really cares anyway, least of all myself.
oh and s0ul, that's the exact opposite of what I meant. :) I definitely agree with the points made by Fate, Vampiro, Sabredog, Fe-ion and Bj though.
Now would be a good time to end it. And thanks for raising the topic, Acheron. :(
There you go again with Stream of Consciousness, you know you didnt have to type all that. All you have to say is "i'm sorry, I was wrong" and nobody would care anymore. Just admit your wrong;)
Fe-ion, THE ION OF IRON.
Just curious, is the Fe-ion you're talking about positively or negatively charged?
I've already expalined this.
If any of you are familiar with Chet Atkins, you'd know he's one of the most incredible finger-picking guitarists ever. The man is, by far, a better guitarist than I am.
However, if asked to play the solo from Metallica's "Master of Puppets", I'll bet that I could waste him on that.
There you have it. A worse guitarist can play a better solo than a better guitarist.
Match Chet and I up in a different kind of solo, and he'd waste me. But I'm sure that there is at least one solo out there that I can play more proficiently than he can, yet he's a better guitarist, overall.
Music is art. Outside the technical aspects of it there is no better or worse. It's a matter of appeal.
Of course not. If one guitarist does not have as much skill as another, how can his skills be better? This debate it retarded.
[quote=Bebop]Of course not. If one guitarist does not have as much skill as another, how can his skills be better? This debate it retarded.
[quote=Fei-on]I've already expalined this.
If any of you are familiar with Chet Atkins, you'd know he's one of the most incredible finger-picking guitarists ever. The man is, by far, a better guitarist than I am.
However, if asked to play the solo from Metallica's "Master of Puppets", I'll bet that I could waste him on that.
There you have it. A worse guitarist can play a better solo than a better guitarist.
Match Chet and I up in a different kind of solo, and he'd waste me. But I'm sure that there is at least one solo out there that I can play more proficiently than he can, yet he's a better guitarist, overall.
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When you say 'worst' guitarsit it implies that his skills in all forms of playing the instrument are inferior to the 'better' one.
Your example is purely opinion. You only state that a worse player can still do a better solo because you consider yourself the worse player. In someone elses eyes Chet could be the worse player and thereofre the answer is different.
haha, you guys talk way too much about guitars here.