An interesting hypothetical
Posted by Lord of SpamLet say, for the sake of argument, that you had a girlfriend. Since this is a video game message board, I know its a stretch, but work with me people.
Now let's say that your girlfriend had a friend. She like this guy as a friend, but he had other desires in mind. He thinks nothing about trying to sneak a kiss or cop a feel. And then, he pushes her down on a bed, holds her down so that she cant move, and forces himself on her in a kiss until the point where she is crying.
As her boyfriend, what is your choice? Vote above. I lean towards the middle option. (Keep in mind that you know where he lives, where he goes to school, and where he works.)
Posted by The PunisherPenny sock to the head.
Posted by -Shadow-Are you planning on raping some chick or something?
Posted by Lord of Spam....No.
Posted by DraxamusI WOULD CRUSH HIS SKULL WITH MY BARE HANDS, AND BURN HIS HOUSE DOWN
Posted by FateIf you can get around the law and kick his ***, do it. That is disgusting.
Posted by Sable WindI'd kill him.
Posted by CaryatidI'd kick his ***. What a terrible thing to do to someone.
Posted by Poco
Quoting Draxamus: I WOULD CRUSH HIS SKULL WITH MY BARE HANDS, AND BURN HIS HOUSE DOWN
Posted by Lord of Spam
Quoting Fate: If you can get around the law and kick his ***, do it. That is disgusting.
You should see him, too. He's an ugly monkey. (Almost as bad as Jesse.)
Posted by Vampiro V. EmpireSo wait, all he did was kiss her? If oyu're going to force someone to do something like that, you might as well go all the way.
Posted by ChI'd say kick his a[SIZE="2"]s[/SIZE]s. Actually, intimidate him first then do it.
Posted by -Shadow-
Quoting -Shadow-: Are you planning on raping some chick or something?
Oh, nevermind. I completly misread your post.
Posted by cool gamer dadI'd force him down on a bed and kiss him. See how the bitch likes it.
Posted by RichaodThis isn't really a hypothetical, is it? :-/
Well, he hasn't taken it that far yet. Perhaps a warning would be enough.
Oh, and make sure the two of you publicly have really, really hot sex so he knows what you're getting/what he's missing out on. :D
...wait, is that good or bad?
Posted by KodachiAre you going to start "hypothetically" thinking of a way to avoid a penny filled sock? ;)
Posted by Richaod
Quoting Kodachi: Are you going to start "hypothetically" thinking of a way to avoid a penny filled sock? ;)
Uh, isn't it the other way around?
As in the other guy's going to start?
Posted by Kodachi
Quoting Richaod: Uh, isn't it the other way around?
As in the other guy's going to start?
I think accusing of him being the scumbag in the situation was more fun. :(
Nothing against him, though.
Posted by Richaod
Quoting Kodachi: I think accusing of him being the scumbag in the situation was more fun. :(
OH. Right. Judging the best possible response through a survey that predicts actions... smart.
I wonder if hooking him up with someone would work. He would be forever indebted to you... Surely that's a better (if less likely to succeed) plan of action than just bashing him?
Posted by KodachiHere, I thought I made it obvious that I wasn't serious at all on my first post.
Posted by Lord of Spam
Quoting Richaod: I wonder if hooking him up with someone would work. He would be forever indebted to you... Surely that's a better (if less likely to succeed) plan of action than just bashing him
No sane woman would touch him.
Posted by Richaod
Quoting Kodachi: Here, I thought I made it obvious that I wasn't serious at all on my first post.
Yeah, I'm just completely unable to detect emoticon subtlety. :(
Posted by Crazy KWell if I had a girlfriend who got pushed on a bed and was getting kissed forcably by some guy I knew, I would kick the guys ***. It dont leave the guy the rights to force her down onto a bed so you can get a kiss.
Posted by Bj BlaskowitzI'd be wearing his *** like an ankle bracelet.
Posted by Azusa[quote]I wonder if hooking him up with someone would work. He would be forever indebted to you... Surely that's a better (if less likely to succeed) plan of action than just bashing him?
I've tried to find him a girlfriend for him for the past four years. The only things he knows how to discuss with any sort of enthusiasm are comic books and video games; and sadly the only other woman that I've found to share his interests are all repulsive.
But yeah, terrible experience all around. Hypothetically, that is.
Posted by Linko_16Confront him with your girlfriend and let him know what he did was COMPLETELY unacceptable. Intimidate him, maybe, but don't threaten him. Give him reasons to respect women other than "I'll kick your @#$ if you don't."
If he does it again, I'd say she could probably sue for sexual harrassment.
Posted by Wicked SushiMake the guy's life a living hell.
Quoting -Shadow-: Are you planning on raping some chick or something?
Haha. That almost made me spit milk all over my monitor. :)
Posted by AntI've never been in a fight before, but that would be enough reason to get into one if I ever heard one.
This faggot thinks he can do whatever he wants to women. That he is number one. He needs be taught a lesson and maybe he won't do it again if he gets the **** beat out of him.
Posted by The JudgeI would throttle him, personally. Hell, if I was in Florida, I'd do it for you.
Posted by RaquelI'd say that a hit should be arranged.
Posted by Fei-on CastorHeh, listen to you tough guys.
Yeah, good call, assault the guy.
Your girlfriend has just been sexually assaulted, and is probably traumatized because of it, and then you go and so something like that, and most likely end up in jail, potentially prison (aggrivated assault). Right when your girlfriend needs you most, for support and security, you go and jeopordize that to get your petty revenge, and she ends up breaking down because the one person she cared about most (you) went and got himself arrested, and now, she has no one to comfort her.
[quote=BJ]I'd be wearing his *** like an ankle bracelet.
[quote=G0D, in the book of Romans, chapter 12, verse 19] ... Vengence is mine, and I will repay, says the Lord
You're up against a fierce debator there, Beej.
Posted by KlarthI'd break into his house at night and steal a lot of things.
Posted by Vampiro V. EmpireLike his virginity, right?
Posted by sabreWhat a disgusting crap. I hope he dies an agonising death.
That said, I'd charge him for sexual harassment. Trying to get him in trouble with the law and all that.
Posted by Klarth
Quoting Vampiro: Like his virginity, right?
You devil, you. [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/fnool/smalltran.gif[/IMG]
Posted by TriggerI wouldn't focus on trying to get back at this guy for what he had apparently done to your girlfriend. The better option would be to start telling your girlfriend how to defend herself from men when being forced into a situation that she feels uncomfortable in. Being that you are a male yourself, you should be fluent in what would quickly render another male defenseless.
You aren't always going to be around to protect her if, and when, she may require it. Threatening the guy who did it, or actually getting back at him, isn't going to solve anything. It certainly isn't going to stop it from happening to her in the future, whether it be by him or another man, especially if she doesn't have any idea on how to defend herself.
Stopping something from happening completely before it happens says more than a beating after something has happened ever will.
Posted by Draxamus
Quoting Fei-on: Heh, listen to you tough guys.
Yeah, good call, assault the guy.
Your girlfriend has just been sexually assaulted, and is probably traumatized because of it, and then you go and so something like that, and most likely end up in jail, potentially prison (aggrivated assault). Right when your girlfriend needs you most, for support and security, you go and jeopordize that to get your petty revenge, and she ends up breaking down because the one person she cared about most (you) went and got himself arrested, and now, she has no one to comfort her.
SOME THINGS GO BEYOND THE LAW
You know, sometimes I think laws are set up to protect evil men. If someone messes with your girl, you have the right NOT THE LEGAL RIGHT BUT THE RIGHT YOU HAVE AS A MAN to at least knock the offendor around a little. And if it concerns an actual rape, I'd say you have the right to kill the scumbag. It's about honor.
Posted by Azusa[quote=Fei-on]
Your girlfriend has just been sexually assaulted, and is probably traumatized because of it, and then you go and so something like that, and most likely end up in jail, potentially prison (aggrivated assault). Right when your girlfriend needs you most, for support and security, you go and jeopordize that to get your petty revenge
I wasn't as traumatized as much as I was suprised and indignant. But you do have a point. I wouldn't like to see LoS in jail anytime soon.
[quote]I wouldn't focus on trying to get back at this guy for what he had apparently done to your girlfriend. The better option would be to start telling your girlfriend how to defend herself from men when being forced into a situation that she feels uncomfortable in. Being that you are a male yourself, you should be fluent in what would quickly render another male defenseless.
You aren't always going to be around to protect her if, and when, she may require it. Threatening the guy who did it, or actually getting back at him, isn't going to solve anything. It certainly isn't going to stop it from happening to her in the future, whether it be by him or another man, especially if she doesn't have any idea on how to defend herself.
He had my arms pinned to my sides and my legs constrained. So rather than headbutt him in the face, I started crying, which I knew would stab at his conscience enough to make him release me. Though I would like to learn some nifty form of self-defense in the future. Just in case this happens with someone other than my friend, who doesn't mind the sight of my crying.
Posted by Lord of Spam
Quoting Azusa: He had my arms pinned to my sides and my legs constrained. So rather than headbutt him in the face, I started crying, which I knew would stab at his conscience enough to make him release me. Though I would like to learn some nifty form of self-defense in the future. Just in case this happens with someone other than my friend, who doesn't mind the sight of my crying.
Hypotheticly, of course.
Posted by The JudgeAzusa needs to learn self defense.
LoS needs to beat the hell out of this guy.
That solves both the current problem and any future problems that may arise.
Remeber: A man's weakpoints is in the balls.
Posted by Vampiro V. Empire
Quoted post: Remeber: A man's weakpoints is in the balls.
A man's true weakpoint is his strongpoint.
Posted by ZyneJust thinking about the act is driving me to rage. If this ever did happen, the guy would be limping away with 9mm bullet in his leg. Forcing yourself on women is an intolerable act, which should not go unpunished.
Posted by DraxamusAlso, a girl should try not to be alone in some dude's bedroom or whatever!
Posted by Vampiro V. Empire
Quoted post: Forcing yourself on women is an intolerable act, which should not go unpunished.
And shooting someone isn't?
Posted by Draxamus
Quoting Vampiro: And shooting someone isn't?
A bullet can be righteous.
Posted by Fei-on Castor
Quoting Draxamus: SOME THINGS GO BEYOND THE LAW
You know, sometimes I think laws are set up to protect evil men. If someone messes with your girl, you have the right NOT THE LEGAL RIGHT BUT THE RIGHT YOU HAVE AS A MAN to at least knock the offendor around a little. And if it concerns an actual rape, I'd say you have the right to kill the scumbag. It's about honor.
Then you have a few choices.
You can start an actual revolution, much like we did in the 1700s when we felt that British laws were unfair.
You can start a different kind of revolution, much like the Indians did in the 1900s when they felt that British laws were unfair (I blame Bazariah for both of these incidents).
You can use the American justice system to change the laws, by filing suit, and appealing it as long as it takes to get a supreme court case.
Or you can do as you've suggested, and go outside the bounds of the law, thus putting yourself in jail, and seperating yourself from your girlfriend who needs you now more than ever.
If she was actually raped, as in, penetrated by this guy, and you go and kill him because you think that's what he deserves, I've got news for you. That is prison time. That is guaranteed prison time, unless you're really good at making things look like an accident. So now you're spending the next few years in prison while you're girlfriend is psychologically damaged by the event, with the one person she'd normally go to now locked up.
Some way to show that you care. Abandon her when she needs you.
Posted by Klarth
Quoting Vampiro: And shooting someone isn't?
Not necessarily, but it's still pretty hardcore. xx xx slit death.
Posted by Zyne
Quoting Draxamus: A bullet can be righteous.
Amen
While not killing the guy, it gets the point across. People these days are too lenient on criminals.
Posted by AestheticJesus, what a loon. He needs to get laid :( It's just too bad that he took out his sexual frustration on you, Azusa. Tried and failed, though - you were smart to start crying. Still, I agree with Trigger. Matt, teach her your moves.
Posted by Mystic HeroAnd why would we even think of getting ourselves locked in a room with another guy that isn't your boy friend? Talk about desperate, this guy is pathetic. Anyone that has to go through all of that just so they can get a kiss by forcing a person to do so is really desperate.:(
Honestly if I ever cought one of my friend's doing that to my g/f I would kick their *** so hard they would fear to approach me for weeks on end. If a guy trys to force your g/f into something they don't want to do I would suspect you aren't just going to say "oh well what can you do?" and leave it at that. I would expect that ou would get physical. But hey there are those that try to fix these problems by using words, but for me if that ever happened I would let my fists do the talking.
Posted by Fei-on CastorYou guys are all way too rash. Do you even read what you're typing, or do you chew up the keyboard, then click "Post Quick Reply" and hope for the best?
Jesus Christ Almighty, you're not thinking at all, are you?
If your girfriend has been sexually assaulted, she'll probably need you around. So you go and commit a felony, thus getting incarserated, thus NOT BEING THERE FOR HER.
Even if jailtime wasn't a factor, consder that you can kill this guy, and it won't undo what was done to her, so you've wasted your energy on petty, childish revenge. Sure, killing him will prevent it from happening to someone else, but still, your problem isn't solved.
You all think your so dang tough, saying things about killing someone, beating them up and so forth.
I agree with the preventative idea that Trigger put forth. That makes more sense that attacking him after it's over, which fixes nothing.
Jesus Christ, you guys, stop watching so many Bruce Willis movies and realize that real life doesn't work quite like that.
Posted by DraxamusMAYBE YOU ARE JUST A WUSS, FEI-ON
Posted by The JudgeI'd second that.
Violence is the answer.
Posted by Vampiro V. Empire
Quoted post: I'd second that.
Third.
Posted by Zyne
Quoting Fei-on: You all think your so dang tough, saying things about killing someone, beating them up and so forth.
I agree with the preventative idea that Trigger put forth. That makes more sense that attacking him after it's over, which fixes nothing.
You sir are one of the reasons people think they can get away with it. What would you do, take him to court where it's his word against her's while drawing out the pain and suffering the girl now has to relive. Chances are he can get away with it, and continue his ways of attacking women. What would you do then?
Im all for women taking means to protect themselves, but if something happens and they can't, it's your job as the bf to step in.
Posted by Lord of Spami see where Fei is coming from, but this guy really needs to be taught a lesson. But then again, I dont wat to get arrested and fuck up my future. I dont know what to do, but I do know that kicking some ass would really make me feel better and end the problem as far as he is concerned.
Posted by DraxamusKICK HIS ASS, LORD OF SPAM
DO IT
Posted by Fei-on Castor
Quoting Zyne: You sir are one of the reasons people think they can get away with it. What would you do, take him to court where it's his word against her's while drawing out the pain and suffering the girl now has to relive. Chances are he can get away with it, and continue his ways of attacking women. What would you do then?
Im all for women taking means to protect themselves, but if something happens and they can't, it's your job as the bf to step in.
And you, sir, are the primary reason that problems like this exist in the first place.
Our justice system is screwed up, that's for sure. But beating up some jerk-off isn't going to fix anything, and if you still haven't figured out the point I'm making, you're not worthing explaining to anymore.
My job as the boyfriend is not be the girl's personal thug/bodyguard. I'm there for her, unlike all of you who would rather be away from (prison) then be there for her.
Your irrational behavior certainly will breed irrational results.
[quote=LoS]i see where Fei is coming from, but this guy really needs to be taught a lesson. But then again, I dont wat to get arrested and **** up my future. I dont know what to do, but I do know that kicking some *** would really make me feel better and end the problem as far as he is concerned.
You know what will happen if you choose to take that road, man. You know it. You know that if you attack this guy, you'll feel better. But you'll most likely end up in jail for it, and have a criminal record that won't ever go away, and will follow you through college, and any job application you submit after college. Good luck getting any decent with a criminal record (except "U.S. President", I hear you can get that one even with a DUI)
But no matter how angry you are, hurting another person can be difficult, when it comes down to it.
Two wrongs don't make a right. You wont' be undoing the terrible thing that has been done to her by doing this to him. The experience won't go away. But you might. Is it worth it to you?
Anger is a negative emotion, and acting out of negativity brings forth more negativity. First of all, you're probably upset at the moment, even now, and not really fit to make a wise decision since any decision you make will be based on anger.
These other morons you're talking to here will recommend that you do, because it's cooler that way. But they aren't the ones who will reap the consequences of a foolish action; you are. Don't let them, or me, for that matter have any sway on your decision. You've come for advice, and what you've gotten from most of these people is foolish advice. Almost always an angry decision is a poor one.
[quote=Draxamus]MAYBE YOU ARE JUST A WUSS, FEI-ON
If your opinion even remotely mattered to me, this would worry me. But because you're a human wasteland, I think I'll be okay.
[quote=Vampiro]Third.
Oh, Vampiro insulting me. How original. Seriously, you've never done that. Ever. This is the first time. I cant' believe how original that is. The originality is just overflowing. Man, stop the f*cking presses. Seriously, Vampiro, way to go. Way to zing that one on me. Way to assume about a person whom you hardly know, and for the first time, too. You've really outdone yourself this time, Vampiro. I seriously didn't see that coming. You caught me off-guard. And now I don't know what to think. Man, what a clever guy you are. Did you think that up by yourself, or did you get that from something? Seriously, this borders on genius, what you've done here. I can't hardly believe this is actually happening. Someone make a note of today's date. Certainly a federal holiday, nay, a world-wide holiday. Vampiro actually stated something derogatory about me. That has not ever happened, to my recollection.
Posted by The JudgeFei-on, pacificsm and being a peace loving person will get you nowhere if you decide to inflect your beliefs upon others and hope they'll act the same way. It's human nature to get into conflict and take out our frustration with revenge and physical harm. You'll never get around it as long as you're human. Face reality.
Posted by FateYou don't have to be your girlfriend's bodyguard. You can just kick some guys' asses in the meantime until she learns how to fend for herself.
Like I said, if you can legally get away with it, do it.
Posted by Fei-on Castor
Quoting The Judge: Fei-on, pacificsm and being a peace loving person will get you nowhere if you decide to inflect your beliefs upon others and hope they'll act the same way. It's human nature to get into conflict and take out our frustration with revenge and physical harm. You'll never get around it as long as you're human. Face reality.
Do you know why that sort of thing is reality?
Because people say things like "It's human nature to get into conflict and take out our frustration with revenge and physical harm." The first step to fixing that problem is stop thinking with that mentality as long as we're [i]so sure that we can't fix it because that's just how it is, that will always be how it is.
The person who perpatrated this onto the girl was acting irrationally, and acting solely out of "human nature", our sexual desire, and look what results that yielded! A girl was sexually assaulted and hurt tremendously by the incident. So now you're recommending that another person act irrationally and out of "human nature", thus yielding more negative results, just like the first act did.
If LoS attacks this guy, he'll be using the same mentality that this guy used when he decided to do what he did.
Posted by Fate...Except it would be a rational response.
Posted by Vampiro V. Empire
Quoted post: Oh, Vampiro insulting me. How original. Seriously, you've never done that. Ever. This is the first time. I cant' believe how original that is. The originality is just overflowing. Man, stop the f*cking presses. Seriously, Vampiro, way to go. Way to zing that one on me. Way to assume about a person whom you hardly know, and for the first time, too. You've really outdone yourself this time, Vampiro. I seriously didn't see that coming. You caught me off-guard. And now I don't know what to think. Man, what a clever guy you are. Did you think that up by yourself, or did you get that from something? Seriously, this borders on genius, what you've done here. I can't hardly believe this is actually happening. Someone make a note of today's date. Certainly a federal holiday, nay, a world-wide holiday. Vampiro actually stated something derogatory about me. That has not ever happened, to my recollection.
Whoa, tl;dr. Everything past the first sentence is unneeded, as you're just repeating yourself it seems.
Seriously though, I like how you chose to write all of the about me, when I never actually insulted you, just thirded Judge's second.
Though, I can't help but feel flattered. :)
Posted by Fei-on Castor
Quoting Fate: ...Except it would be a rational response.
What's so rational about attacking someone out of revenge, when you know the consequences could be pretty bad? It's easy for you to say that because if he does, you're not facing jailtime and a life long criminal record.
[quote=Vampiro]Though, I can't help but feel flattered.
Yeah, if your intellect matched that of an ape, you would've realized there was nothing to be flattered about.
But go ahead and be happy about yourself. Certainly, you've accomplished quite a bit with your insults and running others into the ground because you've got nothing on which to make yourself look good.
Oh, that last bit was sarcasm. Those are things you shouldn't feel good about. Figured I should point that out for you since you seemed to miss the last one.
Posted by Vampiro V. Empire
Quoted post: Yeah, if your intellect matched that of an ape, you would've realized there was nothing to be flattered about.
I don't know, you obviously took quite a bit of time to write all that stuff about me. Even if it's all negative, just the fact that you feel the need to put so much effort into it... well, that is flattering.
Quoted post: Certainly, you've accomplished quite a bit with your insults and running others into the ground because you've got nothing on which to make yourself look good.
I rarely insult anyone. And if I do, it's purely out of jest (minus a few exceptions).
Posted by s0ul
Quoting Fei-on: Do you know why that sort of thing is reality?
Because people say things like "It's human nature to get into conflict and take out our frustration with revenge and physical harm." The first step to fixing that problem is stop thinking with that mentality as long as we're [i]so sure that we can't fix it because that's just how it is, that will always be how it is.
But it IS human nature. What do little kids do when they're angry? It's not like they've ever sat and reflected on the psychological aspect of it, they are angry and instinctively hit and break things. Your first reaction if someone assaulted your girlfriend would be "I'm gonna get that ****er" too, and you know it. Plus, good ol' fisticuffs rarely get more than a fine.
Posted by Zyne
Quoting Fei-on: Our justice system is screwed up, that's for sure. But beating up some jerk-off isn't going to fix anything, and if you still haven't figured out the point I'm making, you're not worthing explaining to anymore.
Your point is nothing but cowardice and idealism, in a perfect world maybe, but this is not a perfect world. Truth is you should protect the ones you love and by doing this and putting the guy in his place, he is less likely to do it again. If you cared anything about you gf's honor and not about your own welfare you would do the same.
Posted by Lord of Spam
Quoting Zyne: Your point is nothing but cowardice and idealism, in a perfect world maybe, but this is not a perfect world. Truth is you should protect the ones you love and by doing this and putting the guy in his place, he is less likely to do it again. If you cared anything about you gf's honor and not about your own welfare you would do the same.
Says the kid who advocated shooting someone. You know dang well you dont have the balls to shoot someone.
I am being pulled more towards Fei's views here. I mean, I'm still going to get my point across, but I'll hold off on the reckless a$$ beating for the time being.
Love conquers revenge:(
Posted by Zyne
Quoting Lord of Spam: You know dang well you dont have the balls to shoot someone.
You know nothing about what kind of man I am, friend. If my gf was being raped, I would do what ever was necessary to protect her, be that straight out brawling or even the use of weapons.
Posted by Fei-on Castor
Quoting Zyne: Your point is nothing but cowardice and idealism, in a perfect world maybe, but this is not a perfect world. Truth is you should protect the ones you love and by doing this and putting the guy in his place, he is less likely to do it again. If you cared anything about you gf's honor and not about your own welfare you would do the same.
So what you're suggesting is that I care more about myself than her?
I know that my presence makes her happy. I'd be tempted to do this to that guy, but I'd know that doing so would leave my girlfriend alone.
I'd say that you care more about your petty revenge and childish impulses than you do about your girlfriend's happiness.
[quote=Vampiro]I rarely insult anyone. And if I do, it's purely out of jest (minus a few exceptions).
If that's the case, then you do a poor job of indicating this.
[quote]But it IS human nature. What do little kids do when they're angry? It's not like they've ever sat and reflected on the psychological aspect of it, they are angry and instinctively hit and break things. Your first reaction if someone assaulted your girlfriend would be "I'm gonna get that ****er" too, and you know it. Plus, good ol' fisticuffs rarely get more than a fine.
Interesting you should bring my reaction into question.
My girfriend did much worse than kiss a guy, but it was only because he drugged her. My girlfriend's "friend" took her out to a bar, and at that bar, they met this guy who bought both of them a drink. Apparently my Gf's friend already knew this guy, but my GF did not. The guy put a date-rape drug in my gf's drink, but didn't put one in her friend's because he knew her from before, and knew that she would f*ck him. But my girlfriend was not likely to go with it, so he drugged her. And she ended up at his apartment, and I refuse to go into detail about what happens next because it will only get me angry.
You're right. My first reaction was "I'm gonna get that ****er". I had it all planned out. I was gonna wait outside of his place, with a few friends, each of us wielding tire irons, and then jump out of the bushes, bash him a few times, and take his money and possibly his keys, go into his house, steal a bunch of his sh*t, then go home.
Then I realized something. This as*hole has family and friends too. It killed me to know what he did to my girlfriend. It seriously decimated me. And I wasn't even the victim, my girlfriend was. She wasn't as upset about it as I was.
So if I did this, and the guy didn't even call the police, his friends and family would be decimated too. He'd probably not feel so bad about having it done to him, since he knew he deserved it. But his brothers and sisters, sons or daughters, mother and father... They would be hurt and upset over me doing this to him, and they had done nothing wrong. So why should I do something that will hurt them (more than him) if they dont' deserve it?
About your comment about little kids, that's terribly irrelevant. We do a lot of things when we're little, like communicate poorly, speak improperly, cry when we don't get our way, and do minimal amounts of work, and still get by, somehow (thank you, parents).
I'm not a little kid, and neither is LoS, therefore, he shouldn't handle it as a little kid would. He should handle it like a reasonable, rational adult, like he is.
Posted by Vampiro V. Empire
Quoted post: If my gf was being raped,
Though, in this case, she was only forcefully kissed. Quite a bit different than rape.
Quoted post: If that's the case, then you do a poor job of indicated this.
Care to point out any of my insults that weren't directed towards you?
Posted by Fei-on Castor
Quoting Vampiro: Care to point out any of my insults that weren't directed towards you?
Sean Fury might be able to pull a few up, as could a few other members here.
Quite frankly, I don't care to pull up any of your posts, Vampiro. The truth about you is that you're insecure. You have nothing on which to build yourself up, so in order to feel good about yourself, you bring others down, which is much easier.
But what you don't realize is those who you're dragging down, those are people. They aren't mindless entities or video game characters. They're human beings. You fail to realize this, and you'll mock me for saying this, which only furthers my point that you tear others down.
You may not mock me now that I've pointed out the fact that you'd like to, but your mind is still thinking the same way. Go ahead and tell me that I'm wrong, and whatever else you'll say, but you know, even if you deny it, you know that I'm right about it.
Posted by s0ul
Quoting Fei-on:
About your comment about little kids, that's terribly irrelevant. We do a lot of things when we're little, like communicate poorly, speak improperly, cry when we don't get our way, and do minimal amounts of work, and still get by, somehow (thank you, parents).
I'm not a little kid, and neither is LoS, therefore, he shouldn't handle it as a little kid would. He should handle it like a reasonable, rational adult, like he is.
I was merely pointing out how it was human nature, which you denied. Kids seemed like the next best things to retards, and less offensive! About your story, the rapist definitely should've considered the consequences beyond what happens to her. If she goes out and rapes a woman, it's pretty obvious his family wouldn't approve. I'd be less hurt if I knew my rapist son got what was coming to him.
Posted by DraxamusWhy were your girl and her friend in some bar in the first place? And her friend did the guy too, undrugged? I bet your chick lied to you, anyway.
Posted by Fei-on Castor
Quoting Draxamus: Why were your girl and her friend in some bar in the first place? And her friend did the guy too, undrugged? I bet your chick lied to you, anyway.
Her "friend" turned out to be a prostitute, which neither I nor my gf knew at the time. My GF was in a bar because she enjoyed going to bars to hang out with friends and have a few drinks. This was an isolated incident.
My gf's "friend", the prostitute, recieved money for bringing another woman with her, which the guy drugged (my GF) and then brought home.
While my gf was drugged, she did have a vague recollection of the evening, which she sobbingly confessed to me the following morning.
When I asked her friend what the hell she was doing taking my GF to some guy's house, she responded that she wasn't aware that we were exclusive.
Posted by Linko_16Human nature doesn't mean a ****ed thing anymore. Humans are too diverse. What matters now is that some people act a certain way, other people act a different way, et cetera, through many shades of gray. Some people are slaves to basic human drives to survival like eating, sleepin, and in this case, reproduction, while others can override these drives in the name of morality. I stand by what I said before: CONFRONT HIM, both of you, and TELL him that what he did was horribly wrong.
There are those who are stuck with past ideals about women, thinking that they are property and should bend to the will of a man or whatever, but such ideals are usually stamped out of society today. I'd be willing to bet that instead of thinking what he was doing was an okay thing or that he could get away with it, he just wasn't thinking about the justice in it at all. Explain that such an act is punishable by law, and that he's lucky you're not taking him to court already; though it is arguable that maybe a good lawyer could save him given the lack of evidence (don't tell him that, obviously), the law is still on your side. The thought of being sent to a jail full of guys that might do the same thing he was convicted for will probably scare him way more than the threat of an @#$-beating. Even if you have to do it with lots of friends to show how many people are disgusted with what his actions, the first step should be talking to him.
There are, obviously, people who would not be swayed by an intervention. Even if he says he'll stop, take precautions against a reoccurance. Self-defense is something everyone should know a little about, and keeping out of risky situations will probably be instinctive from now on. Punishing him yourself is out of the question, because then the law would be on his side... no matter what kind of lawyer he could get, the bruises will speak for themselves in court. The only time it'd be legal is if you actually catch him in the act and have to get him off your girlfriend.
I'm not saying knocking him around isn't a good idea, but it just isn't the smart one right now. There are lots of ways to serve justice to this guy, but only a few ways you could do it without screwing yourself over.
Posted by Vampiro V. Empire
Quoted post: Sean Fury might be able to pull a few up, as could a few other members here.
Yeah, it was Sean Fury. Everytime I made fun of him, he was asking it. Even then, I never truly insulted him.
Quoted post:
The truth about you is that you're insecure. You have nothing on which to build yourself up, so in order to feel good about yourself, you bring others down, which is much easier.
Heh, actually, my self-esteem is quite high... which seems to be the opposite of your case. No offence or anything, but you seem to have even less on which to build yourself up.
Anywho, you'll be hard-pressed to find anywhere on this site that shows me "bringing down others", as I'm usually light-hearted.
Quoted post: But what you don't realize is those who you're dragging down, those are people. They aren't mindless entities or video game characters. They're human beings.
Human beings on a forum. Not everyone is like you, most people can separate real life from online.
And that's about as far as I got into your post.
Posted by DraxamusWait, so you're girlfriend was hanging out at a bar with a prostitute?
Posted by The PunisherYeah, I think thats what he's saying girlfriend with a prostitute.... Although im not realy into violence, if someone was messing with kelly, I would kill them, not litteraly of course. But I would do something to tottaly **** them off, if it was a guy twice as big as me, id key his car, or balogna it.
Posted by 007 ninjayou join in. duh?
Posted by Trigger[quote=Azusa]He had my arms pinned to my sides and my legs constrained.
It could have been avoided.
Posted by Wicked Sushi
Quoting Trigger: It could have been avoided.
No way.
Posted by Azusa[quote=Trigger]It could have been avoided.
How so? It was all sort of sudden, and I never really had time to react; which was probably the intended effect.
My anemia has countered all of my efforts to learn self-defense in the past. Maybe I should just carry a tazer. Learning how to immoblize someone isn't going to help me if I faint in the process. :/
But thank you for the advice. It's much appreciated.
Posted by Vampiro V. Empire
Quoted post: My anemia has countered all of my efforts to learn self-defense in the past. Maybe I should just carry a tazer. Learning how to immoblize someone isn't going to help me if I faint in the process. :/
A taser won't do much if you can't annticipate the situation. Otherwise, the same thing will just happen again. A suden attack with no time to react.
Posted by Trigger[quote=Azusa]How so? It was all sort of sudden, and I never really had time to react; which was probably the intended effect.
Not be there in the first place, keep distance from him whenever necessary or give off the vibe that says to him that if he touched you, one of your fists would be flying toward his jawbone, or a knee to his groin. I doubt that at some point during his attempt to restrain you that there wasn't at least one limb free for long enough to either knee, kick, punch or elsewise with whichever limb it were.
Even then you weren't entirely defenseless: if need be, you could have bitten him, yelled out until someone else heard you, or just struggle so much that it's difficult for him to achieve what he wants. I mean, the only reason any of this happened was because you put yourself in the same room as him, whilst alone. Guys aren't particularly good at hiding the fact that they desire someone either, especially when they're with the said person; surely you would have known he had feelings for you before that day and would have had something kickin that said, "I don't want to be here, he might try something". The feeling of someone trying to be close to you when you don't feel the same way back should be awkward and uncomfortable enough. That instinct alone should have forced you out of his room after a few moments of being alone in that room with him.
Unless, of course, you wanted him to like you...
Posted by s0ulMy ***, only Trigger could be SO stubborn and pitiful to blame... jesus, I can't even comprehend it. It's pathetic.
Posted by Vampiro V. EmpireEh, she does have a point though...
Posted by s0ulShe clearly doesn't know enough of the story to make such ignorant assumptions. DARE TO BE DIFFERENT TRIGGER *** YOU'RE HARDCORE!!!11
Posted by Vampiro V. EmpireTrue. But there had to have been something that she could have done, right?
Like Trigger said, there must have bee some point where she could have kicked, struggled, punched, yelled, bitten (ie, bite his lips if need be), and so on. Though she may not have wanted to hurt the guy, I don't know.
Posted by Wicked SushiYeah, I don't have an idea what Trigger meant by "It could have been avoided" either. Sure, you could have just I don't know, spit in his face and then kick him in the balls or something (that probably it would have just made things worse anyways). There's no reason to say what "could have been", especially when it already happened. As for how to prevent this to happen again, there are many different choices, like the one you mentioned; carrying a taser gun with yourself. You could also get other self defense items, such as the little tube that makes an incredibly loud noise, that you could just activate near his ears. I'm sure he would feel that. Or you could just get some pepper spray. I don't know where this incident happened, because I'm not arsed to look through the five pages of ranting and useless fighting over what should have been done or how Lord of The Spam should karate kick the guy and then push his face on a stove or whatever the hell others said around page 2.
Another good thing would be if you wouldn't hang out with that person, while you don't have a [boy]friend around, just to be sure. I mean, if he would try something, your friend can just whack him with a chair or whatever's laying around. As for what should be done...I don't have any idea, but I'm sure that shooting/beating/suing/raping the person back won't help. I think Lord of Spam should have some 'friendly" talk with the guy and I don't know, tell him if he ever does something like that, he will get a beating he will never forget. And yea, actually carry that out. I mean, it's sexual harassment and LOS's your boyfriend, so I think it would be pretty much fair for him to do some physical action on the guy. Also, I'm assuming the guy who did that to you isn't working out or really strong either.
I hope this post made sense, because I'm really tired. Also, I'm really sorry to hear what happened. :(
edit: I should have refreshed before posting.
VVV Oh okay, I remember him.
Posted by Azusa[quote]Unless, of course, you wanted him to like you...
No. He was my best friend. I never thought him capable of something so low. I knew he liked me, but I looked past it because I thought our friendship had a more solid foundation that it did, in actuality. He mistook my kindness for interest I guess, even after four years of being spurned. I never expected him to still feel that way after being rejected so many times in the past, so I wasn't prepared when it happened.
She does have a point. It would seem that way to anyone that didn't fully know the situation, and how could she? In the first few years of our friendship I made allowances for his behavior, because I thought talking to him would sort things out. But it just kept happening, so I started being more stern and telling him flatly what kind of behavior would and wouldn't work. Lately I haven't had a reason to, and I guess he took that as an opportunity to weasle his way in. But anyway, thanks, all of you.
EDIT: You met him, Wicked Sushi. He hung out with us at my house before.
Posted by XenosPeople, be realistic, it's not a kung fu movie. Most people would be too shocked/scared/stunned to react. :|
Posted by Vampiro V. Empire
Quoted post: People, be realistic, it's not a kung fu movie. Most people would be too shocked/scared/stunned to react. :|
Fight or flight. Fighting back is a basic reaction. Not unrealistic at all.
Posted by XenosBeing stunned and just freezing is a common option as well.
Posted by Vampiro V. EmpireIndeed. Though if you feel you're in-danger, wouldn't you try and struggle, at least?
Though I guess it depends on the type of person...
Eh, don't want to get in a debate over this.
Posted by XenosI know a lot of people who've been in the same situation before, in real life, and they just freeze. Hell, I freeze at pop quizzes. Everyone is different and equipped with different reflexes.
To be honest, if my best friend, who is a male, jumped on me, I'd be in shock thinking, "wtf?" more so than "GET OFF ********." Considering she's known this person for so long, I can't see many realistic ways to prevent this, maybe she's just a trusting person? I surely don't think day after day my best friend is going ro rape me, I don't see what she does either. I'd be very worried, in fact, if someone was that paranoid.
Posted by Trigger[quote=Xenos]Most people would be too shocked/scared/stunned to react.
All the more reason to start asking for help to combat that kind of reaction. Thus why I suggested several posts back that Lord of Spam should take some time trying to help his girlfriend defend herself. With knowledge of how to defend comes confidence, with confidence comes actual self-defense.
Posted by Wicked Sushi
Quoting Trigger: Blah blah blah
About your de-rep:
"edit: I should have refreshed before posting."
Thanks for reading and letting me say how I feel about the situation. FYI, you haven't said anything in your post that hasn't been said before on page 2.
Posted by RaquelThat is why you hire a hit man, so that you dont go to jail, and yet it still gets the job done.
Duh.
Posted by Fei-on Castor
Quoting Draxamus: Wait, so you're girlfriend was hanging out at a bar with a prostitute?
It's not like she knew that girl was a prostitute. She found out later. They had only hung out once or twice prior to this happening, and they met at Burger King, where they both worked.
Posted by Raquel
Quoting Fei-on: they met at Burger King, where they both worked.
...Is this about theJudge? xD
Posted by The JudgeI stopped following this thread a long time ago.
Matt, beat the sh*t out of him. End argument.
Posted by DraxamusYEAH DO IT MESS HIM UP
Posted by FateI dont care if you're a *******ed blackbelt or whatever; if any of you have been placed in a situation where you feel defenseless, there isn't much you can do. You guys can say whatever the hell you want about the situation. Until you have been faced with such danger or overpowerment, you have no right to talk about how a victim should respond. It's the same mentality that blames the victims of rape.
Posted by MetalVox~55Violence is the only anwser.
Posted by The JudgeThere we go, problem solved. Even the polls overwhelmingly suggest violence. Do it. No more thought to the matter. Beat him up.
Posted by DraxamusYEEEEEEEAH PUMMEL HIM
PUMMEL HIM
Posted by Skitzo Control"No officer, I walked into the house and saw him trying to rape her, so I took the baseball to the back of his head. The other three times, it fell on him."
Posted by The JudgeI think I'd sound more credible if Draxamus wasn't supporting me after every post.
Posted by Fei-on CastorI think you'd sound more credible if you weren't advocating mindless, senseless, pointless, caveman-like violence.
Posted by DraxamusBASH HIS HEAD IN WHOOOOOOOO
Posted by AzusaDraxamus, have you ever seen the [URL="http://www.big-boys.com/articles/toomuchcs.html"]"Too Much CS"[/URL] video?
It reminds me of you.
Posted by Vampire SlayerI'm torn on what to say. When I first read what you posted, I was like "KICK THAT ****ERS ***!" But Fei-on has made a really good point, she does need you around, and kicking his *** will mostly likly make sure that you aren't around her, which will just cause him to stalk her even more, maybe try other things. I would just talk to him. Let him know that you know what he did, and if he pulls some **** like that again. You will take some kind of action, maybe not violent action but action none the less.
Posted by Bj Blaskowitz[IMG]http://www.planeteq.com/features/contests/necro_priest_2.jpg[/IMG]
THREAD NECROMANCY!!!
Posted by cool gamer dad...
Lord of Spam typing coherently?
Posted by Omni
Quoting Bj Blaskowitz: [IMG]http://www.planeteq.com/features/contests/necro_priest_2.jpg[/IMG]
THREAD NECROMANCY!!!
Okay.
Penny sock to the head when he doesn't expect it, after warning him that it was coming so he has time to get all paranoid.
Posted by ExoXileI would make whomever that did it unable to walk, hopefully ever again.
Posted by Bj Blaskowitzquit hatin on me you WoW nerds. EQ> *
Posted by fates warningtry raping him up the ass. he'd be too embaressed to tell on you
Posted by Sable WindI responded two years ago and now I'm revising my post.
IF THIS HAPPENED TO ME I REALLY WOULDN'T CARE IF MY BOYFRIEND GOT SENT TO JAIL FOR LIKE A FEW YEARS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
Besides he could just go to his house and kick his *** in private. Guys don't tell on guys. That's being a pussy.
And Fei-on with his hippie crap. Yeah, sure, I'd want my boyfriend to support me, but honestly, I'm turned on by the idea of my own personal warrior. LET THERE BE BLOOD.
It's not madness, Fei-on. IT'S SPARTAAAA
Posted by maian
Quoting Bj Blaskowitz: [IMG]http://www.planeteq.com/features/contests/necro_priest_2.jpg[/IMG]
THREAD NECROMANCY!!!
idk why people totally ignored this, because I thoroughly bol'd. :(
Posted by KoHThis is like on the verge of rape. Actually, it is if he gives her tongue. Anything remotely close to rape deserves a brutal beating to near death of the offender in my book.
Posted by maianThis happened two years ago I'm sure said penny socking and/or owning has already much happened
Posted by The JudgeI find it funny how many of you don't notice the difference in dates and post like he still cares.
Posted by Vampiro V. Empire
Quoted post: I find it funny how many of you don't notice the difference in dates and post like he still cares.
You didn't actually read the posts, did you?
Posted by Sable WindYeah, I definitely know the difference in the dates... :p
Posted by Kendra, Warrior BabeBeat him with the penny sock.
Posted by The Judge^
Posted by Kodachi[quote=y2ksomething] **LOCKED**
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