Horcruxes - I'M SILLY AND THERE ARE SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD

So Voldemort split his soul into seven pieces. That's Dumbledore's theory. But I think Dumbledore missed an obivous piece of info. On the night Voldemort tried to kill Harry, the spell backfired onto him and should've killed him. But he had Horcruxes lying around so he didn't die. But since his body was destroyed, wouldn't that mean he would only have 6 pieces of soul left? And in the Sorcerer's Stone, when Harry and Voldemort fought for the Sorcerer's Stone, Harry destroyed another body Voldemort was living in. Wouldn't that make only 5 pieces of soul left?

Uh, you may want to put a spoiler warning, incase someone hasn't read it yet.

Fix'd.

And maybe he should re-read the book himself. Quirrel's body wasn't a horcrux, sir.

But Riddle's Diary was, so he should have only five horcruxes left.

Um, maybe it's more than a book? Some people enjoy this franchise a lot and take pains to follow the plotline and theorise on it. You can't really say that.

[quote=Xgars]Sorry, forgot about the spoiler warning. Thanks for fixing it. And I know Quirrel wasn't a horcrux. But the body Voldemort was in got destroyed and so part of his soul was. Slughorn said you create Horcruxes to put a part of your soul in it so if your BODY is destroyed part of your soul remains earthbound and undamaged. So Voldemort goes and tries to kill Harry but the spell backfires and his body is destroyed and so soul #7 is destroyed. So he goes to a Horcrux and uses that soul and finds Quirrel as a host. Quirrel's body gets destroyed and so soul #6 is destroyed. Quirrel wasn't a Horcrux but his body was destroyed and so part of Voldemort's soul was destroyed too.
Theory: After the whole Quirrel scene, Voldemort only lived on because the body was destroyed and the part of his soul in Quirrel's body wasn't.

The inclusion of Horcruxes completely damaged the book, to the point where HBP is probably one of the worst books in the series now. Not only is the concept of the big evil wizard putting his soul in an inanimate object so cliche, but the fact that V has SEVEN Horcruxes means that Book 7 is going to be nothing more than one big scavenger hunt.

yes, sabre pal is totally right there. if brown can sell 36 million copies of a book on one big hunt, then rowling probably could do it too, looking at her imaginative skills & poplarity.

Of course, Dan Brown had controversy on his side, but hey. Da Vinci Code showed that it can work, and it can work well - and besides, I'm sure J.K. has a lot in the way of intricacies and twists planned out, seeing as it'll basically be the sum of however many years' worth of creativity, writing, thoughts, and ideas. She's not going to have worked so hard and then just rush off her final work with something sub-standard.

So, I guess I'm saying I remain hopeful.

I'm sure the seventh book will be a success. JK Rowling's a great author. But I do think it's a little dissapointing that Harry's not going back to Hogwarts.

Harry better give it to Ginny hardcore in the end.

what in the world? harry potter isn't gonna turn into harry porno buddies. jesus.

it will be hard to picture a harry potter storyline that isnt based in hogwarts. the totally different scenery will be a drastic change, if it hapens.

My mom thinks Harry is the last horcrux.

Yeah, I'm bumping a thread that hasn't been responded to in a month, but she might be onto something.

This book almost seemed like just a big, long set-up to the seventh, and maybe it will seem better once we have a chance to read both in sequence. What worries me is that if he doesn't attend school next year because he's after these Horcruxes, it's a deviation from the year-by-year pattern that could result in an eigth book. I really hope she doesn't spring that on us.

And screw Ginny, I liked Cho. K, so she kind of freaked out because she was still upset about Cedric, but Harry didn't exactly do a good job of comforting her.

*Ahem* Really stupid question, but are Horcruxes for Voldomort like a Lich's Phylactery? That is, they contain his soul but if the Horcruxes are destroyed he dies for good?

Wouldn't that make Voldomort a lich?

[quote=higbvuyb]But, sales doesn't measure writing quality.
That's true, but it didn't stop the book from appealing to the masses and shipping[quote=Sabredog]80,000 to 90,000 a week back in 2004.

I think you're missing the point about Voldemort's body being destroyed. The last part of the soul was the soul itself, and that only survived because it was split. Think of the one still residing in Voldemort as a 'master soul piece', as it were, and you'll see my point. All the others were split off from it.

However, it doesn't make sense that the other ones can be destroyed as easily. Possibly the point is to reform the soul, rendering Voldy (heh) human, and hence killable?



Also - I think we all know that one of them is at number 12, Grimmauld Place, yes?

I hadn't really thought about where the others are yet. One person on my other forum, Zelda Power, claimed he'd confirmed the identity of the person who left the note in place of the Horcrux Harry and Dumbledore... Someone-or-another Black, a name you can probably look up in the Order as Sirius reads names off his family tree.

Known Horcruxes:
4) Tom Riddle's Diary [Destroyed by Harry]
3) Marvolo Gaunt's Ring [Destroyed by Dumbledore]
2) Salazar Slytherin's locket [Unknown Status]
1) Helga Hufflepuff's cup [Unknown Location]

Speculations:
?) Something belonging to Godric Gryffindor (this would be the sword)
?) Something belonging to Rowena Ravenclaw (unknown completely)
?) Perhaps Nagini (Voldemort's snake)
?) The heavy locket in the Black's house (possible Slytherin's)

Since this was the subject, I just wanted to let everyone know what the known and speculations were.

I also heard an interesting rumour about Harry's scar being a Horcruxe, which would be VERY interesting. I envision...a dramatic struggle, ending with Ron/Hermione killing Harry to destroy the last Horcruxe.

EDIT: Also, since the locket may very well be Voldemort's, I believe that since Kreacher hates Harry and his friend's and...his life so much, that if it is Voldemort's, it will be safely away somewhere or with someone.

Hmm. I don't think Voldemort has that subtlety, somehow. The only other explanation, for me, is that he didn't know that Harry contained a portion of his soul. That means that he would still have split his soul into six other pieces as well.

However, even if Harry contained some of Voldemort's soul, then that would have to be the reason that he couldn't touch Harry. And why would that work? And in any case, if it was, then when Voldemort was resurrected and he COULD touch him, then the piece of soul that was in Harry went to Voldemort. So it's not there.

You see how confusing it gets? I don't think it's anything near as complicated.

harry is not a horcrux. i am 99.999% sure of this. if im wrong, then i ask to be banned for a week when the book comes out.

nagaini(snake)
hufflecups cup(unkown)
slithern's locket(in blacks house)
something of ravenclaw's(in hogwarts)

r.a.b. is regulas black

Well me and my dad came up with a whole bunch of good theroys (I can't spell) One was that the sorting hat might be one. After all, it can sense danger and talk and all that jazz. The sword is not a horcux, that much is certain. Harry's scar could possibly be one, but did you ever stop to think that maybe there was a way to remove it without killing Harry? Voldemort wouldn't destroy part of himself, he'd take it back, then kill Harry. Another thing kind of off subject, I don't think Dumbledor is dead. Snape killed him, but if we remember correctly, Dumbledor fell out a window, no one was out there looking, and Fawks was flying around. They are wizards people and magic can help you do anything, such as creating copies of yourself for a day or two. But anyway... Take what I've said into consideration.


Cheers!

Hmm, interesting. I for one don't think the Sorting Hat is a Horcrux - I don't think that Voldemort would see 'hiding in plain sight' as a valid method of storing part of his soul.

The scar is interesting. I was just forcibly reminded of in Stone where Dumbledore says 'even if I could remove it, I wouldn't. Scars can come in useful."

However, Dumbledore is dead. Not even phoenix tears can rescue someone from the effects of Avada Kedavra. Yes, Dumbledore fell off the tower, but he was dead before he fell off. As to creating a copy of yourself - Snape is a Legilimens, and would have spotted that immediately.

Yes, but I don't think that Snape is really evil. I know, I know hard to believe. But if you didn't notice, he was giving Harry advice about how to fight, you know close your mind and everything. As for the legilimens, don't you think Dumbledore is powerfull enough to block Snape out? After all if Voldemort fears him, I think that he would be powerful enough to beat Snape.

Dumbledore himself admits he's not as good at Occlumency as Snape is at Legilimency. Snape - well, it's a bit of a dodgy issue, because the Unbreakable Vow forces him to do stuff, whether he wants to or not. So he coud go either way.

A theory has just popped into my head. Voldemort dearly wanted Draco to kill Dumbledore. Could it be that he was possessing him, and was hoping for his soul to be split again?

No, because Draco had full command of himself when Snape took over, and still it would be Draco doing that, even if Lord Voldermort was controlling him. Draco's soul would be split, not Voldemort's. But anyway, those were just a few thoughts. But, I think Harry might go back to Hogwarts for a while, then leave. He still has to master a few things, and take his apparation test. So, we'll see.

Oh, something funny but off subject; wouldn't it be hilarious for Ron and Luna Lovegood to start dating? To me, it seems funny, but somehow perfect.

Why aren't you banned yet?

I have been before. But I'm not banned because... I dunno. I'm just gald that I'm not. Why ask?

Not you. Someone else posted something stupid, but the post's been deleted now.

i have a theory that regalus black isnt dead and is going to help harry some how

The general theory is that RAB is Regulus Black.

i know but my theory is that hes not dead like the book says

Wow, I have read a lot of interesting information in this thread. I was wondering if this could possibly be moved into the Harry Potter Blog?

Anyways, I remember reading somewhere that the Sorting Hat is a lot more important than you think, so maybe it has some significance towards Voldemort? Though, I've noticed the hat is very unbiased.

And now that I think about it, Harry (or his scar) being a Horcruxe is an excellent theory. The prophecy stated that Harry and Voldemort both must die and that fits in with the fact that all horcruxes must be destroyed before the main being can die. But more specifically, if Harry's scar is the horcruxe then that might mean there may be a way to kill Voldemort and keep Harry alive. And, I was thinking that maybe Harry's scar is a horcruxe gone bad (seeing the way that it was implemented) therefore it burns whenever Voldemort is near. That makes sense, no? I will post more updates later.

JKR has already debunked the 'Harry is a Horcrux' theory, although not that his scar is. That's interesting.

Can someone move this to the HArry Potter blog? Good info.