Snes emulator for ds
Posted by CRONOfrog9I downloaded nesterds for the ds but that only emulates nes games, does anybody know of an snes emulator like nesterds for the ds?(Wow thats hard to understand)
Posted by NecrololiconOne exists, and it works real well, I hear. I don't know the link and linking it would be a bad idea regardless, but look around.
Posted by KoF
Quoting CRONOfrog9: I downloaded nesterds for the ds but that only emulates nes games, does anybody know of an snes emulator like nesterds for the ds?(Wow thats hard to understand)
Wow, you are a n00b. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ILLEGAL? WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THIS WHEN YOU CAN PLAY THE REAL THING ON YOUR SNES?
Posted by Velvet Nightmare
Quoting KoF: Wow, you are a n00b. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ILLEGAL? WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THIS WHEN YOU CAN PLAY THE REAL THING ON YOUR SNES?
BECAUSE HE WANTS TO PLAY THEM ON HIS FUC[i]KING DS, THANKS.
It also is NOT illegal to own an emulator, only ROMS that you do not own right now.
Posted by Necrololicon
Quoting KoF: Wow, you are a n00b. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ILLEGAL? WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THIS WHEN YOU CAN PLAY THE REAL THING ON YOUR SNES?
Uhh, maybe because it's you know, portable? Unlike the SNES, last I checked.
It is legal, and linking the emulator would be legal too, I just chose not to. Mostly because I don't remember the link, honestly.
Posted by Wicked Sushi
Quoting KoF: Wow, you are a n00b. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ILLEGAL? WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THIS WHEN YOU CAN PLAY THE REAL THING ON YOUR SNES?
Is your caps lock button stuck from jizzing all over your keyboard while watching gay porn or what?
Posted by KoFI never said anything about the emulator. You people need your eyes checked. ANYHOW YES THE ROMS ARE ILLEGAL.
Posted by Velvet NightmareOnce again, NO THEY AREN'T. GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR AS[i]S.
Posted by maianSNES is "obsolete" nowadays, meaning ROMS for it are legal, since the games aren't being made anymore, and Nintendo doesn't make the money from them.
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Posted by SpeedfreakEmulators are illegal due to the information needed to be obtained in order to build them (how the chips that are being emulated work). As are ROMs, obviously. In my opinion a SNES emulator is not immoral, however.
Posted by Necrololicon
Quoting Speedfreak: Emulators are illegal due to the information needed to be obtained in order to build them (how the chips that are being emulated work). As are ROMs, obviously. In my opinion a SNES emulator is not immoral, however.
Uhh, since when? Last I checked, when an individual purchases something, they're free to do whatever they want with it, as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others- which includes making an electronic backup, ie, an emulator.
Companies somehow circumvent this concept all of the time, mainly by requiring the use of a BIOS file, which for some reason I'm unaware of, is apparently illegal to distribute. Of course, emulators don't include this file.
Infact, I've never even seen an instance of ROMs being illegal. The only lawsuits have been those where individuals profit off copies of games, and then Nintendo's suit to renew the copyrights on their games, so people could not do this. ROM sites aren't sued and criminal cases don't come about, the website owners and/or hosts willingly choose to take down the files or site when asked. Afterall, if Nintendo is asking you to do something, you're probably going to comply. They can lock you down with legal fees, even if they lack a case.
Posted by thelaststandit wounldnt be illegal if u, gave me the link to where i can download the emulator, so could someone post it?????????????
Posted by CRONOfrog9Kof why do you always try to trash my posts?
And I found something that was supposed to be an emulator, but I'm not sure how to use it, all it did was convert snes roms to gba roms and that isnt very helpful.
By the way I only have roms of the games i own.
(thelaststand you mispelled beauty)
Posted by thelaststandlol, thats pretty bad that i haven't noticed that
Posted by maian[quote=Wicked Sushi's rep]You are wrong; it's still illegal. Check Nintendo.com, but hey, here's a rep. :P
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Either way, I still do it. :garfield:
If you're looking for a SNES emulator, all I'll give you is a name. ZSNES.
Posted by thelaststandbut how do u get it on ur DS?
Posted by EchoTo use an emulator on the DS, you have to get a program to convert the SNES/NES ROM to a GBA ROM, which you than transfer to a blank GBA cart. So first you have to buy a thing to do that with, than you just play the SNES game like a GBA game.
Posted by thelaststanddaniel u can suck my balls
Posted by NightmareBassXCrap, I meant to change to Disapprove.
Posted by Echo
Quoting thelaststand: daniel u can suck my balls
:-*
Posted by Velvet Nightmare
Quoting Necrololicon: Uhh, since when? Last I checked, when an individual purchases something, they're free to do whatever they want with it, as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others- which includes making an electronic backup, ie, an emulator.
Wrong. Under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) of 2000, it is 100% against the law to reverse-engineer any copyrighted work.
I can't remember if this applies to copyrights before 2000, though.
Posted by Necrololicon
Quoting Velvet Nightmare: Wrong. Under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) of 2000, it is 100% against the law to reverse-engineer any copyrighted work.
I can't remember if this applies to copyrights before 2000, though.
What are you talking about? The DMCA was introduced in 1998 and hasn't been touched since then.
Let me show you the Reverse Engineering section of the 1998 DMCA (the only one that exists).
"Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title"
That means, if I legally buy a PSP, and no PSP emulators exist, as it is my right to analyze and achieve interoperability between my PSP and any other program on my computer, I have the right to reverse engineer it, and make an emulator. That does not make it legal to download games and play them, though.
"The information acquired through the acts permitted under paragraph (1), and the means permitted under paragraph (2), may be made available to others if the person referred to in paragraph (1) or (2), as the case may be, provides such information or means solely for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title or violate applicable law other than this section."
This means I can send the emulator to other people, so they too can achieve interoperability between their PSP software/emulator, and anything they want. They still can't do anything illegal with it, but as long as that isn't their intent, they're free to use it. There's even a clause that justifies owning the emulator without owning the actual PSP.
So, I'm not sure what you read, but there's no DMCA of 2000 and unless you can show me the clause that states I can't reverse-engineer, despite the fact I just quoted two of the three sections under "Reverse-Engineering", I'll assume you were misinformed.
Posted by feltyIt is legal to make an emulator for a system and distribute it. What is not legal is someone making a ROM of a published game such as Minish Cap and distributing it to other people, although it is legal to have a ROM of a game that you own as a back up copy.
Posted by Speedfreak
Quoting Necrololicon: What are you talking about? The DMCA was introduced in 1998 and hasn't been touched since then.
Let me show you the Reverse Engineering section of the 1998 DMCA (the only one that exists).
"Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title"
That means, if I legally buy a PSP, and no PSP emulators exist, as it is my right to analyze and achieve interoperability between my PSP and any other program on my computer, I have the right to reverse engineer it, and make an emulator. That does not make it legal to download games and play them, though.
"The information acquired through the acts permitted under paragraph (1), and the means permitted under paragraph (2), may be made available to others if the person referred to in paragraph (1) or (2), as the case may be, provides such information or means solely for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title or violate applicable law other than this section."
This means I can send the emulator to other people, so they too can achieve interoperability between their PSP software/emulator, and anything they want. They still can't do anything illegal with it, but as long as that isn't their intent, they're free to use it. There's even a clause that justifies owning the emulator without owning the actual PSP.
So, I'm not sure what you read, but there's no DMCA of 2000 and unless you can show me the clause that states I can't reverse-engineer, despite the fact I just quoted two of the three sections under "Reverse-Engineering", I'll assume you were misinformed.
Then why did Microsoft have to pay off nVidia to emulate the graphics chip in the Xbox in the Xbox 360? They could easily have reverse engineered that.
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Posted by feltyHmm, well the rules might be different for companies who are going to be selling the things they make, but I think that Microsoft payed them because they can afford to do it and also because that way they wouldn't have to spend a long time figuring out how it works; how it works would be given to them.
Posted by Necrololicon
Quoting Speedfreak: Then why did Microsoft have to pay off nVidia to emulate the graphics chip in the Xbox in the Xbox 360? They could easily have reverse engineered that.
Uhh, because they'd be profiting off it, which is illegal? If you sell an emulator, that is indeed illegal. If you distribute it freely for interoperability, that's completely fine. The DMCA even covers that.
"provides such information or means solely for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title or violate applicable law other than this section."
along with "to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title".
This is the reason Bleem! got sued into the ground. They were an emulator, but they were profiting off it. You can't take someone else's patented technology and sell it, but you can distribute it for analysis (which doesn't include analyzing games by playing them, obviously.)
Microsoft could have reverse-engineered an Nvidia chip, changed the patented technologies and released it in the 360, but you clearly don't know how console production works. Microsoft doesn't manufacture its parts- the harddrive, the processor, the GPU are all outsourced. It's cheaper for them that way, since Nvidia knows how to make good chips, and has the manufacturing plants to produce them.
Posted by SpeedfreakD'oh.
Posted by loony636Wow. This is the first I've heard of snes or nes emulators for the DS. If I ever get one, I'll be sure to download these things. What are they called?
Posted by thelaststand
Posted by Fei-on Castor
Quoting KoF: I never said anything about the emulator. You people need your eyes checked. ANYHOW YES THE ROMS ARE ILLEGAL.
Roms aren't illegal. Ownership of a rom image without ownership of the physical cartridge is illegal, though. If you've bought an SNES gave, you're purchasing the rights to play it as you wish. If you'd like to play it in the form of a rom, that's totally legal, as long as you have the cartridge.
However, downloading having rom images of games that you do not own is illegal because those games are copyrighted and to legally use them, you have to secure permission from the manufacturer by purchasing the product or expressed permission in some other form (by actually contacting the copyright holder and asking if you can have a rom).
But you're right about emulators, though. Totally legal because they aren't copys of copyrighted software. Unless it's a really advanced emulator, developed by a company that charges for use of their software. But most emulators are freeware.
Back when I first learned basic HTML, I made an emulation page, including about 20 downloadable rom files for SNES emulators. I ended up recieving a notice from Angelfire (my host) that they were contacted by Nintendo regarding my page, and had to delete it because it was in violation of terms and conditions by making accessable copyrighted material without securing expressed permission from the copyright holders. Or something like that.
Posted by Speedfreak
Quoting Fei-on: Roms aren't illegal. Ownership of a rom image without ownership of the physical cartridge is illegal, though.
Whoa there Fei-on, that's actually bull. Which is why Nintendo has been able to legally shut down hundreds of ROM sites?
Posted by Fei-on Castor
Quoting Speedfreak: Whoa there Fei-on, that's actually bull. Which is why Nintendo has been able to legally shut down hundreds of ROM sites?
Rom sites distribute copyrighted property without permission of the copyright holder. As soon as you purchase a video game, you're legally allowed to back it up as much as you want. If you want to encode the game into a rom image onto your computer, you legally can if you've bought the game, because you, at the time of purchase, have obtained expressed permission to use the property for your private purposes.
Rom sites don't work like that. They offer copyrighted material to people who haven't obtained permission from the copyright holder. A site where you can surf around downloading roms for free is illegal; encoding and use of rom images is not, if you have expressed permission from the copyright holder.
Like, if I buy a CD and record it onto a tape for my private use, that's fine. If I buy a CD and record it onto 50 tapes and distribute them, that's illegal....
G*d, I'm talking in circles.
But I can guarantee that once you've purchased a video game, CD, or movie, you are legally allowed to copy it to any format you wish, for private use only. Including rom images.
Posted by Speedfreak
Quoted post:
Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game?
There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.
Go argue with Nintendo then.
As I understand it, a ROM is by definition more than just a copy.
Posted by Fei-on Castor
Quoting Speedfreak: Go argue with Nintendo then.
As I understand it, a ROM is by definition more than just a copy.
[quote=Fei-on] If you want to encode the game into a rom image onto your computer, you legally can
[quote=that thing you posted]The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner
I didn't say that downloading roms is okay. They've clearly stated that you're allowed to encode the game into rom format, if you're the rightful owner. You're just not allowed to take someone else's copy.
But according to that thing you posted, you can legally make your own, if you know how to encode a cartridge into a file.
I know that downloading roms is illegal, which is why I said that rom sites are illegal. But roms themselves are not. It's a totally legitimate form of backup/archival copies, if you make the copy yourself, and not using a copy of someone else's game.
Posted by Drewboy64Ignoring all the arguing you people love, I'd really like to have an emulater on my DS.
Posted by CRONOfrog9I am about to crap my own thread, but I was wondering what happened to everyones avatars?