our future
Before I get started, yes i'm back. To those of you who don't like me, i'm sorry?? Probably won't be on very often anways do to my demanding work schedule. I work about 60-80 hrs a week and on my time off I enjoy time at the bars. Cheers! :-D
Anyways back to the topic at hand. How do I start?? I guess you could say i'm half liberal half conservative. I don't really know that I believe in ***? And i've had sex numerous times without being married. I guess at times I can be a rowdy liberal. And although I do have liberal tendencies, I do believe in morals and values. Although I can't say I carry them out all too much myself, I believe as a country we should move to more moral times. I'm not married, and I have no kids, however one day when I do, I want them to grow up in safe times with more values. I grew up in a school that the Junior High had more pregnancies with 12, and 13 year olds, than the entire Senior High School had (grades 10-12) combined. I grew up in a fairly liberal college town. The teachers pushing their liberal ways on us. Some made sense, some not so much. I am pro life for the most part. I only believe in abortions in the terms of rape, or if it'd kill the mother during labor. By no means am I anti gay. Infact I run a business now, I have 5 employee's under me. One happens to be gay. I was well aware of it at the time I hired him. I have no problem against blacks. Infact I will be more than likely hiring one within the next week or so. So to show you where I stand I have no problem with sex, race, or sexual preference.
As for the war I am for the war. I don't believe we invaded for the right reasons, or with the right amount of information. But it has become a very successful. So successful that most days there are more murders in LA due to violance than in Iraq due to terrorism. We have liberated 25 Million Iraqi's towards freedom and democracy. I don't believe Al Qaeda had much at stake in Iraq. But we sure as hell liberated them from a dictactor who killed 2 Million people. I truley believe the surge worked. Don't get me wrong of course we made alliances with groups inside Iraq that didn't much care for us. Infact one town full of Iraqi insurgants who constantly attacked the US was attacked themselves by Al Qaeda. The Insurgants and the US troops made an alliance to get rid of Al Qaeda since they were the common enemy. Or as they say, my Enemies Enemy, is my friend. In doing so those insurgants now no longer attack us. We backed them up and got rid of Al Qaeda in that particular town. Violence is probably non existent or near non existent there now. Now you may ask why I believe the Surge worked. Well it showed our committment to the war. We had no right to be in Vietnam but the only reason why we lost that war is because the media lost it for us. They attacked the war. Not all that long ago a North Vietnam general had an interview and in that interview he said the US would have won had the media not demoralized our people and troops. The Surge on the other hand showed our commitment. Our patriotism shows our commitment. Now I do believe we need to show more commitment in Afganistan and one day we will be out of both wars and get our troops home!!
Now onto the actual candidates. By this time your probably drooling on your keyboards because your so **** bored of listening to me. Feel free to stop reading this if you wish.
To start this portion off, I must say i'm not a big fan of either Obama or Mccain. I respect both men for getting as far as they have. Obama is an excellent speaker who has the ability to get millions of people to support him. Mccain a long time politician has experienced a harsh life in Vietnam but has overcome death defying odds.
Mccain is who I am voting for.
Its rather funny how the media will attack Palins daughter for being pregnant. Getting into Palins family life. However the media downplays Obama's friendship with Bill Ayers saying the terrorist acts Bill Ayers commited happend when Obama was 8. WAIT WHAT??? Wait.. Obama's defense is it happend when he's a kid??? Ok.. I'm going to become friends with Hitler's dead corpse. I mean.. He only killed what?? 10 Million jews?? I mean but.. it happend 40 years before I was ever born. So that must make Hitler a different guy. He must be a good guy now. Sounds great..
Or how about the fact Obama's pastor is more or less Rascist against whites. As Jeremiah Wright himself said.. Not *** Bless America.. But *** **** America. He then goes on to blame whites for spreading aids to the black community. I'm a little lost on that one?? I mean I could be off in left field. After all blanket hill is just up the road from me, where we spread diseases to Native American Indians to kill them off. So I could be wrong?? But I highly doubt it.
Enough with the personal attacks, lets look what the candidates stand for.
Obama:
-Anti War (Good thing in a way)
-Fixing health care (YES please do, but don't make it free. Don't let it be like Canada. We have more MRI Machines in my State, than Canada does as a country. Plus they have high medical taxes. Nothings free in life kids lol).
-Raising taxes (Boo.. I can't express this enough. I will bring this point up again shortly)
-Against Drilling (Thats madness.. No not Sparta, just Madness)
-Pro Choice (Well I can't be mad at him for having his own opinion)
Mccain:
-Not necessarily Pro War, but for this war (Good in a sense, but did back surge so he gets cookie points).
-Fixing health care (read above what I put in with Obama)
-Lowering taxes (Thank ***)
-Pro Drilling (Thank you)
-Pro Life (What I agree with)
Now those are just some instances of what they stand for. The two topics I wish to talk mainly about is taxes and drilling.
Obama plans to tax primarily the rich to give to the poor. Ah the classic Robin Hood story. Excellent excellent story. Only one problem. Why over tax and punish those who were willing to become rich and drive our economy? Why tax those who help grow the economy and give to the poor? Allow me to reiterate. I don't mean necessarily those are poor but those who are taking advantage of the system. For example a friend of mine I grew up with, now decides to stay at home and get high instead of going to work. This man is on wealthfare now. He takes advantage of the system. Says he's bipolar which hes admitted is lying in the past. He's just an excellent faker. Some business owner not even necessarily a rich business owner is paying for this man to stay at home and get high instead of working. This man does not help our economy. He wastes his money on weed, cigarettes, and cheetos (Nothing wrong with cheetos ^_^).
Also taxing the rich that own businesses will create two other outcomes. Rising prices in the products they sale/manufacture for sale, and either lowering the income of their employee's or simply getting rid of their employee's which hurts the economy worse. The problem is that we don't need to tax the rich more. We simply need to cut taxes from those who do not need the money. Some of you might defend it by saying "What about those poor people working two jobs at once just to get by in life??" My answer.. Well Hello my names Derek. I used to hold 2 jobs together at once. I worked 80 hrs a week consistently making minimum wage. You know what I found out? The Governement already gives you more chances to excel in life. Not to mention if you DESIRE something higher. IF you set a goal in life to achieve. You can and you WILL achieve that goal. I now run my own business. A successful business. I can't say i'm a million dollar business yet. And by no means am I even rich. Far from it. But I used to be that guy working two jobs. I worked and I earned what I have gained in life. And I will continue to work harder to one day become rich and successful.
Obama wants to raise taxes by the tens of billions of dollars.. Mccain on the other hand wants to lower taxes. Which will help grow more jobs with businesses being able to expand. This will help lower some of the costs we have which will strengthen the dollar.
Drilling time..
Obama does not want to drill. We will be dependant on other countries for our oil. He wants us to become less dependant on oil Which is a good thing but we can't just overcome this overnight. He wants to find alternative fuels which I agree with 100%. However he is fine if we pay $10 a gallon at the pump. This of course crushes our economy greatly. Jobs in Detroit Michigan, and not to mentio truck drivers, Airliners, and even businesses that customers must drive to will be horribly devestated. We have more oil in the ANWR, The Gulf of Mexico and in the Green River Basin in Colorado to keep us depenandant for a VERY VERY long time in oil. Thus greatly lowering our gas prices (Considerably more than pumping air into your tires, which if you don't do that already, you probably aren't very bright). It will make us dependant on ourselves. We will no longer need Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and other OPEC nations to support us. If they cut us off and we went to war, we would only have the reserve. After that,then what? Wind power isn't going to push our tanks across the country if we are ever invaded.
Lets think of drilling this way. We drill, we become dependant on our own resources. It will give us a lot more time to mass produce alternative fuels. Gas prices go down, economy and dollar go up. Food prices lower, more jobs will be built in numerous industries (ex: Car/Truck/Airline/Truck Driver etc) etc etc.
Don't get me wrong I don't want to hurt the enviroment at all if we could help it. But look at the Gulf of Mexico. The Cubans are pushing to start drilling in our area. If we don't DRILL SOMEBODY ELSE WILL. I would rather trust our modern day technology than Cuba's technology which might be 40 years old. ANWR doesn't have a lot of life in the area we would be drilling. Colorado could be a little bit of a different story but there are area's there too that we could drill.
Mccain is for all of that.
Summary:
I'm voting for Mccain because he will drive our economy, lower our taxes, hopefully fix our healthcare (Hopefully), and not to mention is not afraid to defend his own country. Obama plans to cut national security. I would expect that from a man who helps run Chicago with its most violent times in perhaps the history of Chicago.
One last note before I head off to the land of dreams as I grow weary. After watching the conventions. Its funny to see that Obama's best comeback to Palin's address was that she's pretty much like "Bush." Wow.. I think the entire Obama team overuses that. Mccain.. Yeah he's like Bush.. Palin too. Although both disagree with Bush on a lot of key points. Maybe Mccain should say Obama resembles Bill Ayers in many categories.
Well Guys and Gals, If you've actually read all of this and wish to debate on this i'm more than welcoming you to do so. I don't much like Mccain, but he's the right candidate with a lot of experience.
Good night!
Good chatting
Perhaps you will hear from me again soon! :chainsaw:
Yeah, Not surprised.
I'm for Obama.
1. Health Care reform (Our Economy isn't Canada's, so direct comparisons are silly...:cookie2: )
2. Pro Choice (Morally presumptious *******s)
3. Against drilling (Natural resources hardly managed)
4. Anti-War (Would rather put the troops in LA and stop the murders there)
5. Reinstate Taxes (for the richest 1% who aren't providing more jobs inside our country)
6. Education reform (just rolling back no-child left behind)
7. Foreign Policy (It's not the 1960s anymore)
[quote]We have liberated 25 Million Iraqi's towards freedom and democracy.haha okay buddy
I never really get why people are in favor of cutting taxes all the time. lower taxes = ****tier public services, right?
yall cant see what were really doing in the world is important, with the helping of the kids the world over, america is the world leader in leading the world. we went to the eye-rack and done liberated them, and liberated their resources from the tyrantical rule of the greatest tyranter of them all, sadam hussein, and now our brave soldiers are there protecting them from their lacks of democracies! we have done introduced them to the freedom and the freeness that they want to have deserved! 500 million eye rackies all liberated for the world, and i have a mongoloid child who is a blessing, i will never forget the warmth that down's syndrome brought into the lives of ten billion americans, *** bless america, the world leaders in leading our american world
Seriously, you can't blame the McCain administration for reaching out to the parents-of-crack-babies demographic. Palin's got them in the ****ing bag.
Wow, random, you continue to be as retarded as ever.
I'm pretty sure that canada, not to mention pretty much ALL OF EUROPE will attest to the fact that socialized medicine is a good deal. Dont belive me? HEy, thats cool, I'm american after all, I never really got to experiance it. Oh, if only there were people we could ask that have dealt with the system personally. OH HEY, THERE ARE? So, speedfreak, x, netman, vamp, all you euro/canadafags, hows that going? Are people dieing in the streets? Are hospitals run down and ****ty? Let us know!
As for taxes, yeah, I'm not even gonna lie, Obama favors a progressive taxation scheme wherein the more you make the more you get taxed. Lets think about this with a little example. The HIGHEST tax bracket is what, like 50% lost to taxes? And you have to make like a million a year I think to get that. People like me who make about $20k a year in taxable income (I love hte military, half my salary is untaxable <3) pay like 10%-ish.
So lets say you're on a gameshow and they give you the following choices: you can take 50% of one million, or 90% of twenty thousand. I'm not sure of hte math on that one, but I think the million is more! Oh, ****, look at that, they're still makeing ****tons more. BUT WAAAAAH NOW I CANT AFFORD MY FIFTH BEACH HOUSE BOO HOO! I DONT CARE IF IM A SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE **** WHO CHOOSES MAXIMUM PESONAL GAIN OVER THE WELFARE OF SOCIETY I WANT WHAT I WANT AND I WANT IT NOW.:cry:
As for palin... christ, thats the most hilarious pick ever. Kinda hard to maintain credibility when you attack your main opponent for lack of experiance, then appoint a woman who is ON FILM as saying that she has no idea what the vice president does; a woman who wants to teach "LOL *** DID IT" as a viable scientific alternative to evolution, and who wants to return sexual education in schools to the 1800s level of NO. NO SEX. SEX IS BAD. DONT DO IT OR *** HATES YOU.
And as if THAT wasnt reason enough to destroy both mccain and her credibility, they then go after obama's patriotism. Huh, pretty sure our old buddy palin there was a member of the alaskan independance party when she was elected. You know, the ones that wanted alaska to be a seperate nation? Man, sure sounds like she loves america to me.
As for the military...well I'll respect your thoughts on that once you enlist.
As for drilling, all thats going to do is delay the inevitable. We're far better off with a balanced national budget that reduces the national debt, and then once we're not wasting 23% of our total national incoming on paying JUST THE ****ING INTEREST we can take THAT money and reinvest it into alternative infastructure reseach. Besides, the amount of oil that may or may not be in these places is not some ****ing magic cureall; its a bandaid. Right now americas legs are rotting. Pretty sure a bandaid aint gonna cure gangrene.
You, sir, have been effecively and totally demolished. Have a nice day. :)
I like how people convey that socialized medicine is so terrible, and spread around via chain-emails horrid tales of mass slaughter in hospitals because nobody can see a doctor and they have to wait 2834y34 years for their brain tumor surgery. I guess it just never occurred to them that if it was so awful, people would. . . ya know. . . leave those countries. And Canadians seem to be in really good moods and really happy people, considering just how utterly ****ing terrible their medical system and tax system are. . . kinda makes you wonder if, ya know, it really isn't that BAD after all?
and for the record, Palin's "what does a VP do?" statement was rhetorical.
random, you are aware that people die on organ-donation waiting lists in our great country, with our expensive health care, right? Their health care system is not that bad. Please research before you say such dumb things, seriously.
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As for the tax portion that may very well be true but you have to understand as i've repeatedly stated before that raising taxes will raise prices and cut jobs. Not to mention we are wasting too much tax dollars one wasteful spending as it is. We can get worthless Governement programs to easily offset this. Besides Obama now wants to raise a trillion dollars in new taxes. OUCH.. Long story short raising taxes will raise prices which AFFECT US, and maybe not cutting all that many jobs but certainly will hurt to create more jobs.
WRONG. This over generalized view point of the Republican 1950s is pretty much bull **** now. Lower taxes = Higher revenu, correct? However, Lower taxes = Higher tuition costs for College, aswell as less money for any other infrastructures out country needs for this digital age. Lower Taxes is only an advantage to the richest 1 %, with the intention of the richest 1 % to make jobs for us working class, right? Well, I'm not sure what country you've been living in, but our economy has been lurking on the verg of blowing up, POST TAX BREAKS, with unemployment rising slightly, with avg wages not rising with inflation, making the cap between the rich and the poor grow right along side our national debt. Let me break your dream bubble of Reganomics 101. Companies are going to use that extra revenu from tax breaks for furtharing facility production in China and Mexico, while cutting Jobs here to raise stock. If anything, tax cuts will supply more companies to finally make their investment elsewhere for cheaper labor, while leaving our public schools, health care, and our social security (which still hasn't been resolved) to soak up the rest of the budget. You mention government spending being sucked up by over head costs, which reminds me of George Bush's idea of teachers just waiting for their pay checks, even though a lot of teachers are dealling with 2 students per desk in some schools. Brilliant. Maybe the bloated 200,000 a year salary for senators and other officials in the government should be the first thing cut, along with George Bush's ****ing joke of a library.
I'm a small government republican (there are a few of us left) who doesn't mind more taxes, if they get us more STUFF. *** forbid a country provide luxuries and amenities enjoyable to all!
I'm all for small government, but you don't cut taxes and raise spending, which George W. has been doing since the begining of taking office.
Right now I think our country really needs to invest in Health Care and Education, which requires some tax money I'm willing to pay for. **** man, that **** is getting ridiculous compared to other countries. Seriously, we should be ashamed. Un-privatise health insurance and make it national just seems obvious to me...The only people against this are the insurance companies themselves, and the idiots that believe them. Go figure. It's not perfect, but it sure as hell isn't apocolyptic like some of the chain letters are saying. What's next? Communism will take your babies away?
the right-wingers would rather go along with the dip**** GOP than actually research it and realize how much we NEED nationalized health care. These rich hummer-driving dickheads would rather use daddy's money than have to go to that hospital whar them colored folks go, who cares if it's free?!
On experience - Bush was in the National Guard, owned several oil exploration companies and served as Governor of Texas.
he had the experience, and was still a ****ty el presidente
I'm not as politically savvy as I want to be, so I was wondering if someone could help me out with some logic here.
At my white-collar job, I make a good amount of money working full time. The demands of the job are simple enough: in order to work full time the workers have to have open availability, only part time workers get to choose which days they work. The drawback? ONLY full time staff members get health insurance benefits, the the part time workers have to pay out of pocket if they so choose. Most of the part time staffers I know don't have insurance because they can't afford it with going to school.
I wish to be a student, but I can't sacrifice my health care. I also can't work around my schedule at work. I make too much for government aid, but I certainly don't make enough to pay out of my own pocket for insurance (I guess because of my age and gender and tendency to visit doctors for physicals and birth control, my premium is like $300-$380 every two months). So what the hell am I supposed to do?
THE CHICK IS ANTI-SEX EDUCATION, ANTI-ABORTION, PRO-CREATIONISM IN SCIENCE CLASS AND PRO GETTING MARRIED BECAUSE YOU'RE PREGNANT. FOR WACKO'S SAKE GUYS, DO SOMETHING.
HALF OF THE UNITED STATES WANT HER AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
I hurt. :(
[quote=The X;880029]On experience - Bush was in the National Guard, owned several oil exploration companies and served as Governor of Texas.
he had the experience, and was still a ****ty el presidente
I'm going to respond to this as though you were serious:
WRONG. Bush had experience, but for all of those who had actually looked at his experience it was testimony for how unfit he is to lead. His service for the National Guard was a ****ing country club that just got trained how to use the jets, seeing absolutely no combat. His oil company fiasco hardly turned profits; So bad that his daddy had to change legislation to keep him afloat. His job as governor only benafited company interests, lowering taxes for all companies that moved there. What did he sacrifice for the tax cuts? Public Schools, replacing adequate funding with more standardized tests. Clearly, from Bush's Governor (aswell as presidential career) he's anti public schools, which is really sad considering the majority of public schools just need mroe funding, which is all Bush takes away.
Wow. I have to say this is the first time I totally agree with BJ, and for the most part, LoS. Bravo Random, at bringing us together through your own stupidity. I mean, christ that was dumb as hell. BETTER DOCTORS? Pull your head out of your ***, America didn't invent education moron.
Going back to that socialized medicine thing that a few people have touched on: yeah, you have to wait a bit longer than Americans do for everything from a cold to a transplant, but both and everything in between is free. I'd rather die waiting for a doctor than die knowing I was too poor to afford my medical bills.
[quote]As for the war I am for the war. I don't believe we invaded for the right reasons, or with the right amount of information. But it has become a very successful. So successful that most days there are more murders in LA due to violance than in Iraq due to terrorism. We have liberated 25 Million Iraqi's towards freedom and democracy.
hahahahaha, ha, aha, oho, ohohohoho
it took you only one paragraph to re-establish yourself as a retard. congrats.
[quote=Shade;880223]hahahahaha, ha, aha, oho, ohohohohoand i thought my jokes were bad
Didn't america bomb the **** out of dozens of civilians? Yeah, LA is much safer.
Doesn't help when more Canadians come back dead by American hands than Iraq it seems.
nice catch good sir
oh look a quote i didn't see before
[quote]Yeah but if we don't fix the world who will? The UN obviously doesn't do much. Hell they let Israel pretty much get bum ****ed, not to mentio there is real aid needed in Africa but instead they are laundering money to crooks and shmucks.
Okay buddy, Bush has pretty much *******ed us into a hole for eight years and has been pretty terrible to the rest of the world as well. I say the UN trump up some justification to invade America, wage war across the country, arrest Bush, and then hang him for crimes against humanity.
[quote=Random]Obama plans to tax primarily the rich to give to the poor. Ah the classic Robin Hood story. Excellent excellent story. Only one problem. Why over tax and punish those who were willing to become rich and drive our economy? Why tax those who help grow the economy and give to the poor?
This argument demonstrates a lack of understanding of American business and economic principles.
Those "willing to become rich" owe a lot to government for their success. Petroleum companies get billions of taxpayer dollars from the US government. Mining companies can lay claim and purchase public lands a microfraction of the value of the minerals that they intend to extract. Agriculture is highly subsidized in the US and tariffs are placed on foreign agriculture to prevent competition. Ethanol is subsidized and mandated to be mixed with gasoline in order to make it commercially viable. Local governments offer incentives and subsidies to companies that move into their area.
Not to mention, companies take advantage of many things paid for by the tax paying public. Municipal water infrastructure, road and highway networks, law enforcement, the patent office, and copyright protection. They also get favorable treatment in legislation, through things like the NAFTA trade agreement.
The people at the top gain from stuff you and I pay for. This is why they ought to pay more, or a fair share, for them. For your argument to actually make sense, businesses would make their own roads to move goods if they were so willing to become rich. They'd make their own water infrastructure, they'd pay fair value for public lands where oil, natural gas, and mineral deposits are found. Agribusiness would have to compete with the world grain and food markets. Ethanol producers would have to make their business viable themselves.
Lower and middle class citizens are the people that make it possible for the people at the top to be wealthy. They drive the economy because they are the consumers. They drive the economy because they are the suppliers of labor. They drive the economy because they provide the infrastructure. They deserve the biggest tax cuts. We've had over 2 decades of very low taxes for the richest 5% of Americans and businesses, because Regan foolishly thought that tax breaks at the top would lead to more investment in America and that the benefits would trickle down. Well, the poor are now poorer, the rich, richer, and American companies ship hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas. That's Reganomics for you, Random. Nothing has trickled down. The rich pocketed the cash and moved jobs to India, China, Taiwan, etc.
And in a more fundamental way, taxes are necessary and must come from somewhere. Everyone has to pay their fair share in order to keep this country operating. This means the rich need to pay what they owe society, and the poor and middle classes should have some of the burden relieved.
I know what you're actually talking about is "welfare queens". I've never seen proof in my life that such a thing actually exists. As far as the neocon whining about "income redistribution", that argument is ****ing stupid because they get part of my income in the form of subsidies, public goods, etc.
As far as energy goes, we could drill up all of our oil and still be getting 60% from overseas. Drilling isn't a short term solution, because it takes too long to get the infrastructure in, and it's not a long term solution because we have, with the most optimistic estimates, 5% of the world oil reserves. We use 25% of the world’s oil. Simple math, drilling isn't the solution, and in a practical sense, not a significant part of the equation.
It should also be noted that there are currently tens of thousands of permits held by oil companies that aren't being exploited. You read right, they could drill, but they instead choose not to. Why? Because it bolsters their books and inflates stock value to hold onto the permits as assets. And they're making tidy profits with the current through-the-roof prices, so why would they want to drill more to theoretically lower prices? They wouldn't! If you think they want to lower prices when they have no incentive to do so whatsoever, you don't understand business at all. The "bottom line" clich
How often do you get to vote a MILF into office?
I think she's pretty unattractive if you ask me. But everyone else seems to disagree.
Nothing MILFy about her. She reminds me of that new Nintendo PR woman.
Oh ****, she does. She just got way disgusting.
****ING CASUAL VOTERS
Perrin Kaplan was a good looking lady.
ah, speedfreak
i knew the word 'nintendo' would attract you here
2nd post on this page, moron.
[quote=Random;879744]So successful that most days there are more murders in LA due to violance than in Iraq due to terrorism.
And this is good?
****ing ridiculous.
Wanna have peace in the country? Nah, let's kill all those murdering sand******s instead.
I hope you do realize how void your statement is, not to mention idiotic.
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Lower and middle class citizens are the people that make it possible for the people at the top to be wealthy. They drive the economy because they are the consumers. They drive the economy because they are the suppliers of labor. They drive the economy because they provide the infrastructure. They deserve the biggest tax cuts. We've had over 2 decades of very low taxes for the richest 5% of Americans and businesses, because Regan foolishly thought that tax breaks at the top would lead to more investment in America and that the benefits would trickle down. Well, the poor are now poorer, the rich, richer, and American companies ship hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas. That's Reganomics for you, Random. Nothing has trickled down. The rich pocketed the cash and moved jobs to India, China, Taiwan, etc.
This is the much evolved version of what I said earlier.
BUT THEN I SAW THIS!!!
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See, Mis0, you're for mondela390bonics, which is badder than regaonmonics.
Go for it.
ya know, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but right now, there are other issues more important than creationalism, abortion, evolution, or her daughter's ****ing marriage
Obama and McCain are neck and neck now in polls. EXCITING!
Hey guess what, there's an election for the Prime Minister of Canada right now. Let's discuss who's more suited for the job.
i bet $5 canadian that they're both centre-left boring guys
unlike mccain the pain train
[quote=oswaldothelegend;881748]I'm pretty sure Obama will win due to the teenage vote, anyone whos anyone is voting for Obama, cuz he's black, thats was up.teenagers dont vote
old people vote, and old people love mccain
They are voting this year TRUST ME.
I'm votan too. :)
so, why are voting for obama
I really dont care who is president, but I'd rather have Obama elected because he's black.
oh **** you
i dont even live in america and i want you deported
You're the reason why we should need to take a mandatory IQ test before being able to vote.
McCain voted with the president 90% of the time. That should be enough reason for anyone to vote for Obama.
**** that bro. He's hip and black. All I need.
hahaha holy **** that is too good
LOVE canada
WELL IT'S TOO F[COLOR=LIGHTGREEN]U[/COLOR]CKING LATE. SOME RETARD WANTS CREATIONISM TAUGHT IN SCIENCE CLASS OVER HERE TOO. GOOD GOING, GUYS.
Wait, who? Cameron smokes pot, so he's pretty much confirmed for atheist.
When I was in school it was very simple. Evolution in science, g[COLOR="White"]o[/COLOR]d babies in religion. Problem solved.
yeah, same
although our religion teacher tried to say that evolution is a tool used by *** to create us
This is kind of off topic, but am I the only person that thinks Palin looks like a real estate agent?
Nope, I thought that too!
I dunno about the creationism thing, I read it in Metro and apparantly there was a larger article in The Times.
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Pipeline, Iraq war = tasks from god
WHAT ABOUT THE BRIDGE
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That's what they're saying about the bridge. Liars.
Ah Christ we're fucked.
Prediction.
McCain dies after a year or two, Palin assumes presidency, everyone admires first female president until she ruins the world.
does seem to be the likely outcome. mccain shows signs of dementia in almost every non-scripted interview.
THATCHER: THE SECOND COMING
Thatcher was good in some ways (I'm totally bluffing, I don't know really). Palin is terrifyingly stupid.
She seems like one of those ladies that whenever a group project turns up she'll premote herself to group leader, and when the project fails she lets every person know exactly how they ****ed it up for her. Anyone else getting that "I need to lead regardless to how unable I am to lead" vibes from Palin?
And McCain is just a joke...
Really, it feels like it's Palin vs. Obama now, McCain's just okaying the ads.
Personally, I'd take Hilary a thousand times over again before electing a joke like Palin. Goes to show anyone can run for president, especially if you're pretty and incompetent in a cute way!
Really now, at least with Hil she was just the worst of the best 2 available. I have no problem with a woman president, but electing a nobody PTA ***** from a nobody town in a nobody state is nothing but self-destructive for the United States.
The reason it's Palin vs Obama as of now is because the Republicans completely orchestrated the chips to fall this way. Palin is being marketed as an underdog who has endured countless supposed beatings from democrates, all stemming from her daughter, EVEN THOUGH Obama has made it perfectly clear that children should be off limits in the election. But no, the Red team has used this victom synergy to allow Palin immunity from answering any question dems may have for her because the media has supposedly destroyed her somehow, even though more coverage has been about her struggle of the media than the media actually saying a ****ing thing...Good play Red Team. As long as the McCain group can keep the media talking about Palin being scrutinized by ..well, themselves.. the more people will feel sorry for her and think that actually makes a ****ing difference.
EECK, I hate politics.
You make a lot of sense. I hate that v-pilf!
If she can't handle scrutiny and cheap shots then I think it's pretty clear she's not ready to lead. At least we've never seen Bush cry on TV, whereas I can guarantee we will for Palin.
Too bad there's a bunch of sexiest women that think any woman can lead this country better than a man, and think getting a woman as VP will be a big step for women's equal rights, even though Palin has promoted several steriotypes of women since running for office with words like HockeyMom, and other sex based roled classifications.
It's really not a matter of gender as far as I'm concerned. Too many people seem to think that the presidency of the United States is the only opportunity a female will ever receive to be in a position of power, as if monarchies and female prime ministers have never existed, let alone governors, senators, and supreme court justices. It's not a matter or whether women can lead, but if we're going to elect one who can't in order to enforce values, norms, and inspiration.
Women obviously have the capability to lead just like any man, but just not all women, aswell as not all men, are capable. That's what a lot of idiot ex-hillary supporters seem to not understand. LET's GET A VAGINA IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!...
our future
aaaand the truth comes to light
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holy crap, i thought that was the REAL palin for a second there
awesome likeness
Alarmingly enough, Tina Fey's parody of Palin isn't really inaccurate.
Well yeah, considering they were probably separated at birth.