Iron Man




Posted by Fate

...Pretty much rocks. The movie was awesome.




Posted by David M. Awesome

...You already saw it?

Well, Linko and I are probably going to see it this weekend, since it does look pretty bad ***. I forget which day we were talking about doing it, though. =/




Posted by Fate

There's this comic shop that me and my boyfriend are a part of that had an exclusive screening.

Also, stick around until the credits are done rolling. You will probably die if you knew what it was about.




Posted by David M. Awesome

Ooo, thanks for the tip. :D




Posted by S

Awesome movie. Totally worth going to see. DO IT.




Posted by Mystic Hero

****ing 10/10 for that movie. Just got back from seeing it. I won't spoil it for anyone. All I can tell you is to go see it. NOW! :cool:




Posted by David M. Awesome

Two hours until I get to see it now. :cool2:




Posted by David M. Awesome

I saw it, and it was good. Probably the best super hero movie evar, but that's not saying very much.

Everyone should watch it, in any case.




Posted by Dr. Rockso

Fire Supression System wins Best Supporting Actor of the Year




Posted by WillisGreeny

lol remember when Shaq was still doing movies?

This is much better.




Posted by Old_Snake

Guess I'll go with the majority in saying this was quite an awesome movie.




Posted by Roger Smith

Jesus, I just got back from the theater. Iron Man is the ****ing ****, I had to control myself so I wouldn't pull my cock out and start fapping.




Posted by Breakman

this movie is delicious

between transformers last year, iron man now and wall-e later, awesome robots (and robot suits) are a really 'in' thing
and i like it

i REEEEEEEEALLY can't wait for the sequel; seeing as the worst thing by far (still an awesome movie of course) about iron man is all the storyline and silly non-hero parts and super-slowly-working-out-all-the-kinks scenes in which he inevitably screws up hilariously

the stuff like when he first puts on the mach 3 and kicks *** is the kind of stuff i want the second film to be all about




Posted by Bebop

Seeing it tonight on digital hopefully. Looks fun.




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

Awesome movie. Though lol'd and **** my pants at Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury. Avengers movie confirmed as Iron Man 2? More or less.




Posted by Old_Snake


Quoting Vampiro V. Empire: Awesome movie. Though lol'd and **** my pants at Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury. Avengers movie confirmed as Iron Man 2? More or less.


Yeah, I recently read that Iron Man 2 is confirmed for 2010 and Avengers in 2011.



Posted by Tyler Durden

[quote=Vampiro V. Empire;845007]lol'd and **** my pants at Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury..


Hopefully he'll leave his 'Basic' routine at the door..


Oh, and-
(Captain America and) The Avengers flick is more than likely slated to be "Iron Man 3". Officially as per director.

But we do get to see RDJr cameo his role in The Incredible Hulk, as Stark.




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire


Quoted post: (Captain America and) The Avengers flick is more than likely slated to be "Iron Man 3". Officially as per director.


Oh, okay. That actually makes a lot of sense. Cool.



Posted by Roger Smith

WE GOT SOME MOTHER****ING AVENGERS, IN THIS MOTHER****ING TOWER.




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

nah




Posted by Roger Smith

In any case, I can't wait to see all the armors on the big screen.

Do want some Hulkbuster.




Posted by Tyler Durden

[quote=Vampiro V. Empire;845053]Oh, okay. That actually makes a lot of sense. Cool.
Exactly..

[quote]The director (Jon Favreau) considers The Avengers as the third film; "It's very difficult to keep these franchises from running out of gas after two [movies]. The high point seems to be the second one, judging by history: If you just look at the consensus in the reviews, you see that X-Men 2 and Spider-Man 2 are sort of seen by the fans as the sort of high point of both franchises, though I don't necessarily agree with that. But to be able to fold it into an Avengers is something you just couldn't do in another studio, and I think what Marvel is about is stuff you can't do at a bigger studio."




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

So Iron Man 2, Avengers and then Avengers 2 and 3? Do want.




Posted by Tyler Durden

[quote=Vampiro V. Empire;845065]So Iron Man 2, Avengers and then Avengers 2 and 3? Do want.

Word-

Aslong as they don't cameo Matt Salinger in the new Captian America film, I'll watch it.

Anywho-
Who else ****ed themselves when Tony Stark mistook Stan Lee for Hugh Hefner?
Best Stan Lee placement ever..


To add:
[quote]
Jon Favreau planned Iron Man as the first in a trilogy, and has signed on all the original actors.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_%28film%29#cite_note-trilogy-9"][COLOR=#0000ff][10][/COLOR][/URL] The day following the first film's highly successful opening weekend, Marvel Entertainment announced a release date of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_30"][COLOR=#0000ff]April 30[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010"][COLOR=#0000ff]2010[/COLOR][/URL], for Iron Man 2.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_%28film%29#cite_note-83"][COLOR=#0000ff][84][/COLOR][/URL] Favreau feels depicting Iron Man's nemesis, the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_%28comics%29"][COLOR=#0000ff]Mandarin[/COLOR][/URL], who was created as a metaphor for [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism"][COLOR=#0000ff]communism[/COLOR][/URL], will be challenging, as he finds the character dated.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_%28film%29#cite_note-fire-4"][COLOR=#0000ff][5][/COLOR][/URL] He also wants to streamline the effort it takes for Stark to put on his armor, considering the "[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_line"][COLOR=#0000ff]assembly line[/COLOR][/URL]" effort he makes in the first film.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_%28film%29#cite_note-assembly-52"][COLOR=#0000ff][53][/COLOR][/URL] Terrence Howard said he would like to follow the slow arc of the comics with Rhodes temporarily becoming Iron Man while Stark succumbs to alcohol, joking, "I don't want to introduce [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Machine"][COLOR=#810081]War Machine[/COLOR][/URL] too early for my own monetary benefit."[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_%28film%29#cite_note-84"][COLOR=#0000ff][85][/COLOR][/URL]

Favreau believes the sequel will allow a latitude in tone,[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_%28film%29#cite_note-fire-4"][COLOR=#0000ff][5][/COLOR][/URL] and explore darker story elements such as [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism"][COLOR=#0000ff]alcoholism[/COLOR][/URL], which he intentionally set aside from the first film.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_%28film%29#cite_note-unknown_im-2"][COLOR=#0000ff][3][/COLOR][/URL] Downey noted "the next one is about what do you do with the rest of your life once you've completely changed. [...] I think the drinking and all that stuff would be a good way to confront his age, to confront his doubts, to confront the fact that maybe Pepper gets a boyfriend." Downey and Favreau met with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Black"][COLOR=#0000ff]Shane Black[/COLOR][/URL], who suggested they model Stark on [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Oppenheimer"][COLOR=#0000ff]Robert Oppenheimer[/COLOR][/URL], who became depressed with being "the destroyer of worlds" after working on the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project"][COLOR=#0000ff]Manhattan Project[/COLOR][/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_%28film%29#cite_note-85"][COLOR=#0000ff][86][/COLOR][/URL]

Downey will make a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameo_appearance"][COLOR=#0000ff]cameo appearance[/COLOR][/URL] as Stark in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29"][COLOR=#0000ff]The Incredible Hulk[/COLOR][/URL],[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_%28film%29#cite_note-86"][COLOR=#0000ff][87][/COLOR][/URL] while Favreau has expressed interest in directing Downey as the character in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_%28comics%29#Film"][COLOR=#0000ff]The Avengers[/COLOR][/URL] (planned for 2011).

In addition, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Studios"][COLOR=#0000ff]Marvel Studios[/COLOR][/URL] is keen to have Norton reprise the role in an adaptation of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_%28comics%29#Film"][COLOR=#0000ff]The Avengers[/COLOR][/URL] (schedule for release in July 2011). [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_%28film%29"][COLOR=#810081]Iron Man[/COLOR][/URL] director [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Favreau"][COLOR=#810081]Jon Favreau[/COLOR][/URL] said "[Marvel is] pretty clear on wanting to do it with the actors who’ve established the roles or to not do it at all."[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29#cite_note-49"][COLOR=#0000ff][50][/COLOR][/URL] Leterrier would pit the Hulk against Iron Man because, "after being chased for so many years, [he] would lose it".


In August 2006, it was revealed by a stock market report that The Avengers was listed under Marvel films in development. It was later stated that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zak_Penn"][COLOR=#0000ff]Zak Penn[/COLOR][/URL], writer of the scripts for [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X2_%28film%29"][COLOR=#0000ff]X2[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men:_The_Last_Stand"][COLOR=#0000ff]X-Men: The Last Stand[/COLOR][/URL], and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektra_%282005_film%29"][COLOR=#0000ff]Elektra[/COLOR][/URL] was to write the movie's script.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_%28comics%29#cite_note-24"][COLOR=#0000ff][25][/COLOR][/URL]
Iron Man director [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Favreau"][COLOR=#810081]Jon Favreau[/COLOR][/URL] said he would like to direct a film adaptation of The Avengers. This would be a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_crossover"][COLOR=#0000ff]crossover[/COLOR][/URL] to fictional universes in other upcoming Marvel films such as [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29"][COLOR=#810081]The Incredible Hulk[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_%28Marvel_Comics%29#Film"][COLOR=#0000ff]Thor[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America_in_other_media#future_film"][COLOR=#0000ff]Captain America[/COLOR][/URL]. He also explained that Marvel has told him that "they're pretty clear on wanting to do it with the actors who’ve established the roles or to not do it at all." He continued, "I think it’s a good idea if you use the characters established in the other franchises that then come together for an event." [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_%28comics%29#cite_note-25"][COLOR=#0000ff][26][/COLOR][/URL]
In a report to shareholders on [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_5"][COLOR=#0000ff]May 5[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008"][COLOR=#0000ff]2008[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Entertainment"][COLOR=#0000ff]Marvel Entertainment[/COLOR][/URL] announced the release dates for two planned Avenger movies. The First Avenger: Captain America (working title) is schedule for [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_6"][COLOR=#0000ff]May 6[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011"][COLOR=#0000ff]2011[/COLOR][/URL], followed by the The Avengers, which is scheduled for July 2011.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_%28comics%29#cite_note-26"][COLOR=#0000ff][27][/COLOR][/URL]
The first reference to the Avengers is in the 2008 film [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_%28film%29"][COLOR=#810081]Iron Man[/COLOR][/URL], when the Ultimate version of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fury"][COLOR=#0000ff]Nick Fury[/COLOR][/URL] (played by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_L._Jackson"][COLOR=#0000ff]Samuel L. Jackson[/COLOR][/URL]) appears in a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_credits_scene"][COLOR=#0000ff]post credits scene[/COLOR][/URL] and speaks with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man"][COLOR=#0000ff]Tony Stark[/COLOR][/URL] about the "Avenger Initiative."




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire


Quoted post: Anywho-
Who else ****ed themselves when Tony Stark mistook Stan Lee for Hugh Hefner?
Best Stan Lee placement ever..


yeah, I saw stan lee in the credits and my friends and I were like "wait, what?!" cause usually he says some stupid ****ty line but he didn't that time. Then it dawned on us that it was Hef. Awesome.



Posted by Tyler Durden

[quote=Vampiro V. Empire;845127]yeah, I saw stan lee in the credits and my friends and I were like "wait, what?!" cause usually he says some stupid ****ty line but he didn't that time. Then it dawned on us that it was Hef. Awesome.

Yeah, I was stunned by it actually-
at first, but then I realised right then and there that it was Marvel's oldest play boy.




Posted by Bebop

It was good fun. Probably one of the better Superhero movies but then again the only other contenders are Nolan Batman and the first 2 Spidermans. Just wish Iron Mongler was in it more. He was badass.




Posted by Fate

Not really. He was just one of the first villains and had to be put in because the Mandarin story is too "unrealistic" for being the first movie. They also reserved the alcoholism and War Machine for the second, too, to build relevancy and care. The mention of the Avengers at the end of the movie reveals big plans for the future, including a Thor and Captain America movie.

USAToday has this from Marvel:
Iron Man 2 - April 30, 2010.
Thor - June 4, 2010.
The First Avenger: Captain America - May 6, 2011.
The Avengers - July 2011.
Ant-Man - No Release Date.




Posted by Bebop

Bridges stomped *** Fate. Stop pretending he didnt.




Posted by Skitzo Control

I wish for a different actor for Tony Stark/Iron Man.:(

Sorry, I really like Robert Downey Jr., but if you've seen almost any of his other movies, he's the same guy. A prime example would be to check out Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang. The character's dialogue is so similar it's disturbing.

*edit* it looks as if Tony Stark will be making an appearance in the new Incredible Hulk movie, according to IMDB.




Posted by Bebop

I agree actually. I love Downey, although I wouldnt agree with him being the same in every film (A Scanner Darkly is a good example if you cna stomach the film). I'm just not entirely sold on him being Stark just yet.




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire


Quoted post: Ant-Man - No Release Date.


No thanks. Thor, **** yes. Antman? lol


Quoted post: Sorry, I really like Robert Downey Jr., but if you've seen almost any of his other movies, he's the same guy.


You say that like it's a bad thing. Though you may be right, he fit perfectly in my opinion.



Posted by Fate

He fit just fine. Only thing I would change is his height with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. And maybe give him shorter hair.




Posted by Slade

Saw it last night. It was a lot of fun, but the only thing that was kind of irksome were all those lines Obadiah had while he was beating up Stark. They all were just the typical villain stuff. But then again, I can see how they're kind of necessary, too.

Not so pumped about The Incredible Hulk, but a good Stark appearance might drag me to the theaters.

Speaking as someone who isn't really qualified to gauge the movie's adaption from the comics, I thought Robert Downey Jr. was perfectly believable in both the tycoon and hero sides of his character.




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire


Quoted post: were all those lines Obadiah had while he was beating up Stark. They all were just the typical villain stuff.


hello comic books



Posted by Slade

I know, but still... I'm gonna complain about it.




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

cause you're fat and wouldn't understand




Posted by Slade

I'M NOT FAT. Jeez, that was like 6th grade, okay?! I'VE CHANGED!


I get how it's a comic book thang, and how it's the classic villain fare. I think I just wanted more out of his character moments before he died. He was just like "your father blah blah, blah blah kill you" and then he died. But I can't really think of anything better he could have said, so I'll just sit here. and be fat and not understand




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

Well, I know what you're saying. Before he was a character that had some decent depth. Then suddenly he goes villain and bam, he's completely 2D. A little lame, but more awesome than lame in the sense that my comicbook-fatty inside me was quite content.




Posted by Burn

Checking this out tomorrow night... Not a huge Iron Man fan, but from the reviews it's gotten it should be awesome




Posted by BLUNTMASTER X

[quote=Slade;845406] all those lines Obadiah had while he was beating up Stark. They all were just the typical villain stuff. But then again, I can see how they're kind of necessary, too.YOU TOOK OUT MY TARGETING, STARK!

Finally saw it tonight. The whole thing was a huge cocktease for things to come, which I'm alright with. War Machine, SHIELD, the alcoholism, the Avengers... Probably Mandarin? But I just wanted more Iron Man action. They really ought to have had more than just the TERRORIST BEATDOWN scene and then the final fight. A lot of the film was made up of footage of Tony just fiddling with electronics and machinery.

About the finale - it was kinda disappointing that the fight with Iron Monger had Tony in a state of reduced power. Although some of the shots and dialogue were ripped right from the Extremis arc, which was awesome. I guess I just wanted a more devastating Uni-Beam. Or just a bypass of the Obidiah plotline and have Tony go back to Afghanistan and fight a terrorist army.




Posted by Lord of Spam

Unfortunately, I neglected to stay after the credits, as I did not know tha tthere was anything extra. Anyone care to spoil it for me?




Posted by Roger Smith

Tony comes home after the big I AM IRON MAN conference, and he finds Nick Fury waiting for him. He then proceeds to say I'd like to talk to you about the Avenger Initiative.




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire


Quoted post: Unfortunately, I neglected to stay after the credits, as I did not know tha tthere was anything extra. Anyone care to spoil it for me?


Nick Fury is Samuel L. Jackson also.


Quoted post: Finally saw it tonight. The whole thing was a huge cocktease for things to come, which I'm alright with. War Machine, SHIELD, the alcoholism, the Avengers... Probably Mandarin? But I just wanted more Iron Man action. They really ought to have had more than just the TERRORIST BEATDOWN scene and then the final fight. A lot of the film was made up of footage of Tony just fiddling with electronics and machinery.

About the finale - it was kinda disappointing that the fight with Iron Monger had Tony in a state of reduced power. Although some of the shots and dialogue were ripped right from the Extremis arc, which was awesome. I guess I just wanted a more devastating Uni-Beam. Or just a bypass of the Obidiah plotline and have Tony go back to Afghanistan and fight a terrorist army.


That was how I initially felt right after. But the **** after the credits made me feel a lot better about all of it. Plus, it reminded me of Batman Begins. A bit more grounded in reality and less about ACTION **** YEAH like a couple other super hero movies. It was actually about the guy behind the suit, rather than the hero itself. Which is really what I wanted in the first movie of a series.



Posted by Tyler Durden

Anywho-

Who bol'd at the part where Tony tried to fire off a repulsar, totally forgetting that he'd removed his glove?


So I'm sitting here watching Goodfellas-
totally overlooked the fact the Jackson was in that film, too.




Posted by Bebop


Quoting Tyler Durden:
Who bol'd at the part where Tony tried to fire off a repulsar, totally forgetting that he'd removed his glove?


Not me because I have a good sense of humour.

Only rel problem with this film was that there wasn't that great feeling of good vs evil. Sure Monger was defeated, and Iron Man victorious but that's as exciting as the feeling got.



Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

Eh, didn't really seem like that was the point. Plus, the ultimate victory of good over evil was Stark cutting out the weapons programme after what he saw it did to his own people.




Posted by Bebop

All I'm saying is that the payoff for good vs evil wasn't as awesome as it should have been, whatever that evil or good came in the shape of. Made it feel a bit stale in that respect.




Posted by BLUNTMASTER X

[quote=Bebop;846165]All I'm saying is that the payoff for good vs evil wasn't as awesome as it should have been, whatever that evil or good came in the shape of. Made it feel a bit stale in that respect.
A superhero movie that wasn't about good vs evil... Is stale?




Posted by Fate

Bebop doesn't appear to read comic books. If he did, I'm sure he would understand that the Iron Man movie couldn't have outlandish characters just yet.

See: all that drama in Secret Invasion isn't because the Skrulls are attacking, it's because of character trust breaking. It's not about good vs. evil anymore.




Posted by Bebop


Quoting The X: A superhero movie that wasn't about good vs evil... Is stale?


Then what was it about?

It was about good vs evil without question (it's a superhero film). Don't get me wrong I loved the film but it's clear it was supposed to be a stepping stone towards the future franchise and not an omg best superhero film ever. But still I never got the warm fuzzy feeling when Monger was defeated. Even without comparing it to other films I left the theatre not feeling it could have been better in that regard. No matter what way you approach a comic book into film it still falls principle to the "good triumophed blah blah blah". He was introuduced too late I think (I've already expressed how I wish Monger was implemented more just on the basis he was awesome) but I feel the best summing up to my thoughts was in a review which stated "the franchise was born, but not the hero". I understand they couldn't implement the main villains characters just yet but as an audience to the FILM it is irrelevant whether I read the comics or not. Remember that they are 2 different mediums. It's not about who they had as the villain but the execution. I was never stimulated more or less from my seat during that scene than in the entre duration of the film, which I should have been. Dur dur it was the climax afterall.



Posted by TimeSkipz

Iron Man 2 comes 2010 with War Machine filling in for Iron Man. The Avengers comes 2011(year before the world ends) and a seperate Captain America is coming out around that time as well. Another Hulk movie is coming out as well with Stark making a cameo :).

Anyone think Iron Monger was too bulky? I thought he would fall from the sky his rocket flight system was crap, he must have weighed 15000 Pounds




Posted by Fate

Just trust the comic book readers when they say that if there were to be an actual supervillian in the very first Iron Man movie like there was in Spider-Man, the "reality" of the whole terrorist thing would be seriously underplayed and just seem silly in comparison to extraterrestrial world-eaters and shape-shifters. They're all in the same universe, you know. As just a viewer of a film, you essentially witnessed the making of a superhero, not a superhero with established villians with established morals on the subject of saving the world from destruction. Most people wouldn't be so excited to take on magicians when they just became familiar with their own abilities.




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire


Quoted post: Anyone think Iron Monger was too bulky? I thought he would fall from the sky his rocket flight system was crap, he must have weighed 15000 Pounds


No. And that was the point. Iron Man was about speed and finesse. Iron Monger was pure power.



Posted by TimeSkipz

[quote=Vampiro V. Empire;846269]No. And that was the point. Iron Man was about speed and finesse. Iron Monger was pure power.

I can see him being double the size of Iron Man but he was about 4 times the size and could somehow fly to the freezing point with his rocket powered flight opposed to Iron Mans propulsors




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire


Quoted post: with his rocket powered flight


Rocket. Very good. You do realise rockets, or space shuttles, that weigh hundreds of thousands of tons reach all the way up to space, right? If Monger was using a similar system, based on pure thrust and power, he should've reached said point fairly easily. And surprise, he did.

not that complicated.



Posted by TimeSkipz

[quote=Vampiro V. Empire;846286]Rocket. Very good. You do realise rockets, or space shuttles, that weigh hundreds of thousands of tons reach all the way up to space, right? If Monger was using a similar system, based on pure thrust and power, he should've reached said point fairly easily. And surprise, he did.

not that complicated.

1. He does not have a perfect model, nothing like a space shuttle
2. He caught up to Iron Man who was using propulsars and weighs a hell of a lot less




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire


Quoted post: 1. He does not have a perfect model, nothing like a space shuttle


drr, that's why he nearly fell to his death


Quoted post: 2. He caught up to Iron Man who was using propulsars and weighs a hell of a lot less


did you even watch the ****ing movie? Iron Man was at, like, 14% power if not lower by that point. Pay attention next time.



Posted by TimeSkipz

[quote=Vampiro V. Empire;846293]drr, that's why he nearly fell to his death



did you even watch the ****ing movie? Iron Man was at, like, 14% power if not lower by that point. Pay attention next time.

1. Space shuttles use their model for speed! the shape has nothing to do with the freezing point

2. If YOU didn't notice is that he kicked all he had left to reach the freezing point




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire


Quoted post: 1. Space shuttles use their model for speed! the shape has nothing to do with the freezing point


You're stupid.


Quoted post: 2. If YOU didn't notice is that he kicked all he had left to reach the freezing point


You're really stupid. He used his old reactor which, upon insertion into his chest, was already at under 20% power. Iron Mongers massive amounts of thrust and power combined with Iron Man's horribly crippled power supply = Iron Monger easily catching up with Iron Man

man, I'm going to ban you in a second between this thread and the wrestling thread.



Posted by BLUNTMASTER X

I really wanted the final battle to have Tony totally mastering the Iron Man suit and kicking ***, rather than him having to cope with ****ty power levels.




Posted by Bebop


Quoting Fate: Just trust the comic book readers when they say that if there were to be an actual supervillian in the very first Iron Man movie like there was in Spider-Man, the "reality" of the whole terrorist thing would be seriously underplayed and just seem silly in comparison to extraterrestrial world-eaters and shape-shifters. They're all in the same universe, you know. As just a viewer of a film, you essentially witnessed the making of a superhero, not a superhero with established villians with established morals on the subject of saving the world from destruction. Most people wouldn't be so excited to take on magicians when they just became familiar with their own abilities.


It's got nothing to do with who the supervillain or villain is. Seriously where are you getting this from?

It's about when the hero wins, the feeling wasn't as good as it should have been. Whatever shape the evil took it is meaningless. I'm talking about the defeat you know?



Posted by Bebop


Quoting The X: I really wanted the final battle to have Tony totally mastering the Iron Man suit and kicking ***, rather than him having to cope with ****ty power levels.


I know what you mean, having Iron Man at full power would have been sweet. But also a short lived fight. Can't wait for the sequel.



Posted by S


Quoting Bebop: It's got nothing to do with who the supervillain or villain is. Seriously where are you getting this from?

It's about when the hero wins, the feeling wasn't as good as it should have been. Whatever shape the evil took it is meaningless. I'm talking about the defeat you know?


She's saying that supervillains are more likely to inherently represent the epitome of evil than the lesser villains. And if they were to introduce a supervillain, who would fit the "Evil" category, they'd tarnish the believability of "Wow, this could actually happen!" So maybe they just saw it as a double-edged sword, no matter which they chose it'd have affected something in a negative way, albeit benefiting the other aspect.

I understand what you're saying Bebop, that maybe there was a way around tarnishing either aspect, but it's possible that either A: They couldn't think of one or B: The writers simply didn't want that to be represented.

I personally would've gone with the believability myself, as well. Iron Man is just one of those heroes that you can do that with, at least early on. The next movie can throw believability out the window if they want, but it seems that maybe that's their aim. Batman seems to be taking the same route, and looking mighty successful at that.




Posted by WillisGreeny

I've always thought that Iron Man's "interesting" hero qualities had a lot to do with him having the fortune and know how to be a great arms dealer and evil business tycoon, but choosing to do the right thing instead...sortof. Stark has a lot of qualities that are similar to Super Man villian Lex Luther, but chooses, through certain circumstances, to be a good guy. That's what's interesting about him; being a villain-like character who's a good guy. This can also explain why the directors didn't make a clear distinction between good vs evil in the movie, since that would have deflated Stark's role from the comics.

Anyways,
My favorite parts of comics and movies have always been the contrary-to-actual-physics reasons for why things work in that particular universe. The "Flux-Capacitor" is still the best.




Posted by Bebop

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Posted by Roger Smith


Quoting Bebop: because it never really felt there was a force that needed stopping in the first place.


Yeah, a guy who's mostly in charge of the biggest weapon manufacturer in the world who's also in a giant suit of death isn't worth stopping.



Posted by Bebop


Quoting Roger Smith: Yeah, a guy who's mostly in charge of the biggest weapon manufacturer in the world who's also in a giant suit of death isn't worth stopping.


I never said there wasn't a force that needed stopping. I said it didnt feel as if there was. There is a difference.



Posted by WillisGreeny

How does Fate and Sol not understand what you're talking about? You had a problem with Iron Man's climax, saying the director's execution of the highest point of tension in the movie wasn't satisfying. You've also said the force Iron man had to stop didn't feel like it had a great pay off, which it SHOULDN'T. If the director's had shown a more powerful villain, that could have been one remedy to a better climax; others are: racing the clock, weakened hero, or moral dillemna. Most often, comics have a combination of all four.

Words like "should have done" is where I have a problem. I don't think they did a perfect job, considering perfection is impossible, just that the criticisms being presented by a person who hasn't read the comics is a bit...well...just don't do that. If you didn't find the movie satisfying, then maybe the movie wasn't meant for you.




Posted by Roger Smith


Quoting Bebop: I never said there wasn't a force that needed stopping. I said it didnt feel as if there was. There is a difference.


How can you not feel it needs stopping?

It either needs to be stopped or is allowed to rampage through a city.



Posted by Bebop


Quoting WillisGreeny: How does Fate and Sol not understand what you're talking about?

Becuase they think the anti-climax stems from the choice of villain, real or not, when it's not about that.

[quote] You had a problem with Iron Man's climax, saying the director's execution of the highest point of tension in the movie wasn't satisfying.

Correct. Not as satisfying as it could have been. What was supposed to be the peak of the story didn't feel like it.

[quote]You've also said the force Iron man had to stop didn't feel like it had a great pay off, which it SHOULDN'T.

It should have had a great pay off to be a good climax. Lol what?

[quote]If the director's had shown a more powerful villain, that could have been one remedy to a better climax; others are: racing the clock, weakened hero, or moral dillemna. Most often, comics have a combination of all four. [/quute]

That is true. And this was used in the film.

[quote]Words like "should have done" is where I have a problem. I don't think they did a perfect job, considering perfection is impossible, just that the criticisms being presented by a person who hasn't read the comics is a bit...well...just don't do that. If you didn't find the movie satisfying, then maybe the movie wasn't meant for you.


Reading the comics is irrelevant to the point I'm making. A climax in a film is different to a climax in a comic. Just because it's based on source material doesn't suddenly remedy it any cinematic flaws.

Although the filmmakers used mostly everything they needed to to have a good climax it still wasn't as awsome as it should have been.

A film can have everything it technically needs to be impressive (Pearl harbour used Titantics winning formula but bombed both critically and commercially) but the beauty of film making is the end result on that screen. An example is horror. Technically what you need to make something scary is to, well, think of scary stuff. Ghosts are scary, so throw in some dark music, a few twists and turns and technically you've got a scary film. Guess what the ratio to scary horrors to naf horrors is though?

Sounds as if your argument is that the climax was good becuase it had all the ingrediants. I agree, it did have all the ingrediants. But when it comes to cake the only thing that matters is if it tastes awesome once it leaves the oven, not whether the eggs were free range or not.



Posted by Bebop

[QUOTE=Roger Smith;846438]How can you not feel it needs stopping?

See above post




Posted by S

Except, you know, the Villain of a story is usually (Not always.) the main driver of the climax. Significantly so in Iron Man, cause you know the climax itself was directly tied to the fight with the nemesis. It is not seclusive to, no. But I don't really see any other way around it, and like I said, the writers probably didn't either. Do YOU see something they could have done without ****ing up the canonical sense of the entire thing? Equally, without tarnishing the attempted realism?




Posted by Bebop

Villain wise I loved Monger (although perhaps Stane's involvment and motives were put in too late, rushed and not quite beleivable). They did what they had too: a big fight between hero and villain where after a big struggle hero win). I'm not disputing that. Like I said technically it's a good climax but in practice it's not, but not that I'm saying it's a boring ending. I think there's been some confusion there. It was neither a high or low point I felt. It could have happened anywhere in the film from the experience I felt but as a climax, as the ending of the film, it shouldnt feel that way

I would suggest a better approach to Stane. I didn't quite believe when in 10 minutes he decided to kill Stark, son of his best friend, and generally be a global dick. I can't even remember what his motive for conspiring to have Tony killed in the first place was come to think of it. Suddenly doing some deals under the table and now he's prepared to get the blood of innocents on his hands personally? That was the difference between Stark and himself. Stark saw the consiquences of his business whereas Stane left his feelings at the contract, but suddenly he was ready to cross the line and enjoy killing people himself? A contradiction of his character I felt.

His motives should have been ironed out better whether a bigger investigation from Pepper (I HATE it when the evil plans are located coniventally on the desktop, labelled 'evil plans') or more of his sneaky goings on, or more look into his morals. Same problem with Spiderman 3. Yeh Venom is sweet and everything, but I dont care about him because Eddie and Venom were so half assed in their development even though technically they aren't, and because of that I dont really feel the full force I should when he was blown up other than the superficial "sweet he exploded".




Posted by BLUNTMASTER X

I think what Bebop's trying to say is that Iron Monger doesn't have the buildup behind him to make the finale satisfying or exciting enough. In Spider-Man 2, Doctor Octopus rampaged through a hospital, robbed a bank, kidnapped May Parker, took a subway train hostage, kidnapped Mary Jane and then nearly destroyed the Manhattan docks before Spider-Man managed to take him down. All Iron Monger did was chase Iron Man and pick up a car. The Ten Rings would have made a better climax - they kidnapped Tony, destroyed a US convoy, killed Yusuf, and terrorized innocents. Finally seeing the Mandarin-like guy fall against Tony rather succumbing to a cheap trick from Obadiah would have given me a better feeling of **** YEAH.

edit: wow, good timing




Posted by Bebop

Iron Man dicking his kidnappers was more satisfing than the Monger fight because I had experienced them. There was a feeling to them because I had built a relationhip to them. Plus it was sweet when he blew up the tank.

Which gets me thinking, does Iron Man kill people in the comics? Because I'm quite sure he must have killed the ringers in his revenge rampage. A full powered Iron Man blasting suitless ragheads at point blank must have sent them to the grave if a weaker Iron Man got a few hits in on Monger.




Posted by S


Quoting Bebop: Villain wise I loved Monger (although perhaps Stane's involvment and motives were put in too late, rushed and not quite beleivable). They did what they had too: a big fight between hero and villain where after a big struggle hero win). I'm not disputing that. Like I said technically it's a good climax but in practice it's not, but not that I'm saying it's a boring ending. I think there's been some confusion there. It was neither a high or low point I felt. It could have happened anywhere in the film from the experience I felt but as a climax, as the ending of the film, it shouldnt feel that way

I would suggest a better approach to Stane. I didn't quite believe when in 10 minutes he decided to kill Stark, son of his best friend, and generally be a global dick. I can't even remember what his motive for conspiring to have Tony killed in the first place was come to think of it. Suddenly doing some deals under the table and now he's prepared to get the blood of innocents on his hands personally? That was the difference between Stark and himself. Stark saw the consiquences of his business whereas Stane left his feelings at the contract, but suddenly he was ready to cross the line and enjoy killing people himself? A contradiction of his character I felt.

His motives should have been ironed out better whether a bigger investigation from Pepper (I HATE it when the evil plans are located coniventally on the desktop, labelled 'evil plans') or more of his sneaky goings on, or more look into his morals. Same problem with Spiderman 3. Yeh Venom is sweet and everything, but I dont care about him because Eddie and Venom were so half assed in their development even though technically they aren't, and because of that I dont really feel the full force I should when he was blown up other than the superficial "sweet he exploded".


Much better articulation. Thank you. I personally agree on most fronts, I think his motives should've been looked into further. I wouldn't of have minded if the movie was a good thirty minutes longer because of it, either.



Posted by BLUNTMASTER X

[quote=Bebop;846458]Which gets me thinking, does Iron Man kill people in the comics? Because I'm quite sure he must have killed the ringers in his revenge rampage. A full powered Iron Man blasting suitless ragheads at point blank must have sent them to the grave if a weaker Iron Man got a few hits in on Monger.Via collateral damage, he probably has. For the most part, though, Iron Man just fights other supers. Or himself. Since roughly the Armor Wars, he's faced villains from his rogue's gallery a handful of times. He spends most of his time blasting non-registrants.

In the movie, he definitely killed people. It's alright, though. They were from Afghanistan! Untermensch!




Posted by Bebop

Are they going to have War Machine? Seeing as they are focusing on Stark's love for alchohol in the 2nd I'm thinking Rhodes will take the role of Iron Man, rather than become War Machine, where Stark will have to overcome his problem to save his best black buddy from the bad guy whoever that be.




Posted by BLUNTMASTER X

I wouldn't be surprised if alcoholism isn't made a major plot until 3.

In the comics, Rhodey was Iron Man for a looooong time (even during Secret Wars), and then became War Machine. I think it would just confused or irritate audiences to have him as the actual Iron Man in the movie.




Posted by Bebop

They could approach it like Spiderman 2. Where Parker loses his powers but Spiderman is still in it. Rhodes could wear the helmet for a brief time without it taking over Stark's presence.




Posted by WillisGreeny

[quote=Bebop;846443]

It should have had a great pay off to be a good climax. Lol what?



All honesty...I don't remember why I said that... :D




Posted by misogenie

With a gifted mind like Stark, I would make a giant-size 50 foot suit then make a machine to miniaturise the suit to normal size 6 foot. The suit density where there are no spaces between the bonding of metal molecules would reach indestructibility. The metallic suit cannot be crushed, melted, cut by laser or fractured by cold nitrogen.

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Posted by Vampiro V. Empire


Quoted post: I really wanted the final battle to have Tony totally mastering the Iron Man suit and kicking ***, rather than him having to cope with ****ty power levels.


Almost agreed. But it'd would've been over in seconds. NO CONTEST


Quoted post: All Iron Monger did was chase Iron Man and pick up a car. The Ten Rings would have made a better climax - they kidnapped Tony, destroyed a US convoy, killed Yusuf, and terrorized innocents. Finally seeing the Mandarin-like guy fall against Tony rather succumbing to a cheap trick from Obadiah would have given me a better feeling of **** YEAH.


What? Obediah was the reason Stark was kidnapped and held hostage for so long and he wanted him dead. If anything Iron Monger had a better buildup than some punks who held Stark in a cave for a few months. Not to mention Obediah was the reason all those people were getting killed and why Stark's cave buddy lost his family.



Posted by Tyler Durden

Sexxxxxxxy..no?

[IMG]http://bp1.blogger.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/SCer9samxtI/AAAAAAAADfE/f4-a_AUm_pQ/s1600/warMachine.jpg[/IMG]




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

No. Looks pretty gay.




Posted by BLUNTMASTER X

Uh, what?




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

Yeah, I couldn't see it either until I opened it in a new window and it asked me to download it which I didn't then I could see it. Think unpainted ironman with a gatling gun on his shoulder.




Posted by Tyler Durden

Well V, it's a shop'd image. Not even real, not even a teaser. Hopefully they'll make War Machine all badass and ****, kind of the way he rolled in the Force Works arc..




Posted by O.T.L

Comes out in DVD soon, **** yeah!




Posted by micheal123

I saw the trailor for it. Looks like it would be an AMAZING baked movie.yeeeeeehhhhhhh this is good movie.......




Posted by WillisGreeny

I haven't been this excited since the last time it was coming/came/gone from the big screen!




Posted by susain

I have watched this movie.Well Nice movie this one.I have Enjoyed this movie.I will give the point 10/10 to this movie............




Posted by O.T.L

Don Cheadle is replacing Terrence Howard. :angry: WHAT!

I loved Terrence in Iron man. Don looks a lot like the character in the comics, but Terrence is ****ing hot. I can't stand looking at Don. In Iron Man 2 Starks best friend gets to use War-machine. Nooo he's not cool enough to man one of those things.