If you like Dimmu Borgir you suck

I was talking to someone, and he was like, "These guys aer leik teh realz black metal, tehy define it!!!!"

I listened to it, and all I heard was commercial garbage.

Therefor, If you like Dimmu Borgir you suck.

yeah they suck the band Venom defined Black metal

The best black metal band is................................


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Venom didn't define black metal. They just gave it the name and had a little bit to do with what it sounded like.

I used to listen to them a lot more but not so much these days. Still, I don't mind them all that much. I like teh Cradle more.

Cradle Of Filth is basically a Gothic Metal band, fronted by a dude who sounds like that old witch lady on Power Rangers.

What more needs to be said than THAT?

I don't dislike either of them any more than the other. I just don't like either of them at all.

Mercyful Fate didn't invent the phrase "black metal" like Venom did, and they actually used growling vocals, unlike Venom.

Isn't it against the rules to say such?

I don't mind their earliest work, but I'm not a fan of the style so I don't listen to it.

They changed production values and also made their style of playing and overall aesthetic more simplistic and palatable to appeal to a bigger audience. Oh, and I really dislike Shagrath's vocals. I'd say the only good thing about their recent music is that Hellhammer played drums on one of their albums.

Oh shi-

I suck :(

I don't listen to Dimmu Borgir much these days (or metal at all for that matter) but I can't deny what a huge gateway band they were for me. It was because of them that I was able to discover black metal at all. They were a gateway band for a lot of people I know actually, they deserve some credit for that.

[quote=Inferno;855112]-its not cool to like mainstreamish metal bands.
Wait wha-

So it's not cool..
****.. *throws Midian into the fireplace*

I don't know much Dimmu, except a few Death Cult Armageddon and Enthrone Darkness Triumphant songs, something I heard a few years back from For All Tid and Stormblast, and Mourning Palace, which Philsdad introduced me to almost 9 years back. And while I don't think much of it necessarily sounds BAD, the older stuff I heard, is the stuff that's more likely to be stuck in my head afterwards. The other stuff just gets fairly boring after 2-3 minutes and is more forgettable, aside from "Puritania", which is catchy as all hell.

Hmm Dimmu kinda got pretty sucky pretty quick; however their lyrics are very well written and contain alot of decent imagery. Shagrath's vocals are.... well different, it depends on what sought of a beat he is screaching too. For example, Mourning Palace I liked because of the way he brought the pain (whatever pain that was) out through his vocals. But if you want pain there are bands that are alot better then Dimmu, like Silencer, I cant believe the lead singer of that band muttilated his hand to sound like that (but it sounds good anyway).

In conclusion Dimmu Borgir are pretty sucky, especially nowadays.

Nattramn of Silencer didn't mutilate his hands. There's pictures of him posing with fake blood and bandages while holding bones in his bandaged hands, though. I also definitely don't like his vocals.

I like his vocals because of the pain he releases, but I still prefer bands like Shining and Nyktalgia.

Both of those bands are much cooler than Silencer in my opinion. :)

Yeah Dimmu Borgir is pretty much a joke, but so is black metal, so it's like a joke falling way short of defining a joke.

There's so many anti-Dimmu sentiments. I never listened to the Stormblast remake, nor do I really want to, but The Chosen Legacy has some of the fastest drumming available. Hell, Hellhammer and Vortex are awesome band members. I liked Arcturus better, personally, considering both of them fronted it at the end, but I saw Dimmu Borgir... four days... 4-20-2007, four days after Arcturus broke up.

Also, English people probably should stay away from black metal. Anyone who thinks Dimmu Borgir is a joke, at least they have Norwegian Black Metal roots, Cradle of Filth... they spew Britishness, which emits a disgusting odor when under the guise of black metal. No, they're just much too theatrical for their own good. As far as black metal goes, I still think Emperor reigns superior. You really have to stay in the Scandinavian region.

Haha, wow. Members of a good band being in a really mediocre or terrible band doesn't redeem that band whatsoever if those members aren't a major force in the music. Shagrath and Galder are the primary songwriters, musicians who had nothing to do with Arcturus and don't make music remotely similar, even when Hellhammer and Vortex are involved. Sure, Vortex is a good singer and Hellhammer is a good drummer, but it's not like there aren't singers or drummers as good that are in bands that don't suck. Hellhammer is in like 20 bands anyway. It's not like newer Dimmu Borgir contains much similar to the experimentation or original kind of songwriting and recording that was found in Arcturus, and Arcturus was also better when Rygg was the vocalist, and he's the reason why they ever became so radically experimental.

...and further wow at you thinking that Cradle of Filth represents black metal outside of Norway. Just so you know, black metal didn't start in Norway, or anywhere in Scandinavia, and attempting to dismiss bands from other places based on the existence of a terrible goth band is ridiculous.

Also, Richaod's rep is totally wrong, since Wolves in the Throne Room sounds more like Weakling, which is considered one of the more definitive USBM bands because of the distinct influence of obviously American styles of music like no wave on their music, than they sound like any other band in the genre. They also modeled their logo after the Weakling logo, and wear Weakling shirts a lot in concert.

tl;dr version: lol

Hahaha, wow. Beyond what Omni said, Norway is a pretty weak country these days when it comes to Black Metal. You're going to miss a lot of great music if you stick to just that region.

Also, Wolves sounds a lot like USBM to me, idk

disregard me, I generalized (wrongly)

I'm sorry I mislead people into believing that I only listen to Scandinavian stuff exclusively. Nor did I ever imply that black metal originated in Norway or that region. There are people that'll argue that Venom invented it, but really, it doesn't have a lot of the same elements. Sure, it's raw, reminds me a bit of Mayhem or something like that, but other than that, and the phrase, it doesn't strike me as black metal. And my gripe with Cradle isn't their nationality so much as how over the top they want to go. I actually got my little brother into them many years ago, and he's the family expert on that band. No complaints, I just don't listen to them myself other than maybe a song or two every few months.

I don't think Dimmu is spectacular, by any means, and a lot of that has to do with the song writing, not the members. Isn't Gladur also in Old Man's Child? They sound quite similar. That's why I mentioned the part of Dimmu that I really like, who unfortunately, will not be a band anymore. Shed a tear of the fallen star, Arcturus, won't you? Now that you mention it, I should listen to some of his other music again someday.

But my main point, I guess, is that the gold standard in my eyes (probably not for most of you), is Emperor. Emperor's first album IS Norwegian black metal at it's finest, and then the epic edge they added into the second album was the perfect evolution, in my opinion. It's hard for bands outside of that region to make such raw, yet almost catchy music. As far as American music goes, I like Together We're Satan's Militia, but that has a lot to do with the fact that my little brother is the drummer. ;)

When I look for music outside of that region, I'm usually not looking for the same kind, like I like German industrial stuff too, like Hanzel Und Gretyl... I'll wait for someone to call me on that. :P

...ohh yeah, and gotta add dumb poser onto everything. ^.^

Yeah, your comment that Venom doesn't sound like black metal is invalid, since they were definitely the first band that played a style of music which was called that, and Bathory, which was the first black metal band that played music with more common ground to the bands from Norway and other more modern black metal bands, was definitely influenced by their music even though Quorthon originally lied and claimed that he didn't know them. Quorthon nearly plagiarized "Don't Burn the Witch" for the song "Born for Burning" on his second album.

If anything, later bands don't sound much like black metal if we're going to play this game, but it's actually because genres of music tend to become more refined and expanded over time.

I'd probably say that Burzum is probably the best black metal band from Norway, and definitely the most important band from the region in the evolution of the genre as a whole, and probably the first one to really master the use of minimalism and incorporation of things like ambient music into black metal.

Emperor's first stuff is okay, but I can't think of any reason why they stand out aside from incorporating some relatively simple symphonic parts into their music, which really has nothing to do with what black metal as a whole is about anyway.

Doesnt dimmu have the fastest drum off soloist for 4 years straight? and an opera singer?

Dimmu Borgir doesn't have the fastest drummer in anything aside from popular metal.

I don't know how you can consider Emperor as the gold standard...

Saw them with Danzig in Montreal, thought they were good but nothing they did had me saying "WOW THESE GUYS ****ING ROCK."

Playing with Danzig pretty much sums it up.

Early Dimmu and Emperor have a lot in common. Definitely under the same umbrella.

Anyways, Venom is considered to be in the first wave of black metal bands, that can't be disputed. Both "Black Metal" and "Bathory" were released within a couple years and both are, essentially, black/thrash albums. And let's face it, neither album sounds all that similar to today's black metal, just like every genre sounds very different from its conception. Doesn't make a difference though.