StarCraft general talk.

I've been playing this game for a while. I still love it! Its just fun! I know some might think its old, but the game is still really popular. This is gonna be general starcraft talk, nothing ELSE! I'd like to know your favorite race (mine is zerg). You favorite unit. (mine is the Dark Archon). The campaign you enjoyed the most (mine is the zerg one from the 2nd game). :devil:

only played the original starcraft, no add on's for me! :)

Favourite race is the Terran (Warhammer 40 K's Space Marines anyone?) Favourite unit being the nuclear missle solo! >:D nah, the Siege Tank, nice and trusty

Favourite campaign would be the Protoss one, awesome

I hate playing it on B.Net tho, it becomes a barracks rush, which sucks

I gotta agree with b.net. too rushy.
I did not understand your part of favorite unit...Is it nuke or siege tank? (nuke is not a unit, ghost shoot them.) :devil:

Siege tank, nuke silo doesn't count because it's a building :) unless you cheat and make it mobile....

battle.net sucks anyway IMO so it doesn't make too much of a difference, but if i have to cheat, it's either on a console game, or a game i've won before

Thats not just 40K. the idea of creatures that are all controlled by one mind, come in large groups and attack humans has existed for ages. Before 40K. And flame always beats animals.

Remind me what a 40k is plz :devil:

I think It's a Warhammer game... I dunno I never got into it.
Anyway, for Starcraft... I like the protoss. If I play with other guys my tendency to try to keep every unit alive comes back to bite me, while with the protoss that's what you're supposed to do. However, my favorite unit is the Zergling. I can never get enough of sending a hundred of those little bastards in just to watch them all die in 10 seconds flat... I know that goes against my "not losing any units" gamestyle, but if I'm zerg I'm just screwing around anyway. A close second is the scout though, because they have such great anti-air, and when upgraded you can do some fairly nice hit-and-runs. Lastly, I like all the workers, and here's why: If you play against a computer, build a decent anti-ground defense. next, send a worker to the enemy base and hit any unprotected building. then run it back toy uor base when enemy units start chasing you. The computers workers will chase after your worker, straight into your defenses... It's cheap, but really funny to watch (not to mention it makes comp battle so much easier.)

I see... Well I never played that game, perhaps where could I find it? If its like starcraft, i should like it.

I'd like 60k to get off the subject plz. :devil:

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Price raises are on the horizen. Well, I started playing Starcraft again yesterday.

Cool! Welcome back man! What will you do? The campaigns to warm you up? Go directly on B.net? :devil:

Ok...Well I think its kinda obvious that they had to get some inspiration to make the game and its also abvious that zergs and protoss are aliens...Although, protoss are an advance human race. I read this (hope its true) They kinda have a human shape to the exception of dragoons. The rest has a human shape. :devil:

The dragoons are machines with incapacitated warriors in them. That's why they say "I have returned" when you create them. The protoss themselves are humanoid.

As for playing the game, I lost my disk so I can't play anymore.... but once I borrow the regular SC disk I can install my BroodWar game and play again. Would any of you mind posting your names on b.net so when I get going again I'll have some people I know?

Hey, Do you make maps? I'm a mapmaker myslef, I had 2 that did very well and a few more that weren't bad. I'd like to know if anyone else works on maps, and what editors they use (and how to get them.) I use SC X-Tra editor Version 2.5, and it seems to have almost everything I need aside from stacking.

One last thing: Do you play regular or UMS maps? I got kinda tired of the regular ones so I started playing the UMS more often. My favorites include Zergling Blood (Platinum is my favorite, versions III and VII,) Golems (Ultra Final and Crystal 2,) and Cat&mouse (Sheer Numbers II preferably.) I'm known to play just about anything else in the UMS section as well.

You said you lost your CD, but you can go back and buy it you know. The first one costs 19.99$ and the 2nd costs 29.99. The battle chest cost 39.99$ Just save a bit and go. I dint know dragoons were sayin I have return after they've been created...They talk too bad for my understanding. When they die, they say F**k you. hahaha! That made me laugh the first time I played with the toss (a campaign) Now I'm too good for the campaign, so I only play battle.net, even if its not really fun. :devil:

I love Starcraft. I never got to play Broadwar either. My favorite group is the Terran. They are just easier to control. I love using cheats wile playing that game because I aint all that great at it.

Yeah... I forgot about the Xel Naga... I haven't played in so long. Anyway, in case there was a misunderstanding when I said the Protoss are humanoid, I meant in shape.

I don't play defense maps anymore, they're really all the same and most are impossible without a full game of good players. Sometimes I play defense games if they're competitive, like who can clear all the levels first, since you don't need to rely on others. In other games, finding a non-rigged version is easy. Find a basic layout of any map from someone else (that isn't locked) and edit any rigs out of it. That's the basis of most of my maps, I look at what others have made, borrow some of the stuff, and rewrite the rest. Of course, when I do that I have to give credit to the original map's creator(s) but it's far easier that way. Most of the maps I play were made by me, since I know they're fair (and they are fair, I hate rigging it since it makes it pointless to win, no big accomplishment there.)

I'm going to go out and buy a new game soon, so I hope to see a few of you out there.

For the rare time I use to go on b.net, I was playin 2v6 comps (micro jail some times.) or i'd play a 1 on 1 real playa. I tried with more real playa, but as I said, too rushy. :devil:

It's all about the UMS maps online. That's where you get most of the real fun/challenges.

Ummm...I cannot remeber UMS maps...Can you give me a hint? :devil:

Ah! you mean use map settings! Yeah! Witch ones do you play the most? :devil:

I hope there is going to be a Starcraft 2. I barely play any computer games. So I would most definetally get SC2.

No, it is an EXPANSION PACK, far too many people mess that one up.Expansion packs simply add onto the game, kind of like a huge patch. Almost every blizzard computer game made has had one, with the exception of wc (as far as I know).

I think SC Ghost is supposed to be based on Starcraft (hence the name) but I don't think it's SC2

So finally, all SC games are SC 1...Well...I guess its a unique case, cuz Warcraft and Diablo have I,II (for Diablo) and I,II,III (for Warcraft).

:devil:

No... Starcraft Ghost is as close to SC 2 as any game can get, but it's an entirely different kind of game. It's actualy a Third Person Stealth Adventure set in the Starcraft Universe, where you play as a ghost named Nova. I have seen some stuff about it in the Starcraft webpage, but I don't really know much. Hey... did that game even come out yet?

I hate when games are delayed! I'm exited for that game, but it seems i'll never come! :devil:

Oh, my mistake. I haven't seen it in a while, so i'm probably wrong... I'll fix my post up.

I've already said it but... just play the UMS maps, they're usualy more fun anyway.

Shhhhh... Correct you are, sir. I just took a few seconds to check my WcII Battle chest, and it is indeed Beyond the Dark Portal. And why about ling rushes? Ling rushes tend to be far more deadly than Marine rushes, if used correctly.

Its been said before, but I say it again, UMS maps are better and more fun, cuz its extrem! Melee is too rushy and long.
The only weakness with UMS is that people leave or s/uck (sry). I never beat a sunken colony (or I think once I did), but every day I come back to improve and hope people will stay!
Does that happen to you Death-by-minnow? :devil:

Of course, but it's that golden game that comes about every 4 or 5 that kicks *ss that makes UMS maps worth it. I WILL get back into that sometime... someday...

hmm...I've played a SNIPERZ game recently, and I think its my new top favorite UMS game. Its fun and funny. I jump on my chair every time I get shot. At least, in these type of games people dont leave...

i dont kno i have never played but ya linkin park all the wayywwwooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :devil: :devil: :devil:

Does anyone good want to play a few games? The account is s.tinger.

I used to play sc all the time. I haven't played it in ages.

I dont have a fav race but I would go Mass BC with Terran, Mass Hydra with Zerg, and Mass Goons, or Carriers with Toss.

I love it when people throw mass in front of a unit name and call it a strategy. That's really a lack of strategy. Strategy would be compsing a balanced force of several kinds of units and managing them so that they don't run into the wrong battles at the wring times. Not that anyone does that or anything.

I still haven't gotten around to getting the game again, but when I do... there'll be Hell to pay.

Wraith swarm to infinity(cloaked, of course)!

But seriously, Zerg are vastly superior to all other life forms.

Um...No...I think all races have their advantages. The zerg's units dont take a lot of space (overlord uses) and don't cost a lot of money, but their HP is quite sucky. A zergling has 35 of HP... A siege tank would kill it in one shot and a group of 12 would destroy a bunker, but not 2 (I think)
The protoss cost a lot of maney and have many upgrades, but their HP is high and they have a shield that can get back to max. You even have a Shield battery building. They also attack hard (zealot=16, dragoon=20, dark templar kills a zergling in 1 shot and a hydralisk in 2 shots) They also have high templars that could get ride of mass attacks (sry death-by-minnow). They also can build faster, if they have the money, cuz it only takes a probe, and he builds everything. With the zergs, you need a new probe everytime, so add 50$ to each building. The zergs also have to own many hatcheries to be able to create units quickly. If you have 1, you will have to wait for 3 larvas to get back, and a hatchery still cost 300$ + the drone to create it.
The terrans have the tanks and the battlecruisers that are powerfull units and they have medics to send as an opening attack (scouts) They have nukes. The only problem with powerfull units, is that they cost a lot of money (battlecruiser=400$+300 gas and an intire supply of 8).

In conclusion, I dont think the zergs are the most powerful. I think the creators made it so that all the races are equal.

When I said using different units instead of massing one unit, I didn't mean use only small amounts. You still need lots of units, but try using lots of DIFFERENT units. For example, with zerg: Ultralisks rule at taking damage. There's no way around that, they take a lot. Hydralisks deal a lot of damage, and can take out pesky air units. Zerglings rape anything that doesn't shoot back. Try sending in a group or two of ultras (3 if you're rich) followed closely by a few groups of hydras. Once they're all in combat, send in the lings to finish the raping. If this fails it's most likely because the enemy had lots of high damage units, or maybe high templars. Similar ideas can be applied to any race, you just need to make adjustments based on unit strengths and weaknesses.

I'm speaking about full groups. 2 or three GROUPS of ultras. that's a big difference.
(You know what I mean by groups right? the doaen units you can assign to numbers 0-9?)

As for your plan, I really can't say how well it'd work. Although I have my old ideas, I haven't palyed in so long that I don't know what works on people anymore. Besides, if I play again I'm going straight to the UMS maps.

I agree with flameghost on the fisrt, opening post he started with. Starcraft is an awsome game. It is sort of an old game, but it's very enjoyable. I'm not sure why they naver made any other starcraft game, that i know of anyways, lol. I was playing the original starcraft, not the expansion, not too long ago, and i started ep 2, ther zerg. I was on the second lvl, which is a mostly easy lvl, one would think. the one where you have to take the young crysalis to the wayypoint or the other name for those indicated locations, lol. i tried every unit and none of them could cary it, i thought the game was messing up. I was getting aggravated. I had realized that i wasn't even thinking about the drones, lol. obviously you need the have a drone carry it down.

NOT ENOUGH PSI. BUILD MORE PYLONS.

Need more overlords!!!!

Do you play on battle.net? If so do you enjoy "money" (fastest possible map) or "non money" (Lost Temple) or other maps that are popular such as Zero Clutter, or Big Game Hunters

I thing the Protoss are the best, simply because the Dark Archon can take ove units. I always take over a builder from the zerg and terran and creat a vast empire and an unstoppible army ;)

Usually pulling that off in a non-money map (Fastest, BGH, etc) takes a hell of a lot of skill, and also requires more resources than most maps have, so that isn't always a advantage. Dark Archons are good for other reasons too, feedback can wipe a ghost in a single hit, kill a medic, and other such units. You can also Maelstrom (shpeeling) massive zergs of units (I play WoW too much), of say... zerglings, hydras, zealots, and then Psy storm them to death. But Archons in general are weak against a smart Terran player. One blast from EMP and those Archons, dark and otherwise, are killable by just about anything with range.

Yes it is, it has been. It was premiered at the E3 convention (or w/e) I think. Well Starcraft is a great game, I have played it for a long time now. My favorite races are Zerg and protoss, i like terran for nukes, thats all. Flame you say its 1 mineral thing with $50k? Its actually about 50 mineral chunks stacked on one, along with 3,4, or 5 vespene gas geysers at each side (Fastest map, and Zero clutter) And hydra's suck again high temps, there like the worst units against them, 80 health? and there ranged. Psi storm kills them in 3 seconds, and mass wraiths is deadly against bc's but not against fully upgraded corsairs or Valkyries. And out of my expierance, i'd say that Melee is alot more fun then UMS, Ums gets boring after a while and melee seems like the only thing fun when ums is boring. There is nothing more fun then beating a person on battle.net in a melee match because you get such an adrenaline rush out of it.

Good strategies with Zerg would be what Death-by-minnow said. Defilers with hydra's is a great combo also. Plague works great again units with low health. Or massed air in one little fleet, like how air units hover over eachother when in pacts.Good protoss strategies would be like 3 dark archons (for maelstrom), like 10 archons, 5 high temps (psi storm) 20 Zealots, and like 30 dragoons. If you want fast minerals and gas in a money map (Such as Zero Clut and Fastest) Get like 30 probes/drones/SCV's on minerals and 3 workers on each vespene gas geyser. Highest mins i've had at the end of a match was in Zero clutter, 73,000 Minerals and 68,000 Gas, I won that match also as Protoss. Zerg partner massed Gaurdians and Zerglings (Lings for good buildings damage, got them after we slaughtered enemy units) other partner massed Dragoons. I mass Dragoons, Zealots, and Dark templars. Oh and hear is a tip, if ever facing a terran computer in a money map, getting something cloaked (such as a dark templar and a lurker) Should take it out, they don't get detectors. If ever facing a person on battle.net, get defence first, to prevent rushes. Then start getting units, (20 cannons, 15 sunkens and 5 spores, walled supply depots with bunkers should do the trick for defence). Oh and if facing a good player, they will just plow through defence with carriers, or gaurdians, Or even battlecruisers.

A good strategy in a multiplayer match (3v3 Zer clut mostly) would be if your zerg, facing one other zerg. Make masses of zerglings hydra's, or whatever good ground unit, and send about 10 overlords directly into the opponents base (Make sure you have a Nydus canal). Or use one of you partners observers (Cloaked protoss air unit) to see so it looks less suspicious, and build a nydus canal exit on your enemies creep. It works real well and sometimes doesn't work, but if it does work, Your opponent is usually overwhelmed and leaves. Oh yeah, Death-By-minnow, 3 groups of ultra's would most likely take up all your supplies. Terran nuking is best effective at on defence at the side. If the player sucks, you can sneak into there base with a fake attack and a dropship. One more tip, in a NR 15 or 20 game in Zeroclut 3v3, Make units quickly. Map will max, and don't make valkyries, when there is too many units they don't attack because the lag.

I hope all my information helped you to play better.
My account name in ZeroXOmega[m] on USeast. I have to reinstall SC since I ran system recovery on friday and my friend has my disc. So i'll probably be on wednesday or thursday.

I haven't played in a while so I lack in-depth strategyies. Then again, I usualy just asessed my opponents units and buildings and made stuff accordingly. It's really fun to get people into thinking you're a junky for one kind of unit (cheap units are better for that, since you waste less cash) and then unleashing the exact opposite, or something that beats the crap out of whatever he had been using to fend them off. This works better in some of the UMS maps though, since in a meelee they'll proabably just start massing capital ships (or in zerg's case, just get the big guns.)

I have one disageement on the defiler/hydra idea though. If your enemy has meelee attackers, you're going to be hurting yourself more than helping. I would suggest lings or ultras (or both) with that, and just ignore all the non-meelee units in favor of nailing key buildings (pylons, command centers, unit builders, upgrade centers, important links to high-level buildings.) I used to nail several players in a row with the same army that way... ahh the glory days. For a race that's centered around inexpensive troops, it's funny that they got one of the best defensive abilities.

Last thing: P*ss off Terran players by plaguing buildings, especialy cumps where SCVs can't get to the middle ones (Supply Depots) and watch them burn themselves down after 2 hits.

I dont think Starcraft: Ghost is gonna be all that great, they basically turned the first two Starcrafts into a third-person shooter game.

Plauging the terran command center is a great strategy, then creat a mass of infected terran to attack the rest of em' Think of it as suicide bombing the hell out of your opponet

I didn't say that there would only be hydra's. I just said that it works well. But a plagueing the Command center then just running in with 10 muta's through the side and targetting works well I guess, but I love nydus canals.

Protoss is the easiest to learn, but the hardest to "master". But after a certain level of skill, Terran becomes a bit overpowered unless you get on them EARLY on in the game. Otherwise they'll just tech drops and tanks, vultures, or whatever.

I'm a Zerg player, and I always have been. : / I'll usually scout quick, steal gas, then tech mutas or lurks while harassing with lings. We need to play a few games sometime.

Zergs are costly in defence majorly. Their supplies arent used up fast, so its easy to mass attack with them. You can send zerglings fairly quickly and nuke your opponent.

Now calm down project. Usually the members that say that are pretty bad at the game ;)

oh im terrible at the game but i love it

Dont worry, you'll get better with time ;)

I used to be completely obsessed with StarCraft; it's definitely one of the most influential RTSs ever made, up to the point where it's still more playable than many new RTS games and it's practically Korea's national sport. :p

I just played it today at a LAN cafe and I feel like playing it again. :)

By the way, Zergling rushes (with Adrenal glands of course) own everything.

And Carriers absolutely pwn Battlecruisers, as I discovered when I attempted to use twelve Battlecruisers again only about six Carriers. :(

I never play as Protoss unless I'm just screwing around or I am playing someone with very little experience. If you have a really long time to get a lot of units, then you are about unstoppable, but I always go with the Zerg. Fast, efficient, and cuddly.

[quote=Richaod]I used to be completely obsessed with StarCraft; it's definitely one of the most influential RTSs ever made, up to the point where it's still more playable than many new RTS games and it's practically Korea's national sport. :p

I just played it today at a LAN cafe and I feel like playing it again. :)

By the way, Zergling rushes (with Adrenal glands of course) own everything.

And Carriers absolutely pwn Battlecruisers, as I discovered when I attempted to use twelve Battlecruisers again only about six Carriers. :(
you can't rush adrenal gland lings 8-)

But you should totally start playing on Bnet again. Just PM me or something if you'd like to play a few.

lol and plus... How on earth can a game be dragged out that long?

[quote=Richaod]I used to be completely obsessed with StarCraft; it's definitely one of the most influential RTSs ever made, up to the point where it's still more playable than many new RTS games and it's practically Korea's national sport. :p

I just played it today at a LAN cafe and I feel like playing it again. :)

By the way, Zergling rushes (with Adrenal glands of course) own everything.

And Carriers absolutely pwn Battlecruisers, as I discovered when I attempted to use twelve Battlecruisers again only about six Carriers. :(

Hmm, I always though the BC owned the carrier, did you just let the BCs attack, or focus your fire on a single carrier. The AI in SC seems rather dumb, and just attacks the interceptors, rather than the Carriers.

im not that great but i just make alot of marines and battle curzers with the marines been along time since i played so dnt yell at me if i made names wrong

[quote=Richaod]
And Carriers absolutely pwn Battlecruisers, as I discovered when I attempted to use twelve Battlecruisers again only about six Carriers. :(

Its called upgrading your BC's and focusing their shots on the Carriers. I've beaten 12 Carriers with 12 BCs easily.

Unfortunatley, as anyone who has played online knows, the Zerg and the Terran are vastly inferior to the Protoss. 20 Photon cannons can be rebuilt in seconds, the 50 Zerglings or Marines they kill cannot. And Carriers, cheap as they may seem, can crush any other defence, no matter how strong it seems.

I find "Use Map Settings" gamesto be far more fun. They are much more original, and are constantly entertaining.

[quote=GameMiestro]Its called upgrading your BC's and focusing their shots on the Carriers. I've beaten 12 Carriers with 12 BCs easily.

Unfortunatley, as anyone who has played online knows, the Zerg and the Terran are vastly inferior to the Protoss. 20 Photon cannons can be rebuilt in seconds, the 50 Zerglings or Marines they kill cannot. And Carriers, cheap as they may seem, can crush any other defence, no matter how strong it seems.

I find "Use Map Settings" gamesto be far more fun. They are much more original, and are constantly entertaining.
:(

VERY not true. As far as expert competitive play, Zerg is pretty inferior, save a few good Zerg players (hi JulyZerg). Protoss is only good if you, as a starcraft player, are REALLY good with them and have been playing Protoss for six years. Protoss, again, are the hardest to play. What does that have to do with thir max potential? Well... Nobody's actually reached that point yet.

Currently, in the competitive scene, Terran is by far the most dominant. There has never, in the last five years (from what I know), been a major tournament champion that wasn't a Terran player.


EDIT: And guys, lay off of the Carriers. They're almost never used in 1v1, and very rarely in 2v2.

I have played Protoss for a very long time, and am an expert as "fastest map ever" games, which are the most common games being played. 6-12 Dark Archons make a virtually invincible defence force if used correctly. I'm suprised how many people get killed by Zerg rushes, they obviously haven't heard of a little thing called Maelstrom.

Terrans have a problem with defence, as you simpily cannot create a grid of bunkers the way you can with Photon Cannons and Sunken Colonies.

[quote=GameMiestro]I have played Protoss for a very long time, and am an expert as "fastest map ever" games, which are the most common games being played.
Huh... Well problem solved. Noob map. :)

Play with an expert Terran 1v1 Lost Temple and give me the results. 8-) I'll start saving replays (actually I have one right now that I can post). It's a game of me (a good Zerg) vs. a decent but random Terran player. Terran is just way too versatile.

Really, the only way to beat a Terran is to cut their economy off, which will result in long, dragged-out games. Get agressive against one, and you'll have six science vessels, tanks, and marines & medics in your jock.

In the amount of time it takes to make 9 sunken colonies or 9 photon cannons, you can make 3 bunkers filled with marines. The 3 bunkers can quickly be crushed with 12 zealots, while the cannons and colonies can not.

Having to maintain 3 types of units- Siege Tanks, Missle Turrets, and Bunkers, (not to mention protective Supply Depots) is very expensive. Unless you have a large Ghost squad (okay, MAYBE with Medics and Goliaths, if you can aim fast) at the ready, no Terran defence can possibly withstand a Carrier/Arbiter combination. Not only that, Guardians can easily crush Terran defences, especially with Devourer backup.

Also, "fastest map ever" games are not "noob" maps, they're just there for people like me, who find the normal maps boring. The majority of Starcraft players must think that as well, as this type of game is constantly used. People who like slow maps should increase their horizons.

Also, a big difference is the I play on 6-8 player melee's where you can either kill or get killed.

Terran IS playable in fast maps, but it is quite hard. You need to make a ton of wraiths, cloak them, and slam them at the enemy. This is even easier if you take out enemy defence structures with Siege Tanks from across the river dividers.

Finally, it is possible to win in any stage of the game with a Zerg rush, if you know how to use Defilers properly...

[quote=Flame ghost]6-8 players melee is not fun, cuz if you attack someone, then you gotta pay attention tov your base and go back sometimes if you need to. If your attack fails, your basically screwed. I prefere teams...of 2-4 generally.

I know terran is playable, but for being fast, its another thing. I usually make battlecruisers and thats quite long to make. If I make seige tanks, I gotta send wraith with them, so You never can rush with terrans...unless you use marines, but the zealots can nuke them quite easily and the zerglings are good too to counter them...

Thats what makes melees so hard. Remember, though, that your opponent has the same disadvantage- he cant send 20 carriers at you or his base will be wiped out. I also sometimes do 4 on 4 maps, but it's hard to keep the teams perfectly balanced. If even one person decides to leave... the game is ruined.

Ever try using a defensive matrix on a Ghost, then have him nuke the middle of an enemy base?

Theres a lot of really bizzare strategies I have seen out there. One person I met blocked is entry way with a wall of Archons and had Reavers right behind them. When an enemy attacked, he would statis all his Archons, and blast the enemies with his reavers. The Archons, of course, would be immune to all of this.

Pure genius.

Indeed this is a good startegie, but if the player attacks with air units, it becomes useless depending on the amount of archon he/she owns...

Ever play Terran Test of Survival?

Bloody hard game...

No, sry.

As Use map setting games, I play:

Turret defence
Marine defence
Sunken defence
Bunker defence
Star phonton
Photon defence

etc...

[quote=GameMiestro]Also, "fastest map ever" games are not "noob" maps, they're just there for people like me, who find the normal maps boring. The majority of Starcraft players must think that as well, as this type of game is constantly used. People who like slow maps should increase their horizons.
Noob map. And you say the original and official maps are BORING? Fastest Possible Map is the most (by far), barren, detail-lacking map starcraft has ever seen. There are no ramps in your main base to strategicly block off. There is NO taking advantage of the map's physical features. You lose the entire economy aspect of the game. You no longer have to both control the units to workers ratio; multiple small-scale errors early game... no longer cost you. Later in the game, it's nearly impossible to go wrong in your spendings.

And standard maps are not "slow" maps. They're original, and it was how the game was intended to be played. Hell, Fastest Possible Map is not even an authentic starcraft custom map. In order to stack the minerals in campaign editor, you need mods. As for the majority of starcraft players, they've been sucked into these maps.

And with that, you cannot say that I need to "broaden my horrizons". With all that is missing from it's gameplay, how can you call it broadening?

[quote=Flame ghost]The standards maps aren't slow maps if you are good at SC. If you can nuke the campaigns quickly, then you can be fast in a standard no problems.
nooooo

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The computers in campaign are triggered to attack at certain points of the game with the beginner player in mind. It doesn't help your economy game at all like it would online against someone of your skill level.

But yes, they are not "slow" maps if you're playing the game as it should be.
[URL="http://www.gosugamers.net"]http://www.gosugamers.net[/URL] < Go watch replays, people. :(

I know the computers are n00bs. They were programmed like that. They usually send you the same attack after a certain amount of time.

I just meant that you can train building fast and making quick attacks with a regular map.

Before you read this, please consider the following:

You're completely wrong about the game.

[quote=GameMiestro]I said "increase", not "broaden", which means that you can keep what you already have but you should try new maps.
aka. broaden

I've played Fastest Possible Map probably three to four times as much as you have. After almost eight years of playing Starcraft daily, I consider myself an authority on the game. :cool:

[quote=GameMiestro]There is several strategies that you can only employ correctly on Fastest maps- like creating a enourmous Carrier factory, attacking defences with Siege Tanks from across rivers, and setting up a wall of supply depots with bunkers behind. Theoretically, you could do them on normal maps, but you would probably use up all your minerals before you finish.

Without huge mineral deposits, Starcraft games can be endless- and if there is a winner, it is usually the one who doesn't run out minerals first. Any fairly good player can win simpily by setting up a large defence and waiting for his opponents minerals to run out.

The real problem lays behind the units stats- for example, Photon Cannons should be much more powerful, and Sunken Colonies should be less. Also, if units were not so stupid as to only attack Interceptors, games would be a lot more fair for the other races.

Finally, if you're going against 4 comps with 4 players, you're pretty much dead if all the comps decide to attack you with their opening troops. In Fastest maps, at least you have a chance.
There goes your entire argument right from the start. It sounds to me like you've never given Lost Temple more than a quick try. Otherwise you'd know that it's quite possible (not "theoretical") to block off your ramp with two supply depots and a barracks (it varies at each base). And therefore you could not possibly have any idea how the game is REALLY supposed to be played. You can say all you want. You've showed me that... you just don't know what you're talking about.

And yes, Starcraft games often DO go until someone basically runs out of minerals, but in contrast to what you may think: These are the very good games, and often shows that it was a match in which the players were of equal skill. But really, on a normal map, there's plenty of room for EXPANSION. Something the normal Fastest player would never think of.

And please, games cannot be won by bunkering up, because you're closing yourself off to expansion. You can't just sit in your base and wait. I laugh. Pleeeeease tell me you know that units can easilly be targeted on one carrier and not just the interceptors.

I thought you were agreeing with him just a few posts ago.

Just thought I'd show you guys a link, if you're interested...

[url=http://revolution.wc3campaigns.com/index.php]StarCraft mod for WarCraft III[/url]

This is being done entirely by a third party should be coming out some time next year, I think. The gallery's well worth a look; they've done a great job translating the original 2D images into fully 3D ones.

Some previews:
http://revolution.wc3campaigns.com/gallery/images/shotty3.jpg
http://revolution.wc3campaigns.com/gallery/images/ScreenShot2.jpg
http://revolution.wc3campaigns.com/gallery/images/sncscreenshot2.jpg
http://revolution.wc3campaigns.com/gallery/images/sncscreenshot2.jpg
http://revolution.wc3campaigns.com/gallery/images/screenshot.jpg

I used to play StarCraft a lot and loved it. I played on bnet all the time while i had dial-up internet. I got DirecWay satellite internet a year and a half ago and cant play online games with it. When DSL or Cable finally gets out this way maybe I will play again.

I finally got around to play again. I dumped WCIII for a while and I'm back on SC. Its still as fun. As if I've never played. Still rusty, but ready to kick some butts :)

I still play Starcraft to this day. If ur Ever on b.net look me up i use the name Newbish4Life. and i play in the channel SWBK most of the time.

I like Toss but of course I am one of the worst players in the channel i play in. The best person i would have to say is my friend Ixions. If your any good and u play on b.net look up Ixions and just randomly challenge him. I dare you.

I only play custom games. (Use Map Settings), defence maps, fun maps, etc.

I suck at normal games. :(

[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Yes it does happen often that I'm the slowest one in normal games. I don't play them anymore either. I have fun with those sunken denfences and EVOLVES[/COLOR]

If you have Brood War, play Spawn Defence if possible. Very good game. :)
Games where you can stack turrets/cannons are good too.

[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]I use to love stacking until I realized that it becomes useless at round 10 on ...(depends of the game)

If you stack, you make it difficult for yourself when the phontons/turrets aren't powerful enough anymore to kill the waves. Then they have plenty of room to go around while as if you make a thin passage for them to cross, you can kill them one by one with special units or buildings.

As for the spawn game, I'll try it soon. [/COLOR]

You act in two teams, and you have to both build a defence and buy units to go through the enemy defence. It gets tricky. :)

[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Sounds good. I like when it gets hard. Otherwise it's lame and boring.[/COLOR]

Oh, you can't JUST build a defence. Buy more units to attack and you get more money to build a defence. Although you can just attack, but make sure you don't do it while playing 1on1. :)

[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Will do.[/COLOR]

Doesn't anyone know that turrets/cannons/spores attack interceptors because they can't reach the carriers? They attack the carriers if the carrier is in range but as it generally isn't they attack what they can.

I generally play protoss or zerg. When playing terran I get pwned due to my extreme lack of micro(stim packs, defensive matrix...) but I don't mass with protoss. My general strat is:
Hotkey 1:12 zeals.
Hotkey 2:12 scouts.
Hotkey 3:12 DT.
Hotkey 4:4 reavers.
I often add more(obs, arbs, corsairs, maybe some DA or HT or goons), but those are the main ones. I hate carriers due to their extreme lack of attack, but I get FB for scouts/corsairs upgrades.

With zerg I go mutas/lings/guardians/scourge. I don't like them as much due to the extremely late siege.

Richard, stop being a carrier-spamming n00b, you choad. (Note, I actually know him)

EDIT: Are there any pros here that I could ask for strat confirmation?

Also, I am really bad at UMS (as in really bigtime UMS, not just turbocharged or something like that) but I'll try spawn defence when possible.