Handcuffing Injured Suspects: Agree or Disagree




Posted by Pit

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/nyregion/18cuffs.html?ei=5090&en=38b7c528a7655d51&ex=1353042000&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print




Posted by BLUNTMASTER X

Handcuff them.

... unless their injuries involve dismemberment.




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

Handcuff. You don't know how injured they really are. They could easily just fake the seriousness of the injury and attack the unsuspecting officers. It may be more painful if you are injured, but a lot less painful than getting tasered or beat down.




Posted by Bebop

Handcuff them. It's police procedure for arresting suspects. Doesn't matter how injured they are.




Posted by S

People would be screaming bloody murder if a cop died from not restraining them further. Indignity to a criminal? Meh. If the person didn't actually do anything wrong, or a grievence of acceptable nature... then I could see it as something along those lines. But if someone warrants getting shot at, they obviously chose to relinquish their dignity (Assuming the cops aren't abusing their power, that is.).




Posted by Omni

They don't know the people aren't still armed or dangerous, and it's the criminal's fault for being a threat to officers and civilians. Maybe it's unnecessary if they're clearly dead.




Posted by Slade

Handcuff them. It pretty much makes sure no more injuries occur.




Posted by Arwon

As long as there's an exception in cases where paralysis from moving somebody incorrectly is a possibility, like with spine or neck injuries, it seems okay. In cases where someone clearly isn't moving, and where there's a possibility of spine or neck injuries, it can't be that difficult to simply keep an eye on them until somebody who KNOWS how to move people without damaging them shows up.




Posted by Foppy D

Actually police are allowed to use judgment on handcuffing. There is no proper protocol for handcuffing (at least here in GA). It is recommended they cuff all suspects for the officer's protection.

P.S. I have 1 year left for a criminal justice degree. Any other police queries?




Posted by Pit

Over here there's no police discretion.
I have... 2 - 3 years for mine!




Posted by muffla

handcuff them, just so inocent people like us can laugh at them




Posted by Lord of Spam

Handcuff unless there is a mdeical condition that outweighs the potential harm that operson could inflict.




Posted by Bebop

That would only work of arrest warrants where they have time to do a background search on a background. When it comes to crimes out on the street it wouldnt work.




Posted by Lord of Spam

Yeah, it would. If he's got a broken wrist and doesnt seem a harm, dont cuff him. If hes got a broken leg and just stabbed someone to death, his *** is gettin cuffed.

Essentially, leave it up to the officers. They would have to have some reason to think that medically it would be obviously bad for them not to cuff someone.




Posted by S

Ever seen a guy handcuffed with lacerated wrists? I didn't eat chicken for months.




Posted by misogenie

Temporary paralysis using a sleeping gas spray canister would be a harmless solution instead of handcuffs.





Posted by Bebop


Quoting Lord of Spam: Yeah, it would. If he's got a broken wrist and doesnt seem a harm, dont cuff him. If hes got a broken leg and just stabbed someone to death, his *** is gettin cuffed.

Essentially, leave it up to the officers. They would have to have some reason to think that medically it would be obviously bad for them not to cuff someone.


That would still only work for obviously physical medical conditions. An officer won't know about medical conditions that aren't easy to spot that could affect this when out on the street. I'm sure when chasing a suspect the last thing on the officers mind is "**** if he has brittle bone deisease I could really hurt this guy when I slap cuffs on him."



Posted by Omni

If he has brittle bone disease, running from the police would already be a bad idea and it would be his own fault.




Posted by Bebop

Pretty sure committing crimes are bad ideas.




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

Yeah, it's your fault for being in that situation. It's really for everyone's safety they get cuffed, and if the person has a problem with it they shouldn't've, you know, broken the law.




Posted by Lord of Spam


Quoting Bebop: That would still only work for obviously physical medical conditions. An officer won't know about medical conditions that aren't easy to spot that could affect this when out on the street. I'm sure when chasing a suspect the last thing on the officers mind is "**** if he has brittle bone deisease I could really hurt this guy when I slap cuffs on him."


Theres no way the cop could tell, ergo theres nothing to keep him from doing it. Oh noes, a criminal got injured due to a cop following proper proceedure in a weird one in a million scenario.



Posted by Bebop

Exactly, so just handcuff them anyway ;-)




Posted by Lord of Spam

Yeah. Duh.

Like I said, unless there is an obvious (i.e. reasonable) reason to think that cuffing them would cause harm outweighing the harm that person poses to the general public/the arresting officer, then they should get cuffed as warranted.




Posted by Pit


Quoting Bebop: Pretty sure committing crimes are bad ideas.


Not every suspect is a criminal, thus the issue. There have been times where untrained officers go out and confuse a regular person for someone that fits the description. There's no problem there since they are doing their job, looking out for the person who's doing the crime, but when you get the wrong guy, and it looks like their reaching for a gun when they're reaching for a wallet, and the officer opens fire first, then what?



Posted by Bebop

Im not saying that suspects are criminals. Just that criminals are dumb.
The worst most recent case of officers confusing innocent people with suspect was the killing of a Brazillian man on the udnerground tube who was mistaken as a terror suspect following the bombings in London.




Posted by WillisGreeny

People with hemophilia, aids, and diabetes can get braclets that say what they're health is like incase of an accident. My cousin has hemophilia and had to deal with the cops on a regular basis (not sure why, but I bet it was preventable,). When the cops saw his braclet they didn't give a ****, even though they could kill him internally when they slamed him against a squad car. It's **** like that cops get away with that **** people off.


Quoting Bebop: Im not saying that suspects are criminals. Just that criminals are dumb.
The worst most recent case of officers confusing innocent people with suspect was the killing of a Brazillian man on the udnerground tube who was mistaken as a terror suspect following the bombings in London.


Yeah, there's criminals that are stupid, but cops aren't exactly super humans with infallible judgement. They're human beings aswell, with flaws that lead to wrong decisions just like everyone else. Also, procedures aren't perfect.


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Posted by Pit

Just because you have a health problem doesn't mean you're supposed to get special treatment. I mean, let's say it was until they apprehended your cousin that they found out THAT he had hemophilia, and not before. I mean, it's not like an officers job to protect the well being of the person committing the crime, but the safety of the ones around him and himself.




Posted by WillisGreeny

Cops knew he had hemophilia prior to slamming him; they just didn't like him for having a big mouth. Doesn't excessive force tie into caring about the criminal?




Posted by Arwon

Just because police officers are employed by the state to enforce the law doesn't mean they get to do so without following rules or, you know, being decent human beings. They're not some magical arbiter of divine authority who need absolute freedom or anything like that. They shouldn't be above the law just because they enforce it. If they're unreasonably brutal or excessive in their application of force they should be charged with assault.

I know I'd prefer to live in a society where cops have to err on the side of caution and restraint and following decent internal guidelines even if it occasionally means they can't be as "effective" as they'd be if we gave them total power. Much better than living in a society where people get shot for no reason, and every encounter with some goon in uniform means you're risking getting hurt or worse regardless of whether you've done anything wrong

I must say, I'm a little disturbed by the recent trend towards people knee-jerk justifying more or less everything Law Enforcement does. Have we suddenly forgotten there's actually a lot of douchebags on self-righteous power-trips wearing those uniforms? Where did this new attitude come from? Christ, crime has been trending broadly downwards across the developed world for twenty years, yet anyone'd think the opposite was true judging by people's changing attitudes.

I think I blame TV.




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

Or, you know, it's just handcuffing a guy who obviously did something bad enough to get arrested and something dangerous enough to get hurt. So it's not like they're randomly beating the **** out of people just because.




Posted by Arwon

Except, you know, for the part where sh[url=http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/they-threw-me-down-they-hurt-me-they-searched-my-bra/2007/12/07/1196813021247.html]it like this happens[/url].




Posted by Vampiro V. Empire

Well I honestly don't believe that happens to too many old ladies. I see your point, that's ridiculous, but when compared to all the people that are rightfully arrested, it's a small minority and likely only happened because the officers were *******s who shouldn't even be part of the force.




Posted by Pit


Quoting Arwon: Just because police officers are employed by the state to enforce the law doesn't mean they get to do so without following rules or, you know, being decent human beings. They're not some magical arbiter of divine authority who need absolute freedom or anything like that. They shouldn't be above the law just because they enforce it. If they're unreasonably brutal or excessive in their application of force they should be charged with assault.

I know I'd prefer to live in a society where cops have to err on the side of caution and restraint and following decent internal guidelines even if it occasionally means they can't be as "effective" as they'd be if we gave them total power. Much better than living in a society where people get shot for no reason, and every encounter with some goon in uniform means you're risking getting hurt or worse regardless of whether you've done anything wrong

I must say, I'm a little disturbed by the recent trend towards people knee-jerk justifying more or less everything Law Enforcement does. Have we suddenly forgotten there's actually a lot of douchebags on self-righteous power-trips wearing those uniforms? Where did this new attitude come from? Christ, crime has been trending broadly downwards across the developed world for twenty years, yet anyone'd think the opposite was true judging by people's changing attitudes.

I think I blame TV.


What the hell are you talking about. There's only two arguments here dude, this has nothing to do with excessive force. You're straying way off.

I mean, i's either this view: Hey, I think they should handcuff them because the person may still be a threat to himself, or the public, or he may get away or It's inhumane, the person is hurt, and it's unnecessary.

I asked a simple question, do you think an officer should do handcuff a SUSPECT if they are hurt. It has nothing to do with being above the law.

And although, yeah you bring up the internal guidelines, certain states have rules. It isn't left to discretion in New York, because of the three reasons above. The person may be a threat to himself, the public, and to keep him from leaving the scene of the crime.

Man people like you really scare me into going into law enforcement with this wackyness. WACKYNESS.

Edit: btw, the police had no right doing what they did to her. She was asked a question, and she responded, so they should've been on their way. Searching for drugs in that manner is retarded because you usually conduct a stop and frisk if you believe the person may be carrying a firearm and could be a possible threat to those around him. You're not supposed to go inside pockets or inside a bra, etc, well in New York. I guess in NSW they can stop and beat up old ladies.