So this couple hired this 19 year old girl to watch their kids and she was acting all tired and what not when she arrived.They they asked if she was alright to watch the kids and she said yes so they go out for the night and return the next day and find out that their kids drowned because the sitter knocked out and they went into a nearby pond.
So who is to blame
The girl for drinking when she is supposed to be watching the kids
Or the parents for allowing someone who is drunk to watch the kids.
Discuss
Both. more so the sitter than the parents, but both. Not sure what there is to discuss.
Yeah true that
But consider this
The sitter is being charged with involuntary manslaughter
The parents have no charges against them
Shouldn't they be charged with child endangerment?
Child Endangerment.. or Reckless Abandonment.. Neglect for the most part, these parents sound justifiably dumber than horseshit..
I wasn't aware being drunk was dangerous now.
[quote=Arwon;589239]I wasn't aware being drunk was dangerous now.
y halo thar DUIs
I think the parents of the children would be more at fault depending on how obviously drunk the sitter was. It really doesn't say though. If a sitter came in a bit tired and with a headache, I would've thought she'd be capable enough to keep them safe. If the sitter was nearly falling over themself and was slurring words then the parents shouldn't have let them watch the kids.
Unless the parents knew the sitter was drunk or had been drinking, I don't think they're to blame. It's not like they were at a BBQ with the sitter and knocking back drinks with her all night so they knew she was drunk and not capable of watching them. Someone acting as though they were tired is not even remotely similar to someone acting beligerantly drunk.
It all depends on how the babysitter looked. If it really was obvious that she was drunk, then I blame the parents for missing the obvious.
Seeing as you said she was knocked out, I guess she was drunk to a fairly noticeable level, so I'll say that the parents are more responsable.
What Vamp says - unless she got some sort of kick out of turning up drunk to babysit alone. Plus, she might have taken whatever alcohol not long before she arrived. Intoxication can take a while.
Is this some simple hypothetic situation or actual incident?
Well if they all agreed the sitter would look after the kid by law does that not mean the sitter became the guardian removing any fault from the parents?
In any case its the sitters fault if anything. If I agree with someone that they would look after something well, be it a child or whatever, and it is not it's not my fault.
I don't think sitters would be treated as day care workers. They're usually just neighbors or something, and there's no contract or anything that holds them responsible whenever the parents are gone.
I still say they're both to blame, but, of course, the babysitter holds the vast majority of the blame. The parents though, they should've known whether they could fully trust the babysitter or not. Of course there's no 100% guarantee either way, but the parents could've found out whether she's been known to drink a lot or not be fully trustworthy from friends or family. So I'd say, at least, a tiny bit of blame rests of the parents as well, though no where near enough to be charged for it; I'd think having your child drown is punishment enough for any crime they could be charged with.
Is this thing even real? Wheres an article link?
The parents should be charged with negligence, and the babysitter with manslaughter. As for moral guilt? They're all responsible.
This isn't even a real ****ing discussion.
You hire a babysitter to watch the kids. Therefore, she's ****ing liable. End of story.
If she goes there drunk saying she's tired, and it doesn't show, how is that the parents fault? They were probably like, "oh she's a little tired, but she'll handle it properly". I don't think it was "yeah she's **** drunk... let's take a chance."
She should be charged with manslaughter. It's her responsibility to watch the kids while the parents are away. That's what a ****ing BABYSITTER does. Because she didn't keep her end of the deal, the kids are now dead. Send her to ****ing death by black gorilla rape.
I think that it's the babysitters fault. She was the one responsible for the kids. The parents probably missed the fact that she was drunk. Maybe she was somewhat drunk, but not enough to really show it.
The parents probably feel guilty for letting her babysit, but I don't believe they should hold some of the blame unless they knew something was up with the babysitter. Otherwise I'm going with the babysitter getting manslaughter.
The parent's relinquished partial responsibility when they enlisted the sitter to tend to their children. Both parties are still at equal fault, yet I can't see how these people were even allowed to have kids in the first place having placed their children in the care of an intoxicated individual-theoretically speaking had the sitter actually been drunk upon arrival to job site. Drunk is drunk, when you've had enough you show signs **** it.
I know, I drink almost every moment I can't stand to sit there and idle. I'm a recovering alcoholic every morning thereafter. Lately, I'm attempting sobriety.
I say let the parents rot..
Yod dont know who drunk the sitter was or how she hid it you you cant say "lol its so obvious she was drunk".
Its not like the parents left the kids with a random stranger or a known peadophile. They left her in what they considered to be safe, good care and the court will recognize this.
Well thats settles it. Lets go get something to eat.
Pit speaks the most truth in this entire thread. I'd give him rep if I were as much of a rep slut as PHM.
Yeah,pit pretty much nailed it in the head.
The sitter. She shouldn't of been drinking in the first place. If you're looking after kids, you should never be hammered.
The only thing that we can say about the parents is that they're idiots for hiring an idiot to watch their kids.
THE KIDS WERE BLACK WHO CARES
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The only thing that we can say about the parents is that they're idiots for hiring an idiot to watch their kids.
That's pretty much my point of view. I only believe in hiring family members or extremely close friends to watch your children, since they'd most likely care the most about the well-being of the child. Hire anyone else, and getting drunk at "work" may not necessarily register as incompetence and negligence as much as it would a family member.
Vampiro and Skitzo Control sum it up very well.
[QUOTE=elle;604915]That's pretty much my point of view. I only believe in hiring family members or extremely close friends to watch your children, since they'd most likely care the most about the well-being of the child.
You mean like that close family friend who was caught molesting the 4 and 2 year old kids he was watching, and was imprisoned on his 16th birhtday? Lol close family friends are so safe!
Well then, it's a fact that kids just aren't safe these days anymore. If a neighbourhood kid doesn't get you killed, and a close relative doesn't molest you, than by *** your dad likely will.
Theres only one way to make sure a kid has a safe life and thats to abort it before it gets a chance to be drowned or raped!
Wow... that might be the wisest thing I've ever read.
[quote=Bebop;605064]You mean like that close family friend who was caught molesting the 4 and 2 year old kids he was watching, and was imprisoned on his 16th birhtday? Lol close family friends are so safe!
At least they have the most passion while killing/drowning/molesting. That's all that truly matters, isn't it?
There'll always be that worry of sacrificing your child's life for your own social life. As slight as a worry as that may be to some.
Solution: Don't have kids. Saves resources, and there's no chance something like this can happen.
but who will carry on the name of the Katzman clan?!
Don't worry, some desperate girl will eventually gag him, pull him into the bushes to rape him, momentarily look at his license to make mental note of his last name and later pop out another Katzman. Beautiful, really.
Funny thing is, that's like a dream come true for him.
'Long as she's 14.
But what am I saying? I plan to have many kids. Thousands, actually. You see, I give birth in colonies. I am the Katzman Queen.
Does hive-mind exist within your colonies? Because hive-mind is ****ing cool as ****.
*coldly nods* We are Katzman. We are one.
A team of one, dedicating your li(fe)ves to fighting crime and the forces of evil.
Oh ho ho you couldn't be more wrong. Don't let the powerpuff avatar fool you.
It's not fooling me. I have a feeling you're truly a redhead at heart.
Judge is a ****ing sick mother****er.
Okay, I think the thread served its purpose.