can't find my other thread

True story, guys. We went to a kitty adoption place hoping to get a cat. I asked about declawing... She really did have open flesh wounds all over the place.

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I thought that was pretty well drawn and amusing.

[quote=thread title]can't find my other thread

Are you looking for this?

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man, I used to know someone like that. Except they'd flip right the **** out whenever you mentioned it.

Funny thing is when we went to a different place, another hippie lady gave us some lecture about something. I kind of deleted that from my memory, so what she said I wouldn't know.

Oh, and if you guys couldn't tell, I drew that on a napkin.

It's cool because people like that almost make you not want to adopt a cat. How utterly counter-intuitive.

If you actually knew what the declawing process consisted of, you wouldn't be asking about it.

I do and I would and I have. Cats won't remember it, doesn't affect them long-term, but it sure as hell affects me and my furniture long-term.

What annoys me is when they declaw big cats like tigers at zoos. I don't know if they still do it very often, but I've seen a few instances where they experienced complications that caused the animals to become paralyzed in their front limbs. :(

Also, why declaw a ****ing tiger? It's not like it's gonna scratch a gigantic couch or something, and if it wants to attack a human, it will just pounce on them and go for the jugular.

Well, if you just keep their nails trimmed it shouldn't be a problem.

I'd like to let my cats outside without the risk of them getting ****ed the hell up by some random farm animal.

Pro-claws.

We're getting a fully domesticated cat. It will never go outside for any reason. That means no claws. I know the process. It's not painful since the kitty is asleep during the cut. The problems come if the cat goes outside or doesn't adjust to the cutting like most cats do. Think of it as circumcision. :cookie:

Except it's not like circumcision at all. :cookie:

It's more like getting them spayed or neutered, but only worse since they normally use their claws on a daily basis for the most basic things.

I've had a declawed cat before. It didn't affect her lifespan at all and it didn't cause any health problems. The furniture wasn't ruined. Wahoo. My current cats have claws though and the only furniture they've ruined was some old seat with a thin layer of fabric and a knit blanket. If anything's messing up the furniture it's the massive amounts of hair, which can be cleaned quickly and easily if you're not a lazy slut. My clawed cats are very playful, are better with jumping, running, and at least have some way of defending themselves.

I suggest you take time out to think exactly how much humans need their nails and toenails and how much they need to be used for basic tasks, and try to understand that cats need them just as much, if not more. Maybe spend a day with scotch tape over your fingertips.

Besides, if you're just worried about furniture, I suggest doing what Angelwing said. Get a scratching post and punish them if they try scratching at your furniture. A good thing to do is spray them with a little water whenever they try doing it. Eventually it'll become second-nature for the cats not to mess with your furniture.

Uh, nails help balance, and I'm pretty sure cats like to run around and jump on things. But clearly it's more important to remove their nails rather than allowing an animal to use a natural defense mechanism. That's just silly.

Seriously, look at the difference between a cat with nails and one without, and how they react to people. The ones without nails are timid and usually hide. I'm pretty sure they generally dislike being held too. Cats with nails are generally more friendly because they're more able to quickly react to danger.

I don't care what you do with your own cats, Vamp. It doesn't affect me and there's nothing I can do about it. Still, the ****ed up statement that cats don't need their nails is something I'd like to correct.

Eh. I have two cats. We've had them for five years, clawed. Our furniture is never touched. Get a carpeted scratching post. They're great cats, much better than declawed ones I've seen. Not only can they effectively live outside, (we let them in and out as we please), it's just uh, more natural. And playing clawgames with the cat is fun. :cookie: I'd rather have a bloodied arm playing games with my cats than have a wussified declawed cat.

This cat isn't going to be just a pet. I'm not going to have children. This cat will be like a baby to us, and we're giving it all the love in the world. We've been looking for breeds that are usually playful in nature, which means claws are irrelevant. We have leather couches. By all accounts, the couches are more expensive than the cat. Eventually, the cat will be more expensive than the couch, but by the time that happens we'll have even more expensive couches. We also have low-lying stuff about, like speakers, boxes, DVDs, cables, etc. Claws won't mix well with the stuff we have. You guys also forget that we're supposed to maintain a professional and/or attractive appearance, and claw marks are very ugly.

Circumcision is an unnecessary practice that just makes things easier to maintain. Pain involved? Yeah, but the baby won't remember. Declawing is an unnecessary practice that does just that: makes things easier to maintain. It's even better because they're actually asleep during the process.

Cutting off genitalia sounds so much worse, seeing as how you're destroying the rest of their sexual life.

If you guys are up in arms about nails getting off, you guys shouldn't spay or nueter pets, either. :)

[quote=Vampiro V. Empire;576953]Oh yeah, I remember my cats constantly falling off banisters and railings... oh wait, they still had perfect balance. But wait, defense, OF COURSE! I mean, my ***, there's so many things they need to defend themselves against... inside my house. Hahaha, oh wow. I can already tell this is going to be one of your classics.
Nails do affect balance. I don't give a **** about your personal experiences, because nails are often used for climbing and jumping. Sure, they can do it without it, but it'd be like trying to use completely bare fingers or trying to drive with tires that have absolutely no traction. As for defense, sure chances are some one isn't going to break into your house and steal your cats, but you're honestly not so stupid as to think that's the only scenario in which they need to use their nails. They use them for simply games and interaction.

And yeah, this is probably going to be another classic. You speaking out of your *** for half a page, then trying to patronize me for engaging some one who obviously has no idea what they're talking about. Very mature.
[quote]Wrong. So... so wrong. All of my cats have been very affectionate and love nothing more than to cuddle with you or be held. My current cat is very outgoing and will love anyone who comes around. My other cats have been defensive if you're a *****, or just completely laid-back otherwise. None have ever been timid, none have ever hid. It's the house they're raised in, genetics, and how they're treated. It has nothing to do with the nails, especially if they've never even felt threatened before.
Cats are instinctually threatened. You don't have to pull a knife on them for them to automatically fear some one. Let's say you have no weapons on you and your physical condition isn't nearly good enough to come close to winning a fight with anyone. Some big burly man is following you down a dark alley? Would you not try to avoid him? Same thing with cats. If they feel threatened and can't defend themselves, they just hide.
[quote]Indoor cats do not need their nails. End of.
Humans don't need a palm, heel, body hair, outer layer of skin, teeth, 2 kidneys, or 2 eyes either, but it's a pretty ****ing restricted life without them. Don't be an idiot.

Eh. I'd rather have my cats clawed anyway. You don't have to go through the procedure, so it's a little more convienent. As for cats clawing up furniture, speakers, etc, that's a big stereotype. ;| The only thing my cats claw are their scratching post, and sometimes the carpet. However, they do it so little on the carpet that it's not noticeable. If you have a leather couch, don't expect a cat to come up and start clawing it, because they won't.

Tut tut.

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