AS MUCH AS I "LOVE" NINTENDO; AS MUCH AS I NEED TO GET THIS OFF MY CHEST...

I'm a pure Nintendo fan who's loved Nintendo ever since the SNES days and I still do. I love the N64 and the Gamecube as well, even though these two systems didn't earn the recognition and success they deserved. But I do appreciate Microsoft and Sony as well (I own a PS2 and an Xbox.)

But I must say that I'm somewhat disappointed with Nintendo's new generation console, the Wii.

Sure the system is innovative and still has many great games to come which I believe will shake the gaming industry. But what disappoints me is the fact that the Wii isn't really a new-generation console when it comes to hardware strength. The Wii is just about as strong as the Xbox which is really pathetic. Nintendo has always covered themselves up by saying that graphics and hardware aren't important. Maybe that was no problem in the past, because the N64 had the strongest hardware in its generation and the Gamecube has a stronger hardware than PS2's and comes close to Xbox's.

Well Nintendo, GRAPHICS AND HARDWARE DO MATTER NOW, especially with the 360 and PS3 out there that are blowing gamers with their marvelous technology and amazing graphics. YOU NEED TO FLOW WITH THE RIVER NOW!

Now I bet many of you right now are probably ready to say that why would you pay an extra $200 for the Wii just so the Wii can match up with the 360 and PS3 in terms of hardware? Nintendo probably tried to make the Wii as cheap as possible and therefore didn't put a lot of technology in it. But that's still no excuse for the pathetic hardware the Wii has when compared to the 360 and PS3.

By this time many of you might be wondering: "What are you saying?" **All I'm saying is that Nintendo could've added a little more horsepower in the Wii, to make it AT LEAST 2 times stronger than the Xbox.** With Microsoft and Sony out there competing with each other to trying take the 360 and PS3 to their full potential, it will really be hard for us gamers to be pleased with Wii's weak hardware and graphics. We haven't seen anything yet from the PS3 and 360 in terms of graphics. And when we do, Nintendo will be at stake for choosing to stick with "which will soon be, old technology."

But Nintendo has already proved that they rank #1 when it comes to gameplay and fun. But they are moving backwards when it comes to hardware. Still, the Wii so far is very successful as it is outselling Sony and Microsoft. But who knows what will happen when Microsoft and Sony plant their feet hard and begin showing what their consoles really got.

Now all Nintendo needs is:

Gameplay + GRAPHICS and that will truly =success.

As a fellow hardcore Nintendo fan, I agree. I don't think it's worth getting that upset about, though. It's over and done with, and I don't think Nintendo wants to shoot themselves in the foot by releasing an upgrade of some sort, making old Wii's unable to play newer Wii games.

Who knows? Due to the lower-grade power of the Wii, Nintendo could be the first one out of the gate in the next generation, giving us greater power than the ps3 and 360, and the functionality that we enjoy with the Wii. Nintendo's always working on new hardware, so I'm sure they've already got the estimates on how much power sony and Microsoft would add to their next machines.

Low-end graphics = less high-end technology = low price = good for casual gamers and those who have never touched a game before. Read: those that Nintendo wants to bring into the gaming world. Obviously they could do both, high-end graphics with high-end gameplay, but then consumers would have to spend $400 which a lot just won't do.

spoilers: I didn't read your post. So if what I said had nothing to do with anything, that would be why.

That's no excuse. For only $50.00 dollars more than the cost of a Wii, you can get a core Xbox 360

Why would anyone go and do a thing like that?

Shouldn't Wii games be cheaper than PS3 games? :confused:

Well the power bar that my wii is connected to costed more money than the wii it self lol.

power bar = $300
wii = $250

lol

I, being a hardcore Nintendo fan, really don't care.

Every generation, the main edge in next-gen consoles was the graphics upgrade.

I mean, it's a repeating cycle.
SNES was an upgrade of 2D graphics
N64 was a new graphical style, 3D
GC/XB/PS2 was an upgrade of 3D

Now with these consoles along, all they're updating is all the extra crap the console can support, and of course, the graphics. Graphics have reached the point where they can be upgraded, but it doesn't change the experience, except for looking really nice. Anything that was really necessary for a good looking game was finally achieved with last generation. Now, it's just little touchups that make it look even better.

I know the argument here is that Nintendo needs to keep up with Sony and Microsoft technically, but I think if they really jump into next gen, instead of touching their system up and installing microwaves in it, that overrides its lack of graphical power. Sony and Microsoft have great hardware, but they lack the new thing that truly makes a new jump in gaming, which Nintendo is taking advantage of.

Besides, Wii's graphics aren't that bad. Sure, they're crappy compared to the 360 and PS3, but they're better than last gen's, mostly. At least, the potential is. I don't think there's any games that have come out that have truly utilized the graphical power.

I dont really mind to be honest. It would be size if Wii had graphics on par with 360 and PS3 but it would also be nice if PS3 and 360 had a controller as good as the Wiimote. Meh.

No it wouldnt.

Yes it would.

You say that but your wrong. We all know Wii has controllers to make games better to play with the added benefit of making them more relexed too. Depending on the game of course.

Wii Connect 24, low price, low development costs, familiar architecture cheaper games, more room for originality in games design. Those are the reasons behind Wiis lower specs.

I'm getting really tired of repeating that to n00bs.

Does anybody literally "WOW!" over graphics? I never have, nor met anybody who has, really.

I liked pretty games. But I will complete forget about it when I'm into a game. When I got Resi 4 I would occasionally admire some pretty thing but I will soon forget it all together if I'm really into a game. Same goes for Wind Waker.

Graphics don't mean a good game. I would totally play Street Fighter II, rather than some new kick-*** game on the PS3.

The only times I recall ever going "wow" were after seeing KD3's crayon drawing-like graphics, and seeing cel-shading for the first time.

Mario 64 - "Wow"

yea the graphics always give me "Wow" moments too, like when I saw screens for Assassins Creed and Unreal 2007. I agree, the explosions in Lost Planet in HD are so awesome. And that helicopter crash scene in Gears of War. Wow.

The level in Gears where it's raining got mad wows out of me. I just stared at everything in the level a lot.

I don't get why people are bringing up the Wii's sales as a negative thing, they're going like hot-cakes.

Wii has internet capabilites.

Unless youre just talking about online games? In which case you're an idiot because there are going to be online games.

Gamers don't need fancy things like HDTV graphics, 20 button controls, and expensive DVD players added in. According to Nintendo, they don't need affordable games, adequate console shipments, and good online gameplay, either.

Then again, I don't have to buy the console, so it really doesn't matter. It's just rather sad that they didn't learn from the DS that the friend code/no contact with anonymous people policy does not work.

You are new to these forums, hypnotize, which means you're also new to the concept of "opinions," because this is the only forum in all the internet that offers a simple three step program to help you learn about them:

Step 1. Ponder the way that you feel about certain products and corporations.

Step 2. Drink a nice tall glass of Shut The Hell Up until you can think of a way of expressing those feelings in a way that doesn't assume everyone was just ignorant of what you're saying, instead of outright disagreeing with you.

Step 3. Post away.

You may feel Smash Brothers doesn't compete with those games you listed, but I would rather be forced to play Smash Brothers using only Mr. Game & Watch for 2 weeks straight than play Halo or Gears of War online for an hour with no restrictions. I just don't care about them.

Other Nintendo games that would be/are fun online? Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Star Fox (dogfights), Zelda Four Swords, and Wii Sports, off the top of my head. If Virtual Console games could be re-worked to include online play, there's a great back-log of past titles, too. You might not be terribly excited about that, but other people can be.

Wii's internet system is crap. The friend codes and all that is bull****.

Well, at least for the Wii they have only one FC per console, as opposed to the DS's one per game. :cookie:

oh shi- Could've sworn it was stated somewhere that FCs would be for the console, and not the games. :(

[QUOTE=hypnotize_;527057]I said lack of internet meaning now, not in the future. How does that make me an idiot?

Because it does have internet. You can surf the net, send messages, send Miis, download games, check the weather and news and receive updates. How is this not using the internet?

[quote]For example, how would you play Zelda, Metroid or Mario online?
4 Swords, Prime Hunters and every single Mario game with multiplayer. Come on, you're not that much of an idiot are you?

I have not done anything with my own own friend code, but there are tons of them posted on GameFAQs. Everyone there only has one, so I'm assuming those are for their consoles, and not any particular game.

I'm not looking it up. You'll just have to take what I say as gospel, 'cause it is.

Seems stupid for the console to have a number but need a seperate dumber for every seperate game. Im going to add this to my 'Soul is a liar book'

Well I'll add it to my "Bebop is wrong" book, which so far pretty much just consists of Banana Blitz being good.

It is good ****** and you know it.

The wii has plenty of power. It's just that most games so far have been rushed and crapped on by the developers - call of duty 3 was extremely rushed, for example. Look at games like Mario Galaxy. Hell, Rebel Strike, the first party GC game, looked great. The Wii will be able to handle games that look way better than that. Developers just have to get out of their "rush every game" stage.

You can send Wiis to other people you liar

[quote=Victorious1;524257] ..with the 360 and PS3 out there that are blowing gamers..

I ****in' knew it, so that's how Sony and MicroSoft have been handling their fanbase. With sexual favors?

Myself personally owns a Wii, and I think its amazing. This is probably because I have all the good games for it.

All one of them? LOL!!

Holy ****... that's like... THREE GAMES!

s0ul and Vamp for guys taking the way too easy bait '07.

In other news, hypnotize__ needs to return so he can be enlightened. With strong words.

Slow pitches right across the plate are the best ones.

Nope. It pretty much seems like you're saying Nintendo should have us shoot peoples brains onto walls on the Wii.

Attracting adults doesn't mean putting out countless GTA-clones and thousands of mindless shooters.

Brain Age get?

I DO realize that. And I'm saying that it will be hard for Nintendo to attract hard-core mature audiences with its weak hardware...

Ps2 had the weaskest hardware last generation and 'mature' owners ran open arms to that console. lol wut?

If anything, Victorious1 should be referring to games, not hardware.

GAMECUBE didn't really have a downfall. It just kind of fizzled out. And if GAMECUBE's major malfunction for you was "stupid" games, then why didn't the ps2 fail because of the dozen Mary Kate & Ashley games, Barbie Horse Adventures, the countless random TV show garbage games, etc.? Name your "stupid" games on the GAMECUBE, and I'll name you 10 similar ones on the ps2. Conversely, my opinion is that GAMECUBE's good games were on a level far above nearly all of the ps2's.

How many Rayman/Spyro games are Gamecube-exclusive?

Indeed. The Wii can do anything that's been done on the 360 and ps3 up to this point, just at a lower graphical benchmark. The SNES could only pull off a handful of games from the GAMECUBE's library like Viewtiful Joe and Alien Hominid.

[quote=Victorious1;531108]THAT'S BECAUSE THE PS2 DIDN'T TECHNICALLY FALL "THAAAAAAAT" FAR BEHIND FROM XBOX AND GAMECUBE IN TERMS OF HARDWARE.

The PS2 to Gamecube and Xbox WASN'T like comparing the N64 to Xbox. But in Wii's case, its hardware compared to the 360 and PS3 IS like comparing the SNES to Gamecube. And that's a big, big difference. And all I'm saying is that that could be lethal for Nintendo.

Why? Because once those "Mature" gamers see what the 360 and PS3 have in terms of technology and hardware, their standards for Mature games will be very, very high (technologically.) And unfortunately, Nintendo simply cannot meet those standards with Wii's weak hardware. Maybe Nintendo can, because they've always ranked #1 when it comes to gameplay, but as far as hardware........well.....ha....good luck....

PS2 had no graphics chip to speak of. Get a clue.

IF I MAKE REALLY LONG POSTS TOO, DOES IT SUDDENLY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? IS THAT HOW THE INTERNET WORKS?