Kramer Goes Krazy

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-T7uKvpzVXI

Oh, man.

He went a little overboard, but I think we was trying to make a point about how words can hurt people so much, even though they were just words. I really doubt he's a full blown racist though :/

In his apology, you can actually tell he's racist, from tidbits here and there, but you can tell his apology is sincere.

Is he a racist, yeah, but who gives a ****. Racism is everywhere in the U.S., some more than others. I don't think he did this to be racist, as Ant said, but mainly to **** off the black people who were heckling him and being disruptive in the audience. I mean, you call a black person a ****** and there's no response they can give you other than beat the **** out of you. It's an insult that's hurtful and that's really hard to retort to. So to shut them up, he called them a ******, but by making the point on how words can make people shut up and be hurtful.


Black people should shut up and stop playing the race card. So he called them a ******, and the black guys called him a cracker.

Wow, apparently he's a sh!t comedian if he can't take being heckled.

I don't know that he's automatically a racist just for saying that, as it could have been just an underthought way to get his point across, but it was stupid of him to do that kind of thing. I think he took it a little bit too far on that stage, though. The other guy called him a cracker, so I say they're even, plus Kramer totally apologized. His comment was directed at just one person. Anyways, I won't argue anything. That's just what I think.

he got ****ed about them interrupting him and went for the jugular. It worked. Surprise surprise. The thing is, I hate that ****. Loud f*cking black people. I walked out of a movie and got my money back because of that crap. They heckled me as I walked out, because I came to see a movie and not hear them yell crap back and forth to eachother. It's total bullsh**, and I can understand where he's coming from. Ignorant white people annoy us with their mullets and their racism and their over-zealous religion, but ignorant black people are loud, obnoxious, and think that the fact that they are black somehow excludes them from catching heat for their actions. The fact of the matter is, that it does. In this society you're expected to put up with black people who act like delinquents because they're black. Don't deny it, at least I know it's true down here. White people are hesitant to tell black people to be quiet or settle down in public, because they're that edge where you think that somehow you'll be labeled a racist. It exists, people. Quit ignoring it. I think what he did was wrong, in that I would have called them alot worse names not evoking race, but I won't say anything bad about him because I know how he feels and I've been there. I'm tired of people being afraid to stand up to idiot minorities in public, and while his delivery needed work I applaud him for clearing those bastards out. And for the record, he did a bangup job in seinfeld and UHF, so I'd hardly say he's a ****-poor comedian because he went off and insulted some hecklers, Arwon. I'm tired of people acting like peices of garbage to famous people just because they're famous. Hecklers are in sports, papparazzi, audiences, etc, and it's retarded, because somehow people always get so upset when the person being heckled does what is HUMAN and retaliates. Oh let's just conveniently forget that the person being heckled was coaxed into it. I swear you people are so gad**** stupid sometimes.

He apologized on David Letterman last night.

I'd like to hear just how much these guys were heckling him before he went off. Being who I am, I'm inclined to believe he wouldn't've exploded like that unless they were being real *******s, but I'd still like to hear how bad they were.

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Good times.

i'm sorry BJ, but shouting streams of hysterical abuse is pretty much textbook "bad comedian" (well, unless your act is that you're a crazy drunk or something). I'm sure you can imagine the awkward silence in the club after that tirade, that's not good comedy, that's not some victimised hero standing up with courage to the nasty darkies, that's a guy more used to acting than standup having no idea how to handle heckling. Did his response get a laugh? Or did it kill the laughter? I doubt it was the former.

He was a good actor on Seinfeld, but now he has lsot his talent.

I find it interesting how the whole audiance laughed when he made the lynching joke, but as soon as he started with the n*gger comments they all gasp and get up and leave.

At first I thought he was kidding, but then when he responded to the first comment, hell, it sounded scary.

Hm, I personally say that that was..Some form of racism, I've only learned about this subject for about a year now, so obviously most of you know about it more than I, but from what I see, he probably had a reason for the..'Joke'.

Yes it was very offensive, especially saying that around black people in the audience, but if they had a deal with it, they should've just calmly got up and walked outside, as a couple did near the end.

If he apologized and thought it was not offensive and NEVER does it again, I will forgive and forget, because I never watched Seinfeld, nor even seen the actor before.

Okay, originally it seemed like he was being overly racist to make a joke against some hecklers: 'see, you're shocked now. that shocked you,' but then it just morphs into 'oh wait, let's start calling all these people ******s simply because right now I've got a soapbox to stand on.'

Inexcusable. I didn't even know who the guy was beforehand and now I'm steering clear.

Quoting what I said at GameWire on the topic:

Then you're stupid. That was my point. It's not an excuse, no matter the situation.

Plus, you beat the **** out of girls and threaten to slam kids' faces into lockers. Well, try to beat and attempt the threaten. but whatevs.

Exactly.

"I find it interesting how the whole audiance laughed when he made the lynching joke, but as soon as he started with the n*gger comments they all gasp and get up and leave."

Did anyone else notice that too? I mean, saying that the guy should be hung upside down witha fork up his *** for being black didnt bother anyone, but OH NOES say someones a niggger and suddenly you're racist? If he had just stopped there and talked about hte point he was aking this wouldnt have happened, and the guys might have shut up. This whole thing seems like someones hangup over a single word, which is insanely retarded.

[quote=Lord of Spam]"I find it interesting how the whole audiance laughed when he made the lynching joke, but as soon as he started with the n*gger comments they all gasp and get up and leave."

Did anyone else notice that too? I mean, saying that the guy should be hung upside down witha fork up his *** for being black didnt bother anyone, but OH NOES say someones a niggger and suddenly you're racist? If he had just stopped there and talked about hte point he was aking this wouldnt have happened, and the guys might have shut up. This whole thing seems like someones hangup over a single word, which is insanely retarded.

That was the first thing I noticed. If he had left it like that he would've been okay. I found the first comment particularly hilarious because he just came up with it on the spot and it was an actual joke. Racist, yes, but it seemed like he was trying to offend them in return rather than spout out any genuine racism.

Wow, you're a moron.

So its okay to say that someone should be hung upside down while being sodomized with a cutting implement based on their race, but using a word that, proper in use or no, is actually used to describe the person in question and WHO NELLY YOURE A RACIST.

Considering the fact that, at that point, he could have gotten away with it as just part of the act, it makes sense. Pretty much after that most people started cluing in that he's pretty ****ing serious and it's not going to end well.

Plus, the laughter was a fairly awkward one.

It's not his fault the niggers were at his show.

Just shows how fast people work when stuff like this happens.

man, the internet wastes no time mining every cent it can out of people.

lol I'd buy it.

TShirt Hell is awesome.

It's the 'Fury' that deceives you It's all just an elaborate trap.

ITS A ******! HEY LOOK ITS A ******!

Classic comedy[/ninja]

My response to him hanging black people if it was 50 years ago: If it was 60 years ago, he'd be getting cremated with the rest of the Jews. Since he is, y'know, Jewish and all.

The Jews are cremated in Germany 60 years ago, not America.

While we're at it over 2,000 years ago he would have been nailed to wood.

Let him be racist. There's a little thing called "freedom of speech" that lets him say what he wants to say. There's also a little hting called "right to bear arms" that should let him know not to say the things he wants to say.

Skitzo Control, constitutional scholar.

I think what you meant to say was "IT'S A ******! LOOK IT'S A ******! IT'S A ******!"

Whenever I watch the Sein now all I'm going to be able to think of when I see him is this. I mean, of course I'll still enjoy the show, but I'll always think, "wow, oh yea he blew up on those guys in the comedy act" I think It'll be the same with a lot of people, but a lot of people will be crazy about it and refuse to watch (say a group of people I saw on Fox news a couple days ago, refusing to watch due to Kramer's little outburst)

Haha, the past few days that's what I've been thinking every time I watch it.

but I laughed :(

I think the audience stopped laughing after the first remark because they began to realize he wasn't fooling around, not because of the word itself. At first, it seems like he's just firing back, but then when a spring snaps in his head, they realize he's not fooling around.

Is he a racist for it? Yeah, I think that true feelings come out when emotions are running high and you're not thinking logically enough to hold back. Same thing happened with Mel Gibson (don't tell me it was the alcohol - I've been far drunker than that and have never felt any ill will towards Jews because of alcohol). We saw a glimpse of how he really feels, and now that his emotions died down, he can put on the PC-face again.

Aaand the apology:

[URL="http://www.break.com/index/kramers_apology.html"]http://www.break.com/index/kramers_apology.html[/URL]

"Afro-americans."

HAHA STEREOTYPES LMAO

anywho, I gotta agree with Bebop in this case. As I said, stereotyping and racism is a huge part of comedy. It's hilarious in a certain context, and completely deplorable in another.

OMG Spam you're racist. I hope the police come to arrest you and put you on a bus with all the other KKK members.

Well played.

Based on the outbreak, I wouldn't say he's conclusively racist. There have been times where I have been so ****ed at someone, I'd try to hit them where it hurts, be it their appearance, race, whatever, even though I really don't have a problem with it. I'm sure I'm not alone on this either. He regrets doing it, he apologized, forget about it.

I've actually heard that Michael Richards is a dick, in real life. Like the incident on the show "Fridays" with Andy Kauffman.

Anyway, Micheal Richards lost it, and that sucks for him. He's done serious damage to his rep, and his petty apology on Letterman isn't gonna quell all the black folks.

Yeah. It sucks because he played Stanley Spadowski in UHF, one of my favorite movies.

Now he's making the rounds on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton's radio shows. It's humorous to hear how beaten-down he sounds, as if he's a victim of circumstance here...

i heard about this and watched the video he went crazier than i had thought he went(frist time seeing the video)