I know there are the people out there (most of the people here) that just love to bash and hate on sony because they are sony but this seems to make quite a bit of sense to me. Getting a $840 system for only $600 seems like a great deal! Im not a Sony fanboy I just look at things from a even playing field. How could you say that a PS3 is overpriced when it costs $840 to make?
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746482p1.html
Because $600 is a lot of money. You're pretty stupid.
I had an analogy thought out about a blowjob from a beautiful virgin girl and anal rape from a big burly man but I'm sure you can all piece it together. (spoiler: it's about prices)
If Sony released a version of the PS3 that was bare bones, and you had to buy the hard drive and Blu-Ray player separately, and in total, those component parts added up to $600, I would have no problem with it. But the fact that in order to enjoy the console I have to stump up at least $500 is a large stumbling block. Compare that to the 360, which has a removable and expandable hard drive, an option not to get one, and a hi-def disc player add-on, which still works out cheaper than the core PS3, and I think that pretty much sums up why people are angry.
Yes. Definitely a descent. Say hi to Lucifer.
[quote=Cloudstud]How could you say that a PS3 is overpriced when it costs $840 to make?
Because it is not worth $600 dollars.
Yeah the only way i'll buy a PS3 is when its $150 in a Used Bin at my local EB or Gamestop.
I will be buying one and wii plan to get 1-3 games for both systems all this year ^^.
It's a decent deal because the hardware on the PS3 is a heck of a lot better than the XBox 360 and the Wii, plus, the online on the PS3 is free. Buying a PS3 is like buyinng a 60 inch plasma TV- sure, you may not need it, but it's still pretty awesome to have.
If you're going to start complaining about the PS3 being a bad deal, you might as well complain about the Wii, too. The DS Lite costs $100 less than it and is superior to it in virtually every way. You can't say that about the XBox 360 or the PS3...
If you throw in all the new technology in the playstation 3. The BluRay & Cell chips alone, it's a good deal. Bam, you got your bluray player and next gen system in one! The 60 gig harddrive, they should've made it swappable, but with or without the harddrive, it's still a good buy for games & media.
Yeah, it's excellent value. If you actually want or care about absolutely everything in the box. If not you're paying for something you don't need or want. With other consoles you can choose to add that and if you don't want it, you aren't forced to buy it.
Yes and that is my point. Im not saying its right for sony to make you purchase all the extras, but when you get down to it your getting hardware for $600 that actually costs $840. How can you argue that? Whether you want the extras or not is not the point.... (at least not for this thread) The point is that getting $240 off the hardware is a good deal. Most of you completely missed the point of the thread.
But everyone here is so set on bashing Sony its almost impossible to open a thread about anything Sony without it being completely put down.
Cost to make= $840
Cost to you = $600
Total Savings = $240
That is the point nothing else.
if u buy a ps3 for $600 then your carzy or u want it really bad but i migh bet one after they go down to about $250-$300
You're going to buy a PS3 after the eighth generation systems come out?
So, Cloudstud, if Sony made a line of PS3s that were repeatedly punched by George Bush, and George charged $20000 dollars for each punch so the PS3 ended up costing Sony $20840, but they only charged you $1000, are you saying that's an awesome deal because it only costs you a fraction of the cost to Sony? Hell no.
[quote=Pit]You know, if you're going to say something, make it be valid and make sense.
Your argument is something different entirely. He's saying it's a good deal due to the actual console cost being cheaper than the manufacturing cost, stuff that's embedded in the console whether you want it or not that actually not add on to the price.
How does George Bush punching your playstation add capabilities that are actually valid? :rolleyes:
The point he's making is that PS3 contains expensive stuff which nobody wants which brings up the manufacturing cost in the first place. He's just adding something else that's expensive and unwanted as an example.
Cost to make = $840
Cost to you if you buy it = $600
Cost if you don't = $0.00
Total Savings = infinite.
That's the point. I can't believe you're arguing that spending money on somethign you don't want actually saves you money.
hmm after GameMiestro comments other day i expected he would get response like this.
Cloudstud best thing you can do is not listen to these guys. These are same people who told me long ago that mario sunshine is the best game ever made. Buy the system because you want, don't let these guys change your choice on the matter.
It's a big rip-off
[quote=Unite]hmm after GameMiestro comments other day i expected he would get response like this.
Cloudstud best thing you can do is not listen to these guys. These are same people who told me long ago that mario sunshine is the best game ever made. Buy the system because you want, don't let these guys change your choice on the matter.
No one on this forum told you Mario Sunshine is the best game ever made, GTFO.
Im not buying the PS3 right off the bat because its too expensive for me. Its too expensive for most people which wasnt the point I was making. I agree with everyone that theres a lot of stuff included that may not be necessary that runs the price up. I also wish they didnt do that. Im just saying that for all the hardware you get its a good deal. Regardless of how you look at it.
Say if I went out today and bought a HD-DVD player. I don't have any HD-DVDs, and I don't plan to in the future. Is that a good deal if I only paid $800 for it, even though it cost $1200 to make?
Even though I don't have any plans to own any discs or use the machine in the future, doesn't mean I'm going to. But when I do want to have the functionality that the machine provides, I can get one - it'll be cheaper then, and even more value for money.
In case you need it hammering home any more, I'm going to go back to the previous point - make the PS3 a base unit, and have the Blu-Ray, hard drive, WiFi, everything, as an optional add-on to drive the price of the main unit down. Even if that means that all of them bought separately totals $600, then it's still a better deal than shoving everything into one machine. Because that way, the users can choose their machine's functionality. More people will be enticed to get one, and while the average selling price of a PS3 bundle will go down, Sony's profits will go up, because more people will be buying the machine.
tl;dr? Think again, go back, and actually think about it. It's obvious you've skipped over my posts in the past.
Ok then im sorry what I should have said is that its a good deal for the hardware and that alone. Not a good deal for all the consumers or the people buying it. I thought I made that clear before but i guess not. I guess even when I agree with everyone here they still find a way to argue....
The base unit would have a DVD drive, and the games would be on DVDs. As I've said before, there is no need for Blu-Ray discs for games.
This is just like the conversations my dad has with his girlfriend.
"Shoes aren't never a bargain IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BLOODY WEAR THEM".
You guys are dumb that i even have to sum this up for you. Stop trying to bull-sh!t ur way out of it. PS3 has better graphics than xbox 360. framerate might not be as good, but the graphics r better. the automatic harddrive is amazing, theres no way in hell i want one of those things just sitting arround beside my ps3, i want it inside it, its just smart. if u would want an external one just to brign down the money originally, ur dumb, no game saves. second of all, the blu-ray. The games run on this. ps3 based games WILL use this, like Resistance has. its high quality compared to the dvd-drive that the 360 has. lemme spell it out for u, 50 gb...or 8.5gb??? which ones better. hmmm. i dont kno. im speaking for everyone, why buy a hd dvd drive to plug in externally to the 360 if u cant even play games with it, when u can have a bluray built in that accually plays games and plays the blu-ray movies. Im probably not gunna buy a blu-ray movie ever, but it is still amazin for the game. the xbox will have trouble if it wants to try to make games for the hd-dvd players that u can buy externally. ps3 is high quality. yea u might have to pay a little more money, but if u cant handle it get a 360. but u'll be missing out on the blu-ray and six-axis. might not matter to u, but to some people it does. lastly, whoever sed "every console loses money at the beginning" obviously hasnt done their research. 360 gained money from their first 360 sold. dont bash ps3 when the 360 fans r the ones getting ripped off.
[quote=Anti-Muffla]You guys are dumb that i even have to sum this up for you. Stop trying to bull-sh!t ur way out of it. PS3 has better graphics than xbox 360. framerate might not be as good, but the graphics r better. the automatic harddrive is amazing, theres no way in hell i want one of those things just sitting arround beside my ps3, i want it inside it, its just smart. if u would want an external one just to brign down the money originally, ur dumb, no game saves. second of all, the blu-ray. The games run on this. ps3 based games WILL use this, like Resistance has. its high quality compared to the dvd-drive that the 360 has. lemme spell it out for u, 50 gb...or 8.5gb??? which ones better. hmmm. i dont kno. im speaking for everyone, why buy a hd dvd drive to plug in externally to the 360 if u cant even play games with it, when u can have a bluray built in that accually plays games and plays the blu-ray movies. Im probably not gunna buy a blu-ray movie ever, but it is still amazin for the game. the xbox will have trouble if it wants to try to make games for the hd-dvd players that u can buy externally. ps3 is high quality. yea u might have to pay a little more money, but if u cant handle it get a 360. but u'll be missing out on the blu-ray and six-axis. might not matter to u, but to some people it does. lastly, whoever sed "every console loses money at the beginning" obviously hasnt done their research. 360 gained money from their first 360 sold. dont bash ps3 when the 360 fans r the ones getting ripped off.
There isn't a single PS3 game that looks better than 360 games like Gears of War. Not one. In fact, games that have come out on both consoles not only look better on 360, but also run better and play better too.
PS3s GPU is nowhere near as good as 360s and it doesn't have as much RAM, it's physically impossible to have better graphics.
u just wait, ps3 just launched. the games will get better. Mercanaries 2. MGS 4. they'll get better. But Gears of War is one of the games that r so good u can't really say anything beats it, its a great game, but ps3 will have some great ones also. good point with the RAM though, that is a downfall :-/. Also, the day of the memory card is done. they r so useless now when the game saves r going to be like hundreds of MB each.
And as the PS3 gets better, so will the 360.
I don't know, I mean the HD-DVD player is *gasp* external.
yup so if the x box 360 gets better and the ps3, then we all win. wat r we argueing about. xbox will be a year ahead and ps3 will have some great games that use the blu-ray. we all win. awesome. the xbox 360 fans are happy and the ps3 fans r happy. both systems r worth the money. there u go.
Ugh.
Blu-Ray discs do not make the game better. Compression technology is evolving at pretty much the same rate that graphical techniques are - anything for the current length of games right now can fit on a standard dual-layer DVD just as well as on a BRD. The only company I can see using that much space is Squeenix, and then only for uncompressed FMV. There is no noticable advantage to having the drives in these machines.
[quote=Anti-Muffla]they r so useless now when the game saves r going to be like hundreds of MB each.
They aren't, they're not much bigger than game saves of last gen. The memory card is 16 times bigger, though.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Firstly, dubya tee eff. You need a Blu-ray drive to read a BDR, but you only need a DVD drive to read a DVD. Say you had a PS3 and all it had was an ethernet port and a removable dvd drive, with slots for adding a hard drive and a wireless card. You could buy the extras and it wouldn't necessarily cost any more than the whole system, but it'd be much better for the consumer. This is about the third time I've said this, ffs.
As to your second 'point', the data would be compressed quite a bit, but for the most part it's either lossless compression or such a minor loss that it's not noticeable. Also, Eternal Darkness is a bad choice of example - even if it was compressed to hell and back, which I doubt it was, it still could have fitted on the GCN's mini-DVD without having to do that.
And we haven't even touched on the advent of procedurally-generated content yet.
Oh I don't know. How about every game ever made.
Gears of War, idk
Is that your FINAL answer?
Compression, eh?
This is a game: http://212.202.219.162/kkrieger
[IMG]http://kk.kema.at/files/gfx/full2.jpg[/IMG]
Guess how big the game is? Yep. 96 KILOBYTES.
And with the PS3: The cost/preformance ratio is much worse than teh XBox 360. Microsoft used recent, but cheap and proven technology in their console. WHich means they get PS3 - level power at a far cheaper price.
Having more space will allow for more, but there is no way we need that much more and everything will fit on a DVD anyway.
higbvuyb - good try, but that's not compression, that's procedural generation at work.
Take my word for it, man. You don't need 25GB to store games. Next-gen PC games are coming on DVDs, and they use even more space than PS3 games ever will.
Hig raises an interesting point, by the way. Game data can be slashed to fit on a DVD. Not with compression, but with procedural game assets with no loss of fidelity. Loading times still exist, of course. But instead of loading reams of data into RAM, you're bringing across a little code and creating it there. Xbox 360 also has a gigantic advantage here.
for the technology included with the PS3 it is a slight bargain but for the average gamer it is definitely NOT.
Just so everyone knows, expensive technology does not equal advanced technology. The Gamecube was cheaper to produce than PS2 was, not only at when they were both out but also comparing their respective launches and was about 3 times more powerful. Not only that, it also sucks less power than the slim PS2. Only an idiot would say PS2 is better value because it's more expensive to make.
Just because it costs Sony more money it doesn't mean you're getting a better deal. It's like saying expensive apples grown on a beach are better value than slightly cheaper apples grown in an orchard, just because the first stupid b[COLOR=lightgreen]a[/COLOR]stard doesn't know a thing about growing fruit.
...apples can't grow on a beach...
anyway, you are forgetting what this arguement is about. It's not whether the PS3 is a better deal than XBOX 360, because XBOX 360 wins that one. It's whether its a good deal in general. It's a good deal in general if you like the Blu-Ray being internal and if you plan on buying the games that are coming out for the PS3. If you don't like the games that are only for PS3, then don't buy it, unless you really like that Blu-Ray Player.
stupid just because i generally dont like you
anyways even if you are gonna buy it and not play games on it its a good deal bluray palyers are around 1000 bucks now
[quote=Anti-Muffla]...apples can't grow on a beach...
And Sony don't make decent hardware. Jesus, way to pick up on the analogy, retard.
see you can't win with these guys muffla. u can't defend the ps3 for an instant without gettin a negative response out of someone.
Vampiro you must read on. It depends on what you are looking for that makes it a good deal or not. The Blu-Ray is useless if you dont want it, in the long run its the games that come out for the system itself that make it all worth it in the end.
[quote=Anti-Muffla]see you can't win with these guys muffla. u can't defend the ps3 for an instant without gettin a negative response out of someone.
No, you can't defend PS3 without coming out with total crap. Any idiot that's been playing games for more than 5 years can see that PS3 isn't up to scratch. This isn't the same Sony that made PS1, it's not even the same Sony that made PS2. This console is a total cock-up by their standards.
Yeah, pretty much. Take a look around the rest of the internet or even the world outside of the internet. Pretty much everyone, even big press like the Times and New York Times are saying that it's not worth the cash. It's definitely not just the few people of VGC.
Yup u guys are right, yes the ps3 might be a load of crap, maybe sony made some mistakes when putting their hardware into the ps3, it would just make the ps3 a bad gaming system, but thats only a third, or half of what the ps3 is really about. It can play blu-ray movies, which is all one must buy it for to save 400 bucks. Also, games coming out ONLY for the ps3 in the next like 8 months. MGS 4, Devil May Cry 4, Warhawk, Resistance, Mercenaries 2, and Getaway 3 (im pretty sure this one isnt for the 360.) If you want these games, then you should consider ps3. The Wifi internet comes in handy for me because right now i have to run the cord all the way downstairs and through the kitchen to get to the router. Yea, this is the most expensive console ever, but ps3 is still worth it for the blu-ray and those awesome games coming out.
Call of Duty 3, come on, a launch game, one of the first titles ever made for the system. Of course its not going to be as good as the 360's. No one can use a cross console game to say a system is bad, until about 6 months from now. If they are still noticeably worst than the 360's, then i'll take your side on that.
it's not helping when the majority of their buyers were skypers and techies using it as a cheap entry to blu-ray HD. I'd get the 360 and buy the add-on for an extra 100 bucks.
[quote=Vampiro V. Empire]Also, just a fun fact, I plan on buying a PS3 within the next six months. No matter how many times I might bad-mouth it. :cookie:
Ditto.. Even if the commercials make about as much sense as some of Stanley Kubrick's films. And it looks like the ugliest car-amp I've ever seen..
That's precisely the thing that annoys me most about the PS3. I know that whether it's in six months or a year after, I'll eventually end up owning one of the **** things.
Yeah, it makes me hate it more. Thus want it more...
Actually, if MGS4 is announced for the 360 I probably won't buy it. I'll just wait for my friend of sister to buy it then just use that.
You guys have strange way of doing things bad mouthing constantly a product you plan to buy. Seems ****ed up to me
I'm sure that by the time I do buy it there will be reason for me to like the system. It will have games that interest me, the promise of more in the future, it will be widely available, the online will work properly and any dodgy first-revision hardware problems will have been sorted out. It'll also be a lot cheaper preowned. It's just that right now I'm repulsed by the thought of laying down that amount of cash for that little substance.
I'm still confused as to why people have to hate the system just because they don't care for it.
Everything that's ever spilled out of your fingers onto the keyboard has been utter dross, Unite. Stop it.
And I don't hate the system. I'm appalled at Sony's gall in selling a piece of electronics equipment, half of which is hardly necessary, to people, when the games are sparse and the movies are overpriced. What's worth playing right now for PS3? Resistance and Motorstorm? For around the price of a decent second-hand '91 Civic.
I'm just not going to give them my money that easily. If Sony want me to pay for their system, it needs to become a system worth paying the money for. That's all I ask.
That is a bargon, even it full price PS3 is worth every penny.
Bargon. Yes, yes. It is a bargon.
Spoilers: The PS3 is pretty much broken in it's current state. What a few months and the maybe I'll agree.
The only problem we had with our PS3 was the third electric prong on the plug. I guess once it was moved out of the way it became problem-free goodness. So, yeah, not broken. :)