http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030922-115056-2744r.htm
ZOMG IM RACIST
If blacks, latinos and asians can have their clubs why can't whites have theirs?
GEE THANKS FOR CONTRIBUTING. THAT CERTAINLY WASNT THE POINT OF THE THREAD AT ALL.
Fact is that this is racist in the purest form. A person is being denied rights granted to others based solely on the persons race. Of course, for some reason people today think racism only occurs when whites show hatred for nonwhites, which is in itself a racist understanding.
I like how the NAACP spokesman says that it could morph into a racist organization after she graduates. That's irony for you.
First rule of Black Club. Do not talk about Black Club.
The superior race has to watch what they do, lest they rub their superiority in the face of lower races. It's tact, nothing more. Something blacks and mexicans don't even know the definition of.
Dont forget the gooks.
And *** help me if I ever met a mexigook. I might have to just beat the **** out of them right there. ****ing sushi tacos.
To be honest Im a bit wierded out theres race groups anyway. What do they do in these clubs? Meet up and have a chat? Seems gay.
They talk about how whitey is oppressing them.
Sounds like rule 3 to me.
Her reasoning for starting the group is good enough. European heritage is a fine thing to be proud of, and it certainly doesn't look like she's doing it to spite other ethnic clubs.
People confuse "White Pride" with "White Power" all the time. It's cute.
I guess I could understand being prowd to be of European heritage, so long as you're not French. You know what they say about the French, right? They hate our freedom.
There weren't ANY racial clubs at my high school. I was in National Math League, and there was kind of a racial issue because we had an exchange student named Zhuo Liang who was ridiculously good with calculus, but didn't a lot of English. Like, he read these books about mathematical theory for entertainment. Obviously, this guy was our team's pride and joy and our guaranteed win that year. Even math nerds have ambition and competitive edge. One time when we were on a Motorcoach (fancy word for "Tour Bus) going to Northern Arizona University, this dopey stoner white guy who just happened to be in math league suggested that Zhuo use the restroom, located at the back of the bus. Zhuo went into the restroom and shouted "I have to go to p*ss", and the dopey stoner nabbed Zhuo's Mandarin/English electronic translator. It was a fancy device. It would even say the sentence out loud to make sure you knew proper pronunciation. So the dopey stoner set it up to say "Zhuo Liang is a chode" over and over again, with the volume turned all the way up, and when Zhuo returned from the restroom and picked up his translator, it began exlaiming "Zhuo Liang is a chode", but because Zhuo wasn't familiar with the word "Chode", he stood from his seat and thanked everyone, stating that it was a great honor to be representing an American high school for Nation Matha Leg.
Interestingly enough, Zhuo was asked the question "What percent of 1.7 is 0.3?" with 4 seconds to answer, and Zhuo didn't know what he was being asked to do, so he responded "Two!", simply adding the two values together. And as a result of that linguistic mishap, we lost the final round and went home with yet another second place state trophy.
I see nothing wrong with Cracker Club.
First off, I totally support this girl, and see nothing wrong with starting a club centered around European heritage (although I don't see much point in priding oneself too much in something your ancestors did). The point is that this girl has as much right to free speech as does anyone else, and she therefore should be able to start up this group.
That aside, however, something struck me when I read that article.
Well, if the group was racist then the school has the right to dissolve the club. It's the school's club, even if they don't support the beliefs, so the school board can just shut it down if they don't want that type of image. Off of school grounds, however, they can probably start any group they want.
There is a club at my university called Euroclub, and a German friend of mine brought me to a few of the meetings while he was studying here. There didn't seem to be anything racist about it. It was simply a forum for people who were likely to have at least heritage and cultural customs in common and were from the same general region to congregate and socialise and participate in various traditions. And all non-Europeans were welcome to attend.
What I consider racism on a detestable level is the fact that scholarships for university students here are awarded based on a racial quota, and this was the reason my friend from Germany had no chance of being considered for one. I believe only two European students are awarded a scholarship each year, while the amount of students of mixed Asian/outside Pacific island descent who receive scholarships run in the double digits. Keep in mind, he was a student maintaining a 3.94 GPA in his first year in a foreign university where people didn't speak his first language. He needed a scholarship to continue his studies in the islands, and he clearly deserved it, but was denied it because of his nationality.
You have to consider that she knew she'd catch some bad publicity for this, though. That said, I support her. =/
I'd totally join this club.
We can then hang all the monkeys from the very trees they came from.
<3 this girl.
I'm offended by the poor grasp of geography and ethnography in all this. A Caucasian club should either be all about the history and culture of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_peoples]Armenia and Georgia and Chechnya and stuff[/url].... or include people as diverse as North Africans, Arabs, Pakistanis and Indians, Central Asians since they're all Caucasians, too.
More seriously. I was interested by this:
[quote]Why isn't the Latino club racist?
This struck me as interesting because 'Latino' is not a race. Latinos can be Europeans, Amerindians, Africans, or any mezcla thereof. It's an identity rooted in things like language, cultural background, and so forth, more than any hard racial identifiers. Kinda reminds me of when my flatmate tried to tell me that Spaniards aren't Europeans. And also of the way, say, Greeks and Italians are considered a different ethnic group in Australia but would just be called "White" in America... these issues of identity are a lot more diffuse and subtle than the term "race" makes them seem.
That's one of the biggest problems with "race issues" -- sloppy ill-defined terms. Race in America is usually a cypher for socio-economic and cultural distinctions. Americans don't like to talk about social class because that's one of those strange Old World concepts they were supposed to leave behind... so they talk about race instead. The fact that there's often a high correlation between the two makes it easy to do this.
The question here, fundamentally, is "why is white pride different from other prides, if indeed it is?" The question might be reframed as "why is pride in a mainstream/default identity different from pride in an identity defined at least partly by difference and marginalisation from the mainstream?" because it's a remarkably similar debate to the one over feminism and gender equality, or over the "straight pride" issue. Why are they different? Even if logically they shouldn't be, why do we instinctively think they are?
Given the slippery nature of race identity, and the different socio-cultural positions of different "races" it is really perilous to draw direct equivalency between different "race" prides. "White" is the default position, the "normal" race... the extent to which American (or Australian) culture is already "white" culture is often easy to take for granted... this is the concept of [url=http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html]invisible white privilege[/url] lingering throughout society. As a consequence, other cultures/races inescapably define themselves, and are defined by others, partially in contrast to the dominant culture/social group. A white person in America or Australia is not unavoidably, and constantly, defined and identified partly by their race whereas people of other 'races' tend to be. They can simply be an un-hyphenated American or Australian in a way which is more difficult for people of other races. This is not just due to whitey being bastards, but also due to pressures from within the group--anyone who's heard a black American referred to as an "Oreo" knows what I'm talking about.
The whole concept has also got unfortunate historical roots. To put it crudely, "white pride" can recall Apartheid, Montgomery riots, eugenics, exclusionary immigration policies and church-bombings. Ideas about white supremacy have a long history and have had deep-rooted effects on society, and like it or not, anything calling itself a "white club" IS going to hark back to that history of exclusion, oppression and persecution. "Black pride" by contrast, is almost inherently defined by a position of social and cultural inferiority owing to its own origins and history, and partly defined by the fact that it's "not white" and thus in a white-normative society, its nature is quite different. Sure, blacks can be racist but the concept of black pride does not carry those same ugly connotations.
As I said earlier, I liken this to the difference between "straight pride" and "gay pride" because it's a good clear-cut illustration of what I'm saying. A "straight pride" slogan makes us almost instinctively think of homophobia and anti-gay feeling. Why is that? Logically it shouldn't--shouldn't it just be the opposite to gay pride? But clearly that's nonsense... at a gut level we can see and feel that there is something unsavoury about "straight pride" and this is because culture and society make it so. "Gay pride" is, at its core, about not being ashamed of being gay. It's about having the pride to get out in public and say "here I am, I'm not hiding, deal with it". Gays and Straights are coming from different positions in society, and as a consequence you can't draw a direct equivalency between the two. Straight people don't need to do this because the sum total of society's norms and culture is pretty much on their side. "Straight pride" can be, and often is, rooted in a sense of threatened superiority in a way "Gay pride" isn't and cannot realistically be.
None of this is to say that this girl is being racist or anything, or even to express support for race-based quotas (that said, don't forget things like legacies and rich-people-bias are far bigger factors keeping entry into top universities difficult), it's simply to argue that yes, "white pride" in an American or Australian context is quantifiably different from other prides by dint of its differeent history and historical and continued dominant/mainstream position in society.
In other words: I think they already have a club for white history and cultural heritage and I'm pretty sure it's called History Class. And probably English as well.
[quote] He suggested that she change the name to the European-American Club so that the focus would be on heritage, not race.
Still genius, even if a mod deletes my post without explanation.
I never had to deal with this situation in high school. Then again, the high school I went to is in Texas. The school population was well under 1,000. We had maybe 3 Hispanic students and 3 Indian students. The rest were all white. I guess we really didn't have much need for 'ethnic clubs' of any kind. Personally, I don't see the point of having clubs of this type at all. If you want to know more about your ethnic background, then go to the library. Hell, take a friend if you're really feeling lame enough to do so. But, to form a club? Seriously, go get laid or something! A hundred years from now, it probably won't matter much anyway. There'll be so much cross-breeding that everyone will end up the same race anyway.
My school had one black kid and one jew. The Jew was expelled and the black kid was called Dan the N[COLOR="White"]igg[/COLOR]er. He was one of those tall, deep black kids too in a school of nothing but rich-ish white kids. Good ol' Catholic schools.
Thus, no need to clubs.
Ha ha get his. In my primary school I noticed alot of kids would go on holiday and return brown. I then assumed that Janita (an Indian girl) must go on holiday alot because she was constantly black. Bless.
My high school was about 60% white and 40% mexican. I could call them hispanic, but the mexicans were proud to be Mexican and preferred to be identified by their heritage rather than the fact that they grew up in a Spanish speaking family.
And the two factions got along really well.
But in my junior year, a few new kids came to our school, about 5 kids. And they were Neo-Nazis.
Now, I'm not a practicing Jew, but I am of Jewish bloodline. Everyone at my school knew that, too. I had quite a big mouth. Those 5 guys heard I was a Jew, and they all started coming to school with swastikas carved into their arms.
They showed up at Burger King, where I worked at the time, to kill me. Not beat me up, actually kill me. I was off that night, so instead they beat the junk out of one of my co-workers, a girl named Kirsten. That night, the 5 guys went down to Phoenix and dragged an employee of a mom-and-pop convinience store into the parking lot. He was an Indian guy, but they thought he was Afghani or Saudi or Iraqi or something Arabic. They threw the guy on the ground and kicked him in the head until he died.
The next time I saw them at school, one of them, the leader guy, had a swaztika in his forehead.
I went to the assistant principle and told him that I couldn't possibly attend school with these guys and that I was gonna leave his school if they didn't. And I had a 3.9 GPA and took our school to 2nd place in state in National Math League, so I was contributing a lot to the school. He sent me back to class and then I guess he suspended them and they just never came back, even after their suspension was done.
A funny thing almost happened to those neo-nazi guys. One of them was talking down to one of the Mexicans, and they ended up deciding on meeting on the football field after school. The 5 Neo-Nazis showed up, and the Mexican guy brought about 40-50 of his friends. Me and several others were sitting in the bleachers above the field, waiting for the show. Then the same assistant principal came running onto the field to break it up before it got going, and we never got to see that brawl take place.
I actually have seen that guy around town a few times. When I see him, I just turn my head before he notices my face, and I leave.
It sucks that I should have to do that, but I don't know what he's capable of, and my daughter is usually with me, so I don't want to start any trouble. I mean, even if she wasn't there, I'd still be opposed to starting trouble. I try to avoid physical confrontations when I can.
But if someone wants to argue/debate with words, I'm down for that, as most of you know.
They don't fight with words, they ****ing kill you. Like the superior beings they are.
Them's fightin' words.
shootin you with my 9mm text, *****
Wait, they assaulted an innocent burger-vendor and killed a cashier-veck but didn't go to prison? Uh?
I think that the club sound like an okay idea. And if the club turns racist then the school board can disband it. So i think they should let her form the club.
and is hating Emos racism?
[quote=Bebop;484247]First rule of Black Club. Do not talk about Black Club.
Second Rule of Black Club: No one cares about Black Club.
[quote=Beefcake666;530089]and is hating Emos racism?
No, you have that severely confused son.. That's more like "Natural Selection". "Survival of the fittest; you wrist cuttin', tear droppin' *****es."
Wow, the top 4 threads in this forum are now about race and racism. 5 if you count the rap thread.
You people are weird.