Ledger as Joker

No thread on this so might as well make one.

So Heath Ledger is to play the joker in the new Batman film. Jack Nichloson's role as the Joker was just short of an abomination. I doubt Heath will take it any lower. So..he must be good!

I didn't know there even was another Batman film. Awesome!

Nicholson's role was overrated tad. People just praised it because there was no other live action role to compare it to and people will thhink nicholson is a genius no matter what.

The Joker is a slim menacing violent lunatic.

Nicholson played a fat childish giggling idiot. Very different.

I think they should have gone with Mark Hamill. He did do the voice acting for the Joker in the animated Batman series. Pretty good too, actually.

Mark Hamill does do the voice but he doesnt have the shape. Shame.

Oh snao forgot about him. And I suggest you do the same.

[COLOR="Yellow"]Believe it or not that representation of the Joker in the 1960's television series was similar to his comic persona up to that point. It was a silly, goofy adaptation but a faithful adaptation of the comics from that time nonetheless, so why should we forget about him?[/COLOR]

My *** you really are a fool.

Anyways back on topic, I trust Nolan. He managed to pull Batman from the cess pool it was in so I cna't see why he'd mess up on the Joker.

[COLOR="Yellow"]If by "fool" you mean informed, you are quite right.[/COLOR]

No, fool as in you didnt actually understand the post. Everyone knows batman used to be a comedy. BASH BIFF BOINK etc

This thread needs more mention of Adam West.

The lease said about him the better.

Lol I bet Aioros comes in with "omg why SHOULD we not talk about him? he did PALY BATMAN YOU KNOW"

[COLOR="Yellow"]You still haven't specified why we should forget about Cesar Romero's Joker.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Yellow"]Did you ever think that maybe some people like Cesar's Joker and may want to involve him in the discussion? Have you ever seen the 1960 Batman btw? It was a da[COLOR="Yellow"]m[/COLOR]n fine show.

Try to keep up? You're the first one who brought up Nicholson's Joker and never mentioned we should only discuss his and Ledger's versions. LOL TRY TO KEEP UP!!![/COLOR]

Nicholson played the character well. I think it was the eyebrows.

Ledger would make a hot Joker.

I want more Scarecrow. Cillian Murphy won. My biggest complaint with Batman Begins was how unsatisfying his ending was. I wanted more hints as to where he ended up. He was too mysterious!

I've actually started to like Ledger lately. He was great in Brokeback.

Isn't Rachel Dawes related to Two-Face or something?

Brokeback Mountain.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005132/

Heath Ledger. He's been in some good films, such as A Knight's Tale, Brokeback Mountain, and Casanova.

Really the most important thing for the Joker is the voice IMO. Hamell nailed it but Ledger would certainly look more the part than Hamill and Nicholson.

Mark Hamill's great at voice acting. I saw the anime Castle in the Sky the other day and he did a terrific job at portraying an educated English villain. I hope Heath Ledger gives The Joker an Australian twist.

Ergh Australian Joker? No thanks.

Hmm... ok. I guess Ledger would be ok. I still think they should have picked Hamill. Maybe they could use Ledger, but then dub his voice with Hamill's?

We dont know what Ledger's voice will be like. Also that would be kind of dumb. Why change an actor if youre too scared to change the voice? Nolan's Batmans are all about change. Ya dig?

In what film?

Ah right. Hmm well he did have a thick accent and the black dude didnt have a body. Plus you didnt see his lips.

I don't want a familiar Joker. I want something new, something refreshing. I want my Australian Joker. Evil, sadistic, funny, and fanatical.

What about this guy?

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He would fit the part IMO. Especially since he, like the Joker is messed up in the head.

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=heath+ledger+joker

Some funnies.

Not enough of a laughing psycho. More like a creepy psycho.

Bah thats half way there isnt it? Really though he naturally looks more like the Joker than anyone else. Especailly Ledger and Nicholson.

Nicholson had the script down, which was actually a good portrayal of his character, in my opinion. Looking like Joker is different from playing the role convincingly!

Glover looks like a more calm fellow, to tell you the truth. Nicholson has always been kind of psychotic in his roles. Ledger is a leap of faith.

I like your idea about Edward Norton, Bebop. Not only is he a terrific actor but he can also play a good psycho/creepy guy.

He did a fine job. It certainly wasn't bad.

It truly was awful in terms of the character. Nicholson is good at doing crazy (The Shiining for instance) but the Joker is beyond insane. A big difference. he really just came off as childish and giggly. Look at the much darker Joker appearances in books and Nicholson's portrayal of the Clown Prince of Crime comes off as tame at best.

That's not entirely Jack's fault, if that's at all what it is. You have to take in account that Tim Burton probably wanted something a little different from his Joker instead of an exact replica. Tim is a guy who has a unique vision, so I'm sure he's not trying to do everything too precise.

Tim Burton also likes to be dark. Why would he chose a tamer version? It is still Nicks fault somewhat. The script might have already been set and naturally the Burton would have decided how he acted but I feel someone like Nicholson should have been able to dig deeper into Joker and convince Burton (what with his reputation and power) that it is what Joker should be. Christ man, Danny DeVitos Penquin was more insane than the Joker! The Penquin character is one of the few Batman villains who isnt crazy!

Tim's never gone too dark. Tim is more silly than he is dark. I thought Joker was crazier than Penguin.

True Burton never goes that dark. But still he should have pushed Joker further. Hmm perhaps the studio didnt want to scare kids.

The Joker is crazier than the Penquin. Just not in the films.

Penguin is actually insane, not just crazy (as in, crazy being less insane than insane.)

Also, I'd like to see the new Joker without any makeup and not as insane, in the literal sense, as he is in the comics. I kinda want a dark, troubled character, not an insane, over-the-top villain. Which is why I liked Sarsgaard so much for the role.

I don't know, insane and over-the-top is really what makes Joker. He'd be just another villian if he wasn't clowny and nuts.

His personality traits are just as important as his appearance. It'd be like taking the Bruce Wayne playboy out of Batman. Wasn't it revealed at one point that that was the way his skin actually was?

I'm pretty sure makeup, dyes, and prosthetics have come a long way since then, so the skin and hair and appearance of Joker won't look so fake. I believe in the series and comics he was exposed to something that made him his Joker self, including his appearance. I bet they can make it look more realistic this time.

If I remember correctly, Scarecrow's sack face moved along with his own face as if all he was made out of was the sack. Scarecrow was still his Scarecrow self, only we hardly saw him out of his mask in the comics. Nolan, I guess, decided to expand on that, but he didn't take away what made Scarecrow himself: a dumb sack. And Scarecrow was played pretty well for a guy in a sack.

I think the scaryclownthing works well for Joker. His name kind of screams "insane jester", doesn't it?

I don't know if you are into Batman, but Scarecrow's story is pretty "real". He basically turned villian after being bullied. He ended up paralyzing his bully and killing the bully's girlfriend, he realized he was a sadist (in terms of scaring people), and that's where he began.

Didn't say anything about Joker's appearance, which I think is really important to his character!

Grim Joker is fine, so long as he's still off his rocker.

If I recall correctly, he is. He's just more dark and less of a... "joke." Pretty sure it's the Grim Joker who blows up Robin and paralyzes Batgirl. Good stuff.

I shouldn't even have to explain why that's a stupid and completely impractical idea.

... No... no, not at all.

k, so here's an image of Ledger as the Joker. Pretty cool actually. Oh, and buuuump.

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Assuming I can't hotlink: http://media.movies.ign.com/media/752/752133/img_4561412.html

Apparantly, this isnt the Joker. Exactly. Apparntly Jospesh Kerr (for sake of argument) dresses up as a joker like in this photo where he smears lipstick over his mouth but during a fight with Batman he becomes the Joker. That is to say Batman 'creates' the Joker. Meaning this photo isnt the final Joker. Which just makes it even awesomer.

No one said anything about Crispin Glover? I think he looks like the Joker without the make up on already.

I have to say I was skeptical at firsy, seeming how my wife just made watch (and I'm sorry for mentioning it and I know it's off subject) Brokeback Mountain. It's been kinda hard to take the guy seriously afer the whole gay cowboy thing. (I think the cowboy part was more annoying truthfully) But, I loved him in Lords of Dogtown and I have to say, he looks pretty **** cool as the Joker in the pic.I never got into Batman as much as I did X-men when I was younger and I didnt realize the Villains actually had such cool backgrounds and logical explinations for the way they are. Compared to Catwomans crappy story. From the look of things now I'd say Ledger should be great as the Joker.

This movie is going to be ****ing great. Christopher Nolan is one of my favorite directors.

Yeah, they went a little crazy with the movie. The only good part was Halle Berry in the black leather.

I thought the best part of Cabwoman was all the cheesy lines that were actually enjoyable. It had to be purposeful.

Ledger looks like a great Joker. I can't wait to see the film.

Go watch the trailer guys. It will certainly get you hyped. Joker sounds great and from what little I see, looks great too. There's still a chance of Scarecrow returning, too, but with all the other material already in the film (Harvey/Two-Face), I don't see much of Scarecrow happening. We wouldn't want a Spider-Man 3 anyway.

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I can't wait any longer. Ledger sounds great as the joker.

I think I'll have nightmares of that card flying towards my face and right before it hits I'll suddenly wake up.

Fantatstic writing was included with the first and this is looking to outdo that.

Someone needs to dub over you.

As unwitty as that was, its the wittiest thing you've ever posted.

Dubbing over with Hamils voice has been an idea that rised and fell as soon as people knew they were re-vamping the Batman films. If you cant see why its a stupid idea something is seriously wrong with you.