The rules here are a mess, both in the way they're listed and enforced. That much has been made certain by almost everyone here. So, I rewrote them. They're WAY less strict. So first of all, here they are:
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[center]VIDEO GAME CHAT RULES[/center]
[color=skyblue]RULES
1) No Spamming! It's a waste of your time and ours.
2) No Advertising personal websites or anything with a referral ID embed in the URL. Put that kind of stuff in your signature if you want.
3) No Pornography or other overly obscene content. Keep all posted material, including images, hyperlinks, and other stuff to a PG-13 limit.
4) Use decent grammar and spelling. Even if you're not that good a speller, or don't have the best grammar, at least try and make your posts legible.
5) Personal attacks on individual members are discouraged outside of the Flame Board. However, if you feel the need act like an idiot, expect to be treated as such.
6) If you choose to post with a font color, make sure it's readable. Some colors are difficult to read on Video Game Chat's gray background.
--» GOOD color examples: yellow lime lightblue
--» BAD color examples: red blue green
7) Creating multiple accounts, for whatever reason, be it you were banned or just trying to pretend you're someone else, is not allowed. Screenname changes are allowed, as long as it's not frequent. If you want a screenname change, PM a request to Jesse Smith.
8) Do not intentionally post spoilers for any video games, movies, books, etc.. If you're posting a spoiler, please use the spoiler tags ([noparse][spoiler]content[/spoiler][/noparse]). The spoiler tags will make the content in them invisible unless highlighted.
» Penalty for violations range anywhere from a friendly reminder via Private Message (PM) to a Temporary or Permanent Ban, depending on the severity.
» Temporary Bans range anywhere from 1 day to 2 years.
THE OFF-TOPIC FORUMS
» The Off-Topic forums are a place to meet and convene with the rest of the Video Game Chat community on subjects that don't fit in any other forum. A place for everyone to get to know each other.
» Threads in the Off-Topic forums, for the most part, will be allowed to go the way they're destined to go. Even if a post or the thread itself strays away from the original subject. Hence the term "off-topic".
» These forums exist as a place for people to speak their minds and just plain enjoy themselves, so moderation is lenient. Action will only be taken in the rare occasion that someone or something becomes completely out of hand.
WEB LOGS (BLOGS)
» Web logs (blogs) are personal forums given to members or groups of members for personal use. They may or may not have a specific topic.
» Virtually none of the above rules are enforced in web logs. Rules in a web log are usually set and enforced by the owner(s). The only rule that still applies in web logs is rule #3 (No pornography).
» If you would like a web log, PM or IM a request to a Super Moderator with a title and list of moderators. You must have at least 100 posts before you can get a web log. [/color]
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The first thing you probably noticed is that they're not elongated and repeated 2-3 times like before. They're short, to the point, and in some cases, in-your-face. This makes them easier to understand. Another thing you'll notice is I've gone ahead and just allowed name changes (rule #7), as long as it's not frequent. Jesse's been letting people have them through his "loophole" anyway. This just makes it easier.
The real reason I did this though, is the Off-Topic Forums. Basically, this states clearly what they exist for. It permits everyone to treat the OT forums the same way they always have been, since VGC was created, without worry. Basically, there's no need to stress on off topic posts in off topic forums; no need to merge threads just because they're common.
I did the same for Web Logs too, though it's less important.
Anyway, that's it. Opinions? Do we use these new rules or the sloppy rules we have now, and continue this endless arguement?
[quote]4) Use decent grammar and spelling. Even if you're not that good a speller, or don't have the best grammar, at least try and make your posts legible.
The moon will turn 2 cheese b 4 n00bies do that.
[quote]Threads in the Off-Topic forums, for the most part, will be allowed to go the way they're destined to go. Even if a post or the thread itself strays away from the original subject. Hence the term "off-topic".
It'll take a few chicks being de-moded for people to actually be allowed to do what the board is named...Off-Topic!!!! :D:D:D
[quote]I've gone ahead and just allowed name changes (rule #7).
Ack!!!! They should have to pay to get one!!! :D:D:D
Good. These are what the rules were more like back in the day, when it was y'know, more...fun.
IF U DOTN USE GRAMMAR UR BANNED FOR A WEEK
Eh. Leniancy is better, in my opinion.
I always thought that OT wasn't supposed to be taken literally and it was a general place for discussion (news, general discussion, etc.). Just because it's called "Off-Topic" doesn't mean that every thread is allowed to stray. There is a split thread option for a reason, you know. Also, I don't like when threads are thrown off by inside jokes. If I was a newbie, I'd feel left out and less inclined to visit (I know this from experience). If I see a thread asking about the moral issues of abortion, I don't want to see "Haha Vamp is going to have a grim baby". Just doesn't make sense to let it go on. I don't delete every inside joke, but that's a thread-to-thread basis. If the thread is more open to joking around, I let it go. But some topics, even at the request of the thread-maker, should be moderated.
And why the hell not merge threads that are essentially the same? Is there some kind of logic being used somewhere that I missed?
I've deleted posts that basically killed a thread, only to have it brought back by someone genuinely interested in the topic and the direction it went. This has happened several times, so I'm not just talking hot air here.
The new rules are fine, but I do not agree with just "letting it be".
Like I said in the other thread, I think you might want to add emulators or something about posting in the right forum.
I'd also like to know about posts like "lol," "quoted for truth," "that deserves rep," "**** you," "no u," and stuff like that. It seems perfectly fine to delete stupid posts like that and it doesn't really take away from the thread whatsoever.
Also, yeah. I don't think Off Topic should be taken so literally. Yeah, you can stray from the topic if you want, but chatroom behavior and complete derailments or unrelated posts shouldn't really be there. Before you go all out on me, let me provide an example. In the Mainstream thread in off-topic, Judge replied with "there was a farmer who had a dog and Bingo was his name-o
B I N G O
B I N G O
B I N G O
And Bingo was his name-o."
It wasn't really in response to anything and didn't make any sense at all in that thread. Should stuff like that really be advocated?
Let the thread go where it goes, Iris! You nazi.
If it naturally derails into another conversation, then fine. But that's a totally different thing. Conversation jumps like that shouldn't be allowed, especially if they're not even provoking a topic that can be discussed.
I'd add some rules about Rep. I've heard some delusions about the concept where Reputation "comments" are concerned, as if the rules of the board do not apply. A clarification would ultimately help out any disputes that may arise with that.
What I would like to know, Iris, is why are you trying to make a big deal out of situations that rarely EVER happen? I'm talking about "Intentional Thread Derailments" and "lol", "no u", "quoted for truth" posts. First of all, I don't think any respected member here is gonna intentionally derail a thread by means of, "I'm sick of this topic, time to change it." A thread's ability to hold it's original topic is usually based on it's severity and/or interest. As my [thread=17803]PETA video thread[/thread] in Off Topic deminstrates. Despite the topic being changed to this post deleing argument more than once (at your mercy at least once), it still bounced back, more than once. Second of all, posts like "lol" and "no u" and "quoted for truth" happen virtually never, even in Off Topic. So, you know, not a big deal, whether you delete it or leave it. If, you know, it happens like 3-4 posts in a row, then take action. That's what I meant by threads getting out of hand. Also, keep in mind I'm only referring to OT forums here. Threads in the video game forums should remain on topic.
And Lunairetic, that's what the rep comment system is for, foo'. They have limitations already set. You can't possibly use them to spam.
They happen more than you think, and sometimes they're more wordy like "NO U GO AND JUMP OFF A BUILDING". Same ****, more words.
All OT forums or just OT? CB is more like a hangout, so stuff could run freely there. Other places really shouldn't stray.
What the hell are you talking about, Linkman? Members make those kind of posts ALL THE TIME. As for intentional thread derailments, yeah, I'll agree it doesn't happen a lot, but it has before. Still, random posts which aren't even related to a topic shouldn't be allowed. That's what I meant by the whole "Bingo" post which made absolutely no sense in the thread.
In otherwords, as long as porn is posted in the reputation comment, it's okay, is that it? That's what I'm talking about. Like I said, I've heard the delusion that the comment system is an entire different entity than the boards, and the rules don't apply.
Bull**** they don't happen anymore. I delete 2 or more daily, and often from senior members. They're not all catchline ones, but I do stumble accross the occasional "no u."
Take it as you want it but people try and find loop holes. If the rules are not completely defined, people will attempt to abuse them. I'm just putting a suggestion out there that's been overlooked, you don't have to accept it but if you feel the need to lash out I think you may want to re-evaluate your position.
2 is more than 0, which you're claiming there is. And it does need to be addressed when arguments arise just because they're deleted. Two's just the ones I catch in the Off Topic boards.
It wouldn't be a problem if members would stop raising a stink because their precious "lol" was deleted. When they start *****ing because they can't get their merry way then it should be stated that those kind of posts are just going to be deleted, and that should be the end of it.
No one raises an issue when a couple of posts are deleted. It's when 100+ get deleted for no reason that they rightfully do.
I don't delete 100+ posts at once, and I certainly don't delete posts for no reason.
I deleted a post of Roger Smith's in the Demod thread. It consisted of "Shit." He and LoS both thought it was necessary to reply to the deletion. I deleted a post of rivercitytecmo's in the Mainstream thread. It was something along the lines of "lol" or "that deserves rep." Deleting that also caused a fuss from him.
I think if a post like that gets deleted, then whatever, the members should know there's no point in causing an argument. If the post was on topic and appropriate, then they can complain all they want. I'm just going to delete arguments like "THERE WAS CLEARLY HIDDEN MEANING BEHIND 'LOL' YOU DUMB ****."
That's just how people on Video Game Chat convene with eachother, with humor, and short to-the-point posts sometimes. What may seem stupid to you isn't to a great deal of others here. It's how everyone here always has been and always will be; you can't change that. Look all around Off Topic, it's everywhere, and no one but you and Fate has a problem with it. So why enforce something that isn't bothering others?
If someone quotes a post and says "lol", that's just a way of saying they're amused by the post. And "quoted for truth" is just a way of agreeing. Like I said, short and to-the-point. Altinure, and even I've done the "lol" thing before. You should really only worry if someone is repeatedly doing it or it's repeatedly happening in a single thread.
Didn't you just say it rarely happens? ;o
Firstly, I'm sure it's not just Fate and I who delete those kinds of posts, and secondly, being succinct is very different from treating VGC like a chatroom. That kind of stuff can stay in places like The Lounge and DA.
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Aren't we all just trying to live?
Those small comments should also be restricted to rep comments. *oscar*
But Fate, the removal of those comments will put discussion to a complete halt! They can't go on without them!
I'm not going to delete them in the mod board. Post them almost anywhere else and they're gone. =^___^=
Ok (short on time), replaced the old rules with the new ones. Made a few small changes and additions. Added a rule (or regulation; whatever) on posting threads in the right forum. Also, added a rule about illegal ROM discussion. Made a note about bright colors. I think that's it..
you should make a rule protecting blogs.
Example: Iris soft deleting 800 times and merging them with DA threads.
It's sad how she finds fun annoying people on the internet.
I don't see what's wrong with copying over my own posts. :D
I'm not deleting their threads. Blogs are personally maintained and allow spam. In fact, DA posts are generally spam, so if they want to take out mine instead of theirs then fine, but they can't prevent me from doing so.
Light shall prevail! :mad:
You're an idiot. DA isn't all just about spam. Sure the majority of it is, but they do it to a level in which it's tolerable and it's humorous amongst themsleves. What you're doing is merging 800+ soft deletes to basiclaly be a ***** because you don't like the people within DA.
You're just making it hard on them for no reason whatsoever. I would think you're duty as a super mod would be to protect the blog users once they think something is unfair. Whether their blog is spam, again, it's to their liking. What you're doing right now is unnaproved by them, so why are you continuing?
I don't mind a good portion of the people in DA. I'm doing this for drama. The whole "their spam is better" argument is null. If they disapprove, they can simply delete it.
I've had my posts deleted and edited multiple times in their blog. Rather than retaliating by editing their posts or deleting their threads, I just delete my post, edit it back, or just leave it alone. I'm only posting in their blog on a huge scale, and they can edit it just like they do my regular posts.
You're not supposed to edit their posts because IT'S NOT YOUR BLOG. Wacko, quit being so ****ing immature. They do it to everyone, it's part of DA.
Vampiro:
CJ says:
She isn't deleting threads or posts, no, but it's a malicious attack, no matter how you look at it. 800 solf-deletes will take a long time to load on any connection, even crashing the browser if it's too much. If that's not against the rules, what is? Porn won't shut down a forum, but something like this easily could. She's a super mod, but she's being a ***** for absolutely no reason. DA hasn't been causing any problems whatsoever so there's absolutely no justification. Plus, this isn't even the first time she done something like this. It's time to seriously consider demodding her since she's barely even wanted as a mod anyways, she just constantly causes trouble to "benefit the community" which this sure as hell is not. Hell, I could do a better job than she can, so can a ton of other memebers. She's not needed at all.
But if that's not a possibility for *** knows what reason, ask Linkman what a pain in the *** it is to actually do who job and clean up the mess. I'm sure he'll agree, to some extent, that something needs to be done to at least stop her from doing this.
[quote=Pit]You're not supposed to edit their posts because IT'S NOT YOUR BLOG. Jesus Chris, quit being so ****ing immature. They do it to everyone, it's part of DA.
I know, that's why I don't mind. Still, they can't restrict people from posting there because this is a public forum. Sure, they can delete my posts, but I still have the right to post there whether it be a post or a page.
[quote]Vampiro:
CJ says:
She isn't deleting threads or posts, no, but it's a malicious attack, no matter how you look at it. 800 solf-deletes will take a long time to load on any connection, even crashing the browser if it's too much.
Well no duh. I thought it was fairly obvious the whole thing was a joke, and the whole point of doing it was for a comical DA/LA feud.
[quote]If that's not against the rules, what is? Porn won't shut down a forum, but something like this easily could. She's a super mod, but she's being a ***** for absolutely no reason.
Other than bandwidth, I'm not hurting anything.
[quote]DA hasn't been causing any problems whatsoever so there's absolutely no justification.
I thought it was obvious enough that this wasn't a personal attack or an attempt to help VGC.
[quote]Plus, this isn't even the first time she done something like this.
Yesitis.
[quote]It's time to seriously consider demodding her since she's barely even wanted as a mod anyways, she just constantly causes trouble to "benefit the community" which this sure as hell is not. Hell, I could do a better job than she can, so can a ton of other memebers. She's not needed at all.
WE DON'T LIKE YOU RAH RAH RAH. I actually do ****, this blog stuff is just for fun. I've asked Jesse, he's even said he doesn't care what goes on in the blogs. I've made a point of not doing anything outrageous.
[quote]But if that's not a possibility for *** knows what reason, ask Linkman what a pain in the *** it is to actually do who job and clean up the mess. I'm sure he'll agree, to some extent, that something needs to be done to at least stop her from doing this.
Of course it's a pain. That's the purpose of it, to be a bother to deal with. And it's not as if their posts in LA aren't spam either. *** forbid they have to hit "select all," unselect their own posts, and delete the soft deletes! That's too much to bear!
The loading speed is long. Deleting is fairly quick.
And I'm only merging because I'd rather not bother making 800+ posts manually and then soft deleting them all.
I do my job, I just fool around in the blogs. Merging with 2 or 3 three threads isn't goint to make the whole forum unhabitable.
And if you want to hear the whole "you're causing problems, not preventing them" argument, then I can just point out every single infraction mods make, or how they manage their forums poorly. It's more than you think.
[quote=Pit]You have a right to post there, we have a right to delete it. You don't have a right to do what you're doing now.
I missed the part in the rules where I'm not allowed to spam in a blog which allows it. Spam is unwanted posts, of any amount.
[quote]No, since it's not funny at all. It's just annoying. DA doesn't care about LA. Notice how we aren't doing anything to "retaliate"? Notice how we never have?
I got a laugh, along with some other members.
[quote]You're making DA, literally, unreadable. You can barely access the page. Uh, right. Also, no rules we have actually hurt anyone.
Wrong, I made a page of 2 or 3 threads in DA difficult to navigate.
[quote]Then why bother doing it in DA? Why not on the main boards or anywhere else? It's obviously personal. Though, the reasoning doesn't matter at all. You shouldn't be doing it. Simple as that.
It's not on the main boards because, get this, the main boards don't allow spam! I did it because I'm a part of Lightness Advanced, a mock blog of Darkness Advanced.
[quote]You've been causing problems in DA for awhile.
Other than deleting a few porn posts, I don't do anything in DA. Prove me wrong.
[quote]Then do your job and stop doing the **** you're doing in DA. Simple as that. Also, I have absolutely no problem with you. I just don't like what you're doing now, and have done in the past. Knock it off, that's all I'm asking. You've created your drama, and that's enough.
I had fun, and I'd have fun doing it a couple more times. If DA's not going to be a good sport about it, play along like I was hoping, then fine. I can stop.
[quote]You've been doing it in threads with over 200 regular posts. That's still a lot of work. Unnecessary work that they shouldn't have to put up with. Plus, I can't select all posts, which means I'd either have to delete all 800 or just wait until a super mod feels like doing it. And I'm sure Linko or Linkman will be the only ones who will bother.
Seriously, stop being an idiot for absolutely no reason.
Maximum posts per page = 40. Also, I know Linko and Linkman care about DA and would delete them at once if they wanted to, eventhough blog mods still have the ability to select all. I just didn't think they'd have no clue how to use regular mod functions.
Teehee, so it's a major infraction now? It's something that can be easily fixed if you have any idea how to, you know, do something mods should do if they want to keep their boards clean! I can think of a few mods/members who've posted blatant pornography, consistently flamed outside the flame board, continually post spam, make puppet accounts, and more. I don't see them getting demodded or banned. Don't bother with the "they don't make as many as you" bull**** either. If deleting old spam threads which no one cares about, editing inappropriate sigs, deleting blatant spam, removing harassments, getting rid of spam, and a myriad of other tasks that a mod is supposed to be doing are major infractions, then demod me. But if it's going to be over 1 slight controversy, in a blog, in just 3 threads then you seriously need to get over it. If anything's personal, it's this bull****.
See that cute little down arrow next to the one near Rate Thread? Are you sure you can't use that? :D
Oh, and the whole copying threads thing isn't even relevant. I specificly made sure to get permission from Jesse, and the copies stayed in LA.
I'm not saying you don't do your job, but causing **** in a blog definitely isn't part of it, and definitely shouldn't be allowed. There was no reason or justification for it. Even if you found it funny or wanted to create drama, those are bull**** reasons, since maybe those members you mentioned wanted to do the same. Suddenly that's all allowed when you just want to have a bit of fun. As I've been saying, you shouldn't have done it. Simple as that. If you're demodded for it or whatever, then so be it. I'm not going to be upset. Someone can always replace you, someone who problaby won't ****ing around in blogs or constantly have the memberbase complain.
There were around 800 or so soft deletes in each of those threads. There's a limit of 500 posts you can delete at one time. I didn't even know that limit existed; but then again, I've never had to delete so much crap at one time. Anyway, that meant I had to hand check around 300 or so posts in each thread before I could do the whole 'select all and uncheck posts to leave' thing. Not only did it take around a minute to remove so many posts at one time, but it left my computer useless in the process. I imagine Judge and Vampiro (who were both also helping me delete crap) had similar problems.
*adds rule agains blog attacks*
I was within a hair of making a demod poll, and I may still. That wasn't any less of a pain to them as what netman did a few months ago, and he got demodded. Maybe you should recieve the same.
If you want to think deleting a whole blog is the equivalent of temporarily ruining 3 threads, then fine. I don't see how you can make that comparison, but okay!
waaaaah, DA is getting picked on again boo hoo lets demod some people :'(
er, what was he doing to the thread called 'massive'??? It only generated a php error, and rumor has it, it had 800+ soft delets there, so I just deleted da thread.
Let the threads go where they go. If it happens to be a php error, let it go. :mad:
First off, Linkman, you don't just add rules on and accept everyone to automatically accept them. That makes the poll results null. Jesse allowed Iris to do this, so who the hell are you to just go around and make **** up?
This isn't a demodable offense. This is just having fun on Iris's part. What's the big deal?
Cause it's mean spirited fun. Not fun for the whole family, that's for sure.
I don't know, a lot of the people you guys make fun of is pretty mean-spirited, but that's up for interpretation. I'm pretty sure Iris didin't mean to kill the threads. If she did, it was all in fun. You guys make threads all the time about nothing. I'm sure you guys could recover. :/
I personally didn't care much. I was annoyed, but eh. There's much nicer ways of being funny though :)
If Iris apologized will you guys go back to your standard hate level? I'd like that much better than throwing threats around. :(
Maybe, I honestly can't speak for the others, however.
NO
judge got demodded for messing with a single thread SO THEREFORE IRIS DESERVES THE SAME AMIRITE
owai, his was in a main board, not a friggin blog
wtf are you going on about?
Sorry then. I expected DA to be a lot less hotheaded about something like this, since it was meant as a joke. I wasn't aware DA was such a serious place!!