:chainsaw: So what's your view? It's big in Sweden. ;-*
I am opposed it. I think life is precious and should not be thrown away. I feel these clinics encourage suicide and worst of all make a business from it. I am against it.
DISCUSS
*sigh*
I think that theres no reason not to have them. Its an issue of personal liberty to me; being allowed to end one's life in a controlled and safe envirnment should be an option left up to the individual.
People who feel suicidal are generally mentally ill, and wouldn't actually want to commit suicide if they were 100% sane. Most of the time, the problem can be solved by just sending them to a psychologist. They don't even have to go on medication.
A psychologist can identify the reason why they are feeling depressed, and can assist the patient in trying to remove it.
It's just like (legally binding) contracts are not legal if the person is mentally unfit to make such judgements, many of these people are unfit to make decisions on whether they commit suiocide or not.
However, this is different for non-mentally ill people, e.g. people with termial illnesses.
Being pro-death, I am absolutely for suicide clinics. Suicide is a good thing and is the most sensible option for some people, and not necessarily because they are mentally ill. I think it's a great option to have, and off the top of my head can think of several people I wouldn't mind referring to them. Of all things you hire a professional for, suicide should be one of them.
Who cares? The world is overpopulated anyway.
I'm for it. I view it as being basically the same as abortion clinics and how people are going to do this regardless, so you might as well give them a safe environment to do it in. Problem is, having to regulate a place like this and finding the guidelines underwhich people can go through with offing themselves. I mean, if you make this sort of thing legal, it might make it easier for a single parent to kill his or her self and leave children behind without a home. Then again, like I said, that person might have done it anyway. The whole thing is you don't want to encourage suicide because it may affect the innocent like this and make a system of government and business that cannot function; and yes, making something easier to do is encouraging it. I mean look at the suicide rates in Sweden, from what one of my college professors was saying, they're insanely high. Also, you have to look at the god complexes that people will obtain from a job position at one of these places and the effects that will have. Eh, it'd be all too messy of a situation for me to even touch.
People who are suicidal usually just need help and are not thinking clearly after some sort of breakup or losing something precious to them.
[quote=jefferey shalome]People who are suicidal usually just need help and are not thinking clearly after some sort of breakup or losing something precious to them.
Or people who have had rather ****ty lives and became a drunk to kill the former mental pain. You could ask my uncle about it, but he commited suicide. :(
If they could donate whatever other money they have to some charity organization then I'd be for it. As far as human life goes, I'm not a big supporter of it. It'd still be a person's choice to commit suicide, and because they're suffering in some way or another I feel it'd be selfish to keep them alive. Kind of like letting a wounded animal suffer.
Surely it'd make more sense for the Swedish government to pour funding into setting up clinics which help people realise that there are alternatives to suicide? Unless, however, we're talking about terminally ill people who can't bear to go on living, in which case self-euthanasia should be perfectly legal. Of course, it'll always be a weight on the conscience of a third party somewhere, and the ethics of the whole thing are always going to be a major debating point. :/
I don't care until it comes in booth form. Until then, it's a good idea, but lame as hell.
[COLOR="Yellow"]Being pro-choice, i definitely support this. A person should be allowed to do whatever they want to their individual bodies as long as they don't harm or put anyone else at risk, whether it's putting mind altering drugs into your body (which is already legal with alcohol and that's a lot more dangerous to those around you than smoking a joint or commiting suicide) or ending your life. It's your body, your life and your money so you're absolutely allowed to do as you desire, anyone who tells you otherwise is bull[COLOR="Yellow"]s[/COLOR]hitting.
Poor Dr. Kavorkian, he should have moved to Sweden.[/COLOR]
[quote=Raptor]Being pro-death
Then eat meat, pussy.
Pro-human death. You know full well what I meant.
Yeah, cuz humans arent animals at all LOL. WE'RE JUST SOME WEIRD TYPE OF PLANT.
When I was younger I wished I had a cat's tail so I could swish it around all elegant-like.
Humans are animals, we're just a little different. :/
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and I take a dim view on it.
Screw that, I'm havin' hot dreams tonight.
[quote=Vampiro]We're more evolved. Which... in the eyes of Raptor, somehow makes us worse than the lowest animal. I can kind of see the reasoning behind that though.
We're so advanced we've looped round the universe back under plankton.
[quote=Princess Fate][COLOR=skyblue]You can be a completely rational person and commit suicide.[/COLOR]
No, you can't.
[quote=Vampiro] We're more evolved.
No, we're not. We're just evolved differently.
[quote=Raptor]Some problems an individual might consider resorting to suicide to escape are actually quite permanent. Irreversible cancer or incurable chronic pain, maybe?
Case in point. No other species that I've heard of would be stupid enough to want death over any alternative (except immortality, but thats philosophy for ya).
YES YOU CAN. Vampiro meant (hopefully) that our brains are more evolved. And, since our brain is more evolved, silly instincts like "survival survival survival" don't really apply because we have the ability to rationally think.
You're not smart. Don't try to refute things without explanation. Get out.
I am going to concur to this statement.
[quote=Raptor]Pro-human death. You know full well what I meant.
Kill yourself and take as many people as you can with you, then. You haven't thought this out very well, have you?
[quote=Raptor]Yes, this makes perfect sense. I would actually prefer to be driven purely by instinct, and not be capable of rational thought. Rational thought usually just leads me into trouble and miserable mental states. In the absence of rational thought, I would lack not only the cognitive ability to be interested in suicide, but also any reason to. Nothing much else would matter to me besides fulfilling my own basic needs. I can only dream of living a life of such simplicity. Being more evolved does not necessarily mean living a better life. At all.
In my opinion living as a genetic robot doesn't qualify as any kind of life at all. Might aswell wish you were a shrub...or a flame. Non-sentient life is nothing more than a complicated chemical reaction.
Rational thought allows appreciation. You think a dog appreciates the life it leads? Do you think a wolf truly understands the beauty of a sunset? Does a chameleon understand how amazing the speed it catches those bugs with its tongue at really is? Humans, whether they take something for granted or not, have the ability to appreciate how glorious life is. Even those who hate life still have the capacity to appreciate it. If you commit suicide because of your hatred for your lot in life or life in general, it doesn't mean you're incapable of feeling the same way about it that non-suicidal people do, it just means you shut it out.
accidental suicide is different from intentional suicide
just so you know
Then why bring it up? Raptor was talking cognitive thought. Lemmings don't do it intentionally. :/