Going by the other thread, a lot of people feel removing the numbers is a good idea, but leaving it on so people can post comments is the best thing. SO, considering Jesse does nothing without a poll...
There should be a fourth option: leaving it as is, but expanding the rep restrictions (max number, repping others before you can rep again, etc).
MAKE IT HAPPEN MR. SMITH!
I gotta get a hold of Angelwing. If she lets me use her vB (She moved, so she wont have internet access for a while, but she gets on on a cellphone from time to time), I'm gonna create a post comments hack that doesn't use the rep system. Hyper can help me if he wants.
VGC WILL CRUMBLE IF THE REP SYSTEM IS NOT CHANGED! IT'S CAUSING THE COMMUNITY TO COME APART AT THE SEAMS!
Why are you so vehement about having it changed? :/
They tremble in fear of your huge number/e-penis.
Whatever, let them have what they want.
The numbers are still there, just hidden, and it's off the Member list page.
Ouch. :( Oh well, I win.
Hey, hang on. Jesse, did you just add something new to the bar in VGC's header? It seems more cluttered than usual...
I think Log Out was added.
Log Out has always been there from what I remember.
I don't remember it, for some reason. I thought it was at the bottom of the index only.
Nope, log out's always been there. Otherwise, how would people be able to log out? :D
No. It's been at the top as well. Stop being blind.
EDIT: ******* klarth ninjas
Eh. I'd rather have the numbers still on, but it looks like they've been removed. Ah. Whatever. I love the comments, but I always liked seeing how my number changed. :cookie:
The navigation is still the same.
I'm positive something else is there. Userpages? I thought they were removed.
No, it's exactly the same. Unless it was Chat - I've never noticed it, but it's probably been there all along.
Chat's been there all along as well as I remember accidently clicking on it once.
I'm dead certain User Pages was removed once they turned out to be a flop.
it's still the same. I can tell for sure because of my crappy screen resolution.
All I did was add where the rep numbers are, 'and' being where the numbers were.
er, did four of you vote AFTER the change? I'm sure 'Leave the rep system how it is.' only had one or two votes when I made the change!!!!
Ha! Way to act early. LOOKS LIKE THE REP NUMBERS ARE COMING BACK!
a week was long enough
Those who chose not to vote, it's their problem.
How long would you think would be long enough then? I think this should be the next big VGC topic! HOW LONG CAN WE KEEP POLL'S OPEN?! [spoiler]POLL'S CLOSED FOREVER B[COLOR="Lime"][spoiler]I[/spoiler][/COLOR]TCHES![/spoiler]
Take a look at
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=122589
I can add that hack!!! :D:D:D:D
Or some people may not have voted because they don't give a crap about the rep system. ;D
Until it's gone.
By "some people", I meant me. :(
I don't see why it would be coming back though. Votes after a change has already been made have always been considered void. :cool:
I should have closed the poll after Jesse did it.
MY BAD
uh, after some one's been modded or demodded, votes after that action are just considered null. That's how polls work. :)
Also, who cares if it makes a few people angry? You know the people will moan about any action the mods take, so why should we start taking it to heart? Rather than being worried whether or not the members will appreciate it, how about we consider the benefit of VGC first?
[quote=Iris]uh, after some one's been modded or demodded, votes after that action are just considered null. That's how polls work. :)
I probably phrased my point pretty badly - what I meant was that if a poll is made to mod someone and they win, the votes in the de-mod poll aren't considered null and void. Changes don't have to be irreversible.
[quote]Also, who cares if it makes a few people angry? You know the people will moan about any action the mods take, so why should we start taking it to heart? Rather than being worried whether or not the members will appreciate it, how about we consider the benefit of VGC first?
...this is precisely the mindset that is ****ing things up right now.
Changes are irreversible, but I honestly don't care for voting after it's been done rather than speaking up and actually saying why. Also, it's awfully petty to be arguing over numbers. I mean, come on. I'd rather VGC have less spam posts and let the members say what they need to in comments rather than people brag about how big their reputation is.
And if you're actually considering the benefit of a group of members who miss their big numbers over the benefit of VGC, then I'm done taking you seriously. It's obvious that VGC is only going to get worse if we start allowing members to just go on their own merry way.
[quote=Iris]Changes are irreversible, but I honestly don't care for voting after it's been done rather than speaking up and actually saying why.
Most of us are voting AND reasoning here. In case you hadn't noticed, there's a hundred-post (or thereabouts) thread about it in the comm board.
[quote]And if you're actually considering the benefit of a group of members who miss their big numbers over the benefit of VGC, then I'm done taking you seriously.
Jesus ****ing christ, HOW IS THIS HELPING VGC AT ALL? The people who don't care won't notice a change at all, the people who do care are up in arms and the people who actively wanted it gone are a minority.
[quote]It's obvious that VGC is only going to get worse if we start allowing members to just go on their own merry way.
Wait, so you've just admitted to wanting to kill fun in the interest of making VGC somehow... better? Wow.
[quote=Klarth]Most of us are voting AND reasoning here. In case you hadn't noticed, there's a hundred-post (or thereabouts) thread about it in the comm board.
no, the only argument against it is that rep numbers are fun and the members didn't get to vote whether they want it gone or not. Apparently, none of you cared enough to vote within a few days after the poll was made.
[quote]Jesus ****ing christ, HOW IS THIS HELPING VGC AT ALL? The people who don't care won't notice a change at all, the people who do care are up in arms and the people who actively wanted it gone are a minority.
it's to help the state of VGC by cutting down on spam and still allowing people to make comments, by removing the numbers that are taken seriously for no reason and allowing people to make more comments with less restrictions so that it's not abused. It's only numbers and seeing people yell about it is only proving the "they'll ***** about anything" point. They weren't promised rep numbers and it's really not a huge problem if they're taken away. Once again, rather than avoiding change to please a group of elite members, I'd rather VGC be neater and more spam-free.
[quote]Wait, so you've just admitted to wanting to kill fun in the interest of making VGC somehow... better? Wow.
If reputation is your only source of fun then I suggest you get out more.
[quote=Iris]uh, after some one's been modded or demodded, votes after that action are just considered null. That's how polls work. :)
Also, who cares if it makes a few people angry? You know the people will moan about any action the mods take, so why should we start taking it to heart? Rather than being worried whether or not the members will appreciate it, how about we consider the benefit of VGC first?
How the hell do you benefit VGC if no one likes what you're doing?
I agree with Iris just about 100% on this. I say the only thing that needs to be changed now is an increase in the frequency we can leave comments. Screw the numbers.
[quote=Iris]no, the only argument against it is that rep numbers are fun and the members didn't get to vote whether they want it gone or not. Apparently, none of you cared enough to vote within a few days after the poll was made.
Most of us weren't even aware that the thread existed.
[quote]it's to help the state of VGC by cutting down on spam
...how did the rep system cause any spam whatsoever
[quote]removing the numbers that are taken seriously for no reason
ugh, WE DIDN'T TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY, we took them as a source of FUN, which is what this argument is about. and besides, aren't you the one taking the "upkeep of vgc" seriously for no reason?
[quote]They weren't promised rep numbers and it's really not a huge problem if they're taken away.
in the real world, people aren't promised that they'll be allowed to walk around on two legs for their whole life, so it's not really a huge problem if they're hit by a car and paralysed, right? just because something wasn't a given doesn't mean that it's not a problem if it's taken away.
[quote]rather than avaoiding change to please a group of elite members,
hahahahaha, oh christ.
[quote]If reputation is your only source of fun then I suggest you get out more.
I have plenty of other sources of fun which you like trying to get rid of, thanks.
No one likes? no, the members who are calling the mods elitist don't like that a number that's used to determine one's superiority is being removed. Pleasing the members is nice and all, but they don't take priority when the state of VGC is so negligent and and the average post content is just an unfunny inside joke.
[quote=Iris]No one likes? no, the members who are calling the mods elitist don't like that a number that's used to determine one's superiority is being removed. Pleasing the members is nice and all, but they don't take priority when the state of VGC is so negligent and and the average post content is just an unfunny inside joke.
Unfunny inside jokes are in DA. The rest of the board still participates in active discussion.
Except for The Judge, who's just running around saying "I concur".
[quote=Shin-Ra]Case 1: LOL REP ME
Case 2: OMFG WHO DUN DE REP ME, I CRY NOW
You've seen it before man, c'mon now.
No, honestly I have NEVER seen that. I don't give a flying shit when people de-rep me, and I severely doubt any of the other people raising a stink about this situation do either. Besides, I don't recall people having begged for rep since 2004.
[quote]I don't see the problem unless you have some number fetish.
In which case I hereby declare myself and everyone who agrees with me a number fetishist.
[quote=Klarth]Most of us weren't even aware that the thread existed.
Oh bull****. If you don't want to do your job and read mod board threads within a week then you don't have the right to complain.
[quote]...how did the rep system cause any spam whatsoever
It was more that we wanted to remove the restrictions so that it could become a better spam filter. By doing that, we got rid of the numbers so that it wouldn't be abused.
[quote]ugh, WE DIDN'T TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY, we took them as a source of FUN, which is what this argument is about. and besides, aren't you the one taking the "upkeep of vgc" seriously for no reason?
I didn't know it was so fun to have a 4-digit number and affect the number of others. Geez, if your argument is just that you liked the feature then I don't see why you've even been taken seriously. Rep was never meant to be VGC's main resource for fun and bringing in new members.
[quote]in the real world, people aren't promised that they'll be allowed to walk around on two legs for their whole life, so it's not really a huge problem if they're hit by a car and paralysed, right? just because something wasn't a given doesn't mean that it's not a problem if it's taken away.
Like I said, so what if it gets some people angry? That's what happens with changes. The point is that there's no reason to change it back just because there's people who don't like the change.
[quote]aha, oh christ.
no really, calling us elitists was the most hypocritical thing you've said thus far :cool:
[quote]plenty of other sources of fun which you like trying to get rid of, thanks.
Oh get of it. That's not out intent, rather it's something we're willing to sacrifice.
Looks like the numbers are back. That ends that chapter.
I'm sick of this pathetic whining, and giving into everything Darkness Advance wants. Darkness Advance is NOT the community.
It's a shame people wouldn't even give this enough of a chance to see if it'd have an impact on vgc.
Well, you know the votes of the non-mods count more than ours. The Judge for super mod '06. :us:
votes were for the removal before Jesse changed it and was tied afterwards. :D
There's no point in yelling at them or jesse for changing it back. figures he'd give into any type of complaining.
People are PATHETIC.
Moral: Don't change **** which doesn't need changing.
I never looked at the numbers anyways.
Bah. I should've suggested this hack before jesse went and changed back. :(
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