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"I just think it's stupid to intentionally make yourself even a bit dumber to have fun."

Kodachi, **** yourself. You obviously have no idea what any sort of drug use is like. Its not about making one's self dumber. Most drugs release chemicals in the brain that cause one to feel good. Its the same end result as doing something enjoyable, only MUCH more intense and perceptible. So shut the **** up with the LOL DRUGS MAK U DUM bull**** until you have done it and know what its like.

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made it myself

Shoulda been furries lying on the dirt.

if i werent so lazy and tired right now, i'd post the pic of fry squiting.

you know the one

I see what you did there

Basically her point is still legit, if you don't get so technical. She's saying its pathetic that in order to enjoy yourself you have to get intoxicated or high.

In other words, some people are too much of a boring and shallow douchebag who dont know how to enjoy life without being ****ed up and out of normal state of mind.

Nothing personal, though. ;)

Once again, **** yourself. You dont know anything about it, obviously. I can and do have plenty of fun without it, since I do it about once a month at most. Its like eating out. If you do it every now and then, its a fun, interesting thing to do. If you do it everyday, it not only becomes less fun, but hurts your health.

Besides, its not like it just "makes you have fun" or anything retarded like that. Its a whole different ballgame when you're high. If there were some other way to obtain the same feeling, I'd go for it, but there isnt.

All the little kids here who think that they know what they're talking about need to shut the hell up about it.

ive never done any illicit drug and i dont really have any intent to, although i have considered trying absinthe next year when i turn 21.

Drugs are bad. mmkay.

I am totally against the usage of drugs.

But if you wanna use them, I won't crucify you.

I am all for leading the war against the war on the war on drugs.

Actually, there isnt much if any long term damage associated with occasional recreational wacky tabacky use. I had a 4.8gpa and a 1400 sat before i smoked, and its not like I've suddenly turned into some drooling moron. If you know what you're doing and dont go overboard, theres no real drawbacks to speak of.

I havent knocked suicide, ever. In fact, I see plenty of situations where its a viable alternative. So, uh, get back to me when you can stop putting words into my mouth.

[quote=Kodachi]Only when you stop knocking suicide until you've tried it and know what it's like. Get back to me on that one.
LoS has done drugs and he's not dead yet.

Get back to me on that one.

Once again, you cant say it isnt worth it because the only real way you can know what its like is to try it. You may THINK you can say that its not worth it, but since that requires you to know the things you're comparing, and theres no other way to know what drug use is like, you cant really make that statement with any degreee of certainty.

Also, if you're going to tell someone to kill themselves, dont be a little ****ing wuss about it. Just tell them to do it. Like this.

Kill yourself, you ignorant little ****stain, before you manage to reproduce and further impose your idiocy on an already overburdened society.

It's hard to win an argument with you. :(

I'm sure we're both loling at how you call someone a failure when you do something like drugs. :)

Holy ****, NOT EVERYONE GETS HAPPY WHEN THEY SMOKE WEED

Truth. Some poeple just get really mellow. Some people start to think about things deeper than they normally do. Some people just want to eat everythig in sight. The point, whoever, was that automatically assuming that having done drugs makes you a bad person is retarded, which was the point i brought up in another thread, and then felt like yelling at kodachi, which i did here in the flame board. So, if i may quote someone, "suck my balls"

I'm not saying it makes you a bad person, but the pleasure is only fleeting. I honestly can't see why it's worth a growing tolerance and dependency.

Also, Kodachi was never arguing that it makes you a bad person either, only that a brief moment of pleasure isn't worth any loss of braincells.

EVERYTHING is fleeting. There is nothing that lasts that you can prove (LOL HEAVAN isnt a reasonable response for the purposes of this argument). So why not? Once again you rely on LOL BRAIN DAMAGE which, when you do it as rarely as I do, isnt an issue. And as for tolerance and dependancy, ONCE AGAIN, do it right and its not an issue. I have neither a tolerance NOR dependancy.

So there go your arguments. What else you got?

Who cares if everything is fleeting? Spending money and damaging any amount of braincells can hardly be called pleasure. There's tons of other things you can find pleasure in. Try any hobbies? Exercising? Have you ever heard of the runner's high?

Also, the doing it right thing is total bull****. Legalizing a drug doesn't mean it'll ever be used properly. Tolerance and dependency is going to be a problem regardless, for some people.

[quote]Yeah, and it only costs..brain cells that are irreplacable! What a deal!

And the loss of hundreths of a percentage point has... no effect!

[quote]didn't say it automatically made someone barf. But if you saw someone eat something and start throwing up, would you really try it? Holy ****, you keep ****ing repeating THE SAME INFORMATION THAT NOBODY IS ARGUING
I'm not saying that if you do it once in a while your brain will be completely wrecked. Why the hell do you feel the need to say it over and over again?

Your analogy is still flawed. If you take a bite, you dont barf. In fact, take a bite once and you dont get anything, really. Take another bite, and its amazing. Eat 20 pounds, and you hurl your guts out.

See, when you smoke the first time, you dont get all that high. From there out, its rad. Do it too much, and you get ruined. So get your comparisons right.

[quote]Since when did "idiot"= "horrible person who should die?"

As I said, they are an idiot with respect to their decision to do drugs. That doesn't make them a complete failure at life.

Sorry, I was assuming that you would be able to follow that I was refering to the general attitude that causes casual drug users to be looked down on. But I guess that was asking too much.

[quote]Not all of them are excessively loud. And if they ever are unbearably loud, I usually cover my ears as a reaction. There is a remedy for damaged ears, anyway. Brain cells are a different matter.

yeah, putting your hands over your ears REALLY helps block out the multi thousand watt sounds systems that movie houses pay tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars for. Oh, wait, no. And there isnt really any remedy. Yeah, you can use hearing aids, but thats besides the point of the analogy. You're still damaging your body for fun. Same as smoking.

[quote]At least I can read.

So can four year olds. Now lets see if you can pull off the magic trick of comprehension:cookie:

[quote=Lord of Spam]And the loss of hundreths of a percentage point has... no effect!
Really depends on how much is used.
[quote]Your analogy is still flawed. If you take a bite, you dont barf. In fact, take a bite once and you dont get anything, really. Take another bite, and its amazing. Eat 20 pounds, and you hurl your guts out.

See, when you smoke the first time, you dont get all that high. From there out, its rad. Do it too much, and you get ruined. So get your comparisons right.
Way to totally miss her point. She's saying, if she saw something that had a bad effect on some one, she wouldn't go and do the same.
[quote]Sorry, I was assuming that you would be able to follow that I was refering to the general attitude that causes casual drug users to be looked down on. But I guess that was asking too much.
Actually, you were accusing her of saying that.

LoS: For the love of cactus, dude. Calm down. :eek:

Its not just the flame board you've been going: "***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***** **** **** **** ****** **** ***** **** ******* ****." all over the boards recently.

Well, swearing or not, he's been a lot more hostile lately as far as I can tell. I think some people out there would agree. :X

I don't think so. It's a debate. I mean, if LoS is hostile, than so is Kod.

[quote]Well, swearing or not, he's been a lot more hostile lately [in general] ]as far as I can tell. I think some people out there would agree. :X

Not necessarily in the flame board alone.

I still don't think so. He's been just as calm and cool as ever. Swears the same amount too, from what I can tell. But from personal experience, going back to arguments, debates like this get tiring REALLY fast. When it's based on opinion it goes around and around in circles. So you end up getting impatient and a bit annoyed. Which shows in your post obviously.

No, it's not just on these totally subjective threads. I've noticed it too. He's been picking a lot of fights recently, unprovoked.

Yeah, just from sitting back and reading some threads I would have to agree with Xenos.

Taking drugs does cause brain damage, personality changes, damage to the rest of your body, increase the risk of cancer, cause increased tolerance and addiction.
However, the degree to which this happens varies widely from person to person. If LoS wants to take drugs, and he judges that he expeiences these negative effects in only very small, imperceptible degrees, then there's nothign wrong with him taking drugs in moderation. However, I would not try drugs at any time, because I might be a person who experiences large amounts of these negative effects. People who do should not take drugs, as the tradeoff of a temporary high is not worth the damage.

However, as I said, if LoS doesn't really get affected much by taking drugs, it doesn't really matter if he takes drugs in moderation.

And stop flaming each other.

SHUT IT, YOU. :mad:

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Also, even in recreational use, there's no gurantee it'll be used properly. Yeah, it's nice and all if you know not to drive drunk or stoned or anything like that, but clearly not everyone can. They're not just harming themselves, so why not prevent the situation from happening as often?

[quote=Lord of Spam]And to Iris, who at least tried to seem like she was paying attention: If you want to ban ALL substances that impair driving, go right ahead. Say good by to being allowed to drive while eating, or drive with passnegers, or drive with the radio on, or driving with a cell phone, or blah blah blah. You see where thats going? its all up the person.
You can't seriously be comparing these as equally impairing situations. Eating, messing with the radio, and talking to passengers are all very controllable. You can't just choose to get high only at stop signs, and be perfectly fine the rest of the drive.
[quote]Granted, I'm not saying that its for everyone; just as alcoholics cant control their alcohol consumption, there are going to be people who cant control their use. But when you look at the proportion of the population of alcohol consumers to the number of alcoholics, its rather low. Just saying that there are people with problems isnt really a strong reason to avoid it (the exception being, of course, if someone in your family has a history of abuse, which increases your risk etc).
Unless you plan on setting up pot tents and having some one keep an eye on the person, or using it at home only, it's going to be quite different from alcoholic beverages. Also, it's a much bigger health risk than alcohol.

[quote=Lord of Spam]If you could control eating/radio/etc, then it wouldnt be an increased risk factor. Now, unless you are willing to say that you know more than every insurance company, and the NHTSA combined, then I would suggest backing down from that position.
It's an increased risk, of course, but because you're not paying as much attention, not because you can't control when and how you do it. However, people can do this at appropriate times, such as at home or while the car's not in motion. Being high is putting you in a different state of mind, where your reaction time slows down and your judgement becomes more cloudy.
[quote]As for pot being a bigger risk: Its only really a risk for abusers. Users can, and do, lead perfectly normal lives. The same is true of alcohol and a variety of other substances.
True, but marijuana is much more likely to be abused. The result of smoking marijuana is much more enjoyable than other substances, which will persuade people to do it more often. Also, you can't notice any undesirable effects immediately afterwards, whereas getting drunk will give you a hangover the next morning.
[quote]I will concede that being high is entirely different from being drunk; after all, being drunk makes you less able to think, whereas being high makes you think differently. So if ANYTHING makes you stupid, its the alcohol. Which is legal.
Both make you think differently. Both worsten your judgement. Only one has negative, permanent consequences no matter how often it's used.

Iris's argument is fine... if you expect the government to play the role of babysitters. I don't want to be arrested for owning marijuana with no intent to drive under its influence just as I don't want to be arrested for owning a knife with no intent to shank someone.

LoS does drugs? NOW EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE

lol i adblock'd your sig

Would you like a cookie?

I'd warn against it though. The high levels of fat and sugar it contains are a pretty big health risk (with repeated intake, of course LOL) for such a small and fleeting bit of enjoyment.

I don't need drugs to have fun.

Just to put up with sanctimonious ****ing prats.

Do you have any evidence for the claim that marijuana permanantly damages brain cells, or are you just assuming that because it alters your state of mind that it must damage your brain? Everywhere I look, results aren't conclusive at best.

scientists must be liars amirite

Wow, great insight there fate. Continue to allude to these studies and use that same allusion as fact, but dont bother to actually provide any proof.

suck my balls

***, are you seriously going to go against common knowledge? It's like asking for proof that gravity exists.

on the contrary, I have evidence that gravity exists, i.e. the fact that I'm sitting in my chair. However, I've yet to see any evidence other than ZOMG DRUGS R BAD B& THEM THEIR EVILEVILEVIL that says that infrequent light use of marijuana can cause serious long term harm.

So, if its such common knowledge, come on, show me up. I mean, it should be easy right? Its SUCH a commonly known thing that there must have been HUNDREDS of studies with firm, solid conclusions that all point in the same direction. So go on, just post one or two, since there are so many and its an easy way to prove me wrong.

http://www.google.com/search?hs=LGo&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=marijuana+brain+damage&btnG=Search

Short-term memory functions are lost? :/

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth8.shtml

#2 on your list. nice job, dumbass.

edit: holy hell, did you even look at that list? #3 is "Heavy Marijuana Use Doesn't Damage Brain", #4 says that it doesnt do anything, #6 says "FACT: None of the medical tests currently used to detect brain damage in humans have found harm from marijuana, even from long term high-dose use"... it just goes on like that.

i guess I should thank you for proving my point for me:cookie:

Ugh, I read two of those sites on the list and they both contradict each other in several places. How annoying :(

"suck my balls" is MY RETORT

PRESENT THEM

And Kodachi, that only proves, at best, that there is no conclusive proof. So you can all stop running around yelling about how it makes you stupid.

What it DOES do is supporess short term memory. But guess what? Stop smoking so much and it comes back.

It's still a stupid thing to do. Doesn't matter if your brain cells are intact. :cookie:

[quote=sniper]Do you have any evidence for the claim that marijuana permanantly damages brain cells, or are you just assuming that because it alters your state of mind that it must damage your brain? Everywhere I look, results aren't conclusive at best.

A close relative has done it most of his life. I see his memoery deteriorating at a ridiculous rate, he panics often and has trouble getting up in the morning. Oh, and his lungs aren't worth crap.

Aside from the hundreds of studies by scientists, it's really just common sense. You brain is perfectly balanced chemical soup, obviously a regular dosage of an alien chemical is going to have long-term effects.

[quote]It's still a stupid thing to do. Doesn't matter if your brain cells are intact.

"LOL HERES MY EVIDENCE"
"your evidence actually supports my claim."
"LOL IM STILL RIGHT ROFLMAO"

...

See, the funny part of that is that I dont have to prove my point. disproving yours is enough to erode your argument. And since once again, it doesnt HURT short term memory in any permanent and serious sense. Stop smoking (or even just cut back) and it comes back. I know, since its happened to me.

You have nothing left to support your claims other than "I've heard its bad, so I wont". Which is exactly what I was complaining about. so thanks for pretty much proving my point.

Well, if loosing brain cells is the argument, then this is stupid. Why? Because basically anything can kill brain cells. Spraying perfume in the air? Well, if you're breathing in that scent, likely it's killing some brain cells. Same thing if you're driving with the windows open on a busy street. Car exaust is fairly toxic stuff. Flopping down on your bed can kill brain cells because your head is accelerating quickly and stopping hard, even if it's on a "soft" pillow.

What a stupid, stupid argument.

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Too sum up: You can't say it's stupid or it's wrong because there's no solid proof either way. Whether it's common sense to not smoke pot because it might be a major health risk is pretty irrelevant. That's your decision, and one that can't be used to argue against anyone else.

Is the new term for experiences you do not like "temporarily damaging?"

people do as they please.if they wan't to smoke,no one is going to stop them. it's basically a culture for some people. some use it as a pain killer and other's use it to feel cool and other's like it because the media has glorified it.so stop the rant cause foamy's going to win.lmao.

Fun fact: The first American anti-marijauna laws and the anti-marijuana campaign of the 1930s were backed by financial interests keen on promoting synthetic fibres and giving hemp a bad name. Moral outrage always works better when it dovetails with commercial interests.

Fun fact: You're destroying your lungs and having health problems merely through living in a city. City-dwellers' lungs are black, when they get dissected and examined after death by forensic type people.

Fun fact: Proving the negative health effects of marijuana doesn't mean it should be illegal.

Fun fact: Lots of unhealthy things are good and fun for us all.

I don't think they are arguing about that though. It was mentioned a few times, but as a tangent.

Actually, a LOT of people prefer bongs or hookahs for just that reason. Mabe if you had smoked more, you'd know that:cookie:

All of the ones I read said that the original studies grossly overestimated the ability of marijuana to damage your brain by using insanely high doses.

You are a moron. There was a king of england in the 1600s when virginia was being used as a giant tobacco plantaition (want to say king george, but have no idea honestly) said that smoking was a "vile and disgusting habit." There have been known effects of tobacco since it has been used. Granted, they werent on the level of "smoke this and get cancer" but the knowledge has been there.

And hey, you dont have to tell me that people believe crazy stuff. Its pretty obvious, since you think you're right.

could someone lock this thread allready ,it's just another lord uselessargument's and rant's *****ing fest with kodachi.. I smoke hookah and I know alot about it. with a shisha tobbaco, you can still get floaty and have the sence of knowing, I wish people wouldn't use them for drugs, I wan't to sit out in the park smoking hookah with out a cop or other people thinking Im smoking hash with it.if anyone smokes hookah and wan'ts to no the flavor's.. double apple,orange with get you buzzed and passion fruit with get you a body high,but it's a diffrent type of tobbaco and it cost a lot more. and if anyone no's what salvia is(which it's basically a sage), it gives a 10 min body high,but, it's legal to carry with you and it's really,really,really harsh and for a 20mg cap of the extract it's $25 but it takes like 2 or 3 hits to get the feeling, I broke my bowl and I really don't wan't to use any of my hookah's for it,if you would like to no more just tell me.

To anyone that managed to wade their way through that drivel: if you really want to know about hookah for tobacco, talk to //Phantom.

It's no better than reading threw your mindless and pointless drivel. and so everyone has a history lesson on the hookah I thought I would add this fun fact/history about it sence LORDSPAMAGE is the more soupier person here.
The origins of the hookah come from the north western provinces of India along the border of Pakistan in Rajasthan and Gujarat nearly a millennia back. These hookahs were simple, primitive, and rugged in design, usually made from a coconut shell base and tube with a head attached. They were designed to smoke opium, and hashish. The hookah made its way through the Persian Kingdom, which also included Pakistan, Afghanistan, much of Middle Asia and Arab parts of Northern Africa. The hookah acquired tombeik on its way through Persia. Tombeik is a dark tobacco grown in modern day Iran. Tombeik is rinsed and pack in the large older style heads where hot coal is applied directly to the wet tombeik, which gives it a strong flavor. The hookahs designed in the Persian Empire are still hand crafted with each one being cut from a piece of wood. In the 19th century, cigarettes were made easily available and mostly women smoked the ghelune because they were not on the go. Women used the ghelune in the home for entertaining and as a past time.When the hookah made its way into Turkey about 500 years ago, it endured a surge of popularity among the upper class and intellectuals and thus changing in design. The hookah grew in size and complexity and became similar to designs that we are more familiar with today. Brass and glass were added to the design and less wood was used. Intricate paintings and mosaics were added for beauty and elegance. The popularity grew into hookah coffee shops in Turk society two to three centuries ago. A hookah bar waiter was treated similar to a chef because of the preparation for hookah smoking. The packing and moisture was a skill, and it was considered rude to touch the coals. Hookah smoking migrated south into the Arab world from Turkey to Lebanon and Syria where it got the name argile. It then spread into Egypt and Morocco, where it is known as shisha. It is also know as the hubble bubble in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Today, hookah bars are social places where many people get together to discuss politics and local events. In Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, the hookah bars are for men only and in some Muslim countries, many believe that the hookah is haram, or forbidden.Most hookah smoking countries serve Naklia shisha. Naklia shisha is a combination of foreign tobaccos, honey molasses and dried fruit. The smoke is filtered through ice cold water to make the smoke cool and soothing. Older generations smoked hashish and opium, which has created a negative stigma for the hookah that is smoked today. Slowly society is accepting the hookah as more of a pipe for tobacco instead of illegal drugs. The hookah has been growing in popularity in the United States and Europe since the experimentation of the 60?s. Now they are in every college head shop and Mid East market on both coasts. It is also growing in popularity in Japan.
"Cigarettes are for nervous people, competitive people, people on the run. When you smoke a narghile, you have time to think. It teaches you patience and tolerance, and gives you an appreciation of good company. Narghile smokers have a much more balanced approach to life than cigarette smokers." (Ismet Ertep, 71 years Turkey)

If I was high right now I'd show you what for.