Kingdom Hearts II Secret Ending - Discussion and Theories *MASSIVE KH3 SPOILERS*

well if you remember from the beginning of kh2, you're Roxas and everytime he sleeps he dreams of sora even though hes never even heard of him well maybe it means It all starts with BIRTH by SLEEP in other words they all dreamt about this secret ending from the past or even the future (most likely future) but it might also mean these new characters have been born from Sora, Riku, Kairi, and King Mickey's dreams

You'll know why Roxas dreams about Sora when you beat KHII.

EDIT - Or, if you did beat it and you just don't really understand, you can PM me for an explaination. I don't want to give away any spoilers on the main forum.

So first off, keep in mind, this thread contains GAME RUNING DIALOUGE, AND IMAGES THAT CAN/WILL SPOIL ENDGAME MATERIAL IN ADDITION TO KINGDOM HEARTS THREE MATERIAL

Read on if still intrested.









So, a friend finally uploaded a video which he captured (supposedly) of himself getting the KH2 secret ending. I have absolutely NO doubts that this is actually the trailer, I just don't believe if he actually did it. At any rate, view it here if you choose:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=Pszuz8NZlCY&search=Kingdom%20Hearts]http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=Pszuz8NZlCY&search=Kingdom%20Hearts[/url]



Now, I turn to screengrabs to prove a couple of points.

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Trailer opens showing flowing text across what appears to be a battlefield. The text, upon further inspection, is Ansem's Reports.


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This device comes into view. Clearly a weapon. At this point, unknown, though revealed in moments to be a keyblade.


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Further evidence of some sort of battle. Mechanized item in the back appears to look somewhat like Kurt Zisa from KH1, but appears to have Axel's glaives.


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Our first glimpse at the wielder of the massive keyblade from before.


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Shot of the wielder's head. Who this is now, is a mystery. Perhaps Sora in a secret drive form? Perhaps Roxas? Perhaps someone completely unrelated.


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Alternative angle showing more detail of Amoured Figure 1 (AF1)


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AF2 approaches from the side of AF1. At first glance appears to be female because of body type. Possibility of Kairi or someone else.


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Another view of AF1 to show further keyblade detail


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AF3 approaches from a side. Notice the helm differences from AF2. Body type shows a neutral gender (In my opionion)


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Close up of AF1 for detail.


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Three keyblades at a distance. One is the Kingdom Key, but appears to be extremely aged. Same applies for the other two, one seeming to be a wing, looking like the blade the One Winged Angel (KH1 Final Mix). It bears a keychain which is the same as the symbol seen throughout Hollow Bastion. The third blade is hard to ID at this distance.


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AF1 begins approach to keyblades


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AF1 continues on route, followed by AF2 and AF3


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AF2 approaches the warped-looking Kingdom Key clone.


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AF3 draws the "One Winged Angel" (check on this, possible new KH2 blade)


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AF1 draws the Kingdom Key in his left hand. Group shot after all drawing the blades. Seem to have an extreme significance based on their lone grouping.



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Extreme angle of insane amounts of keyblades. Absolutely no explanation at this point to the purpose of these blades. Upon closer inspection, we can see the Wishing Star from KH1, as well as a blade that looks exactly like Auron's Masamume from FFX (Probably an award in KH2 from Auron). Three Wishes is also in back, and the Metal Chocobo can be seen on one side.


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Four way cross road. Each AF has approached from one of these roads. There still is one road left unaccounted for by anyone.



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Shot of the AF's looking at one another. Perhaps awaiting something?


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The AF's appear to have spotted something. Gazing off....



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An enigmatic fourth AF approachs from the fourth road. Perhaps this is Riku coming to meet Sora, Kairi, and Roxas? Perhaps this group is all unrelated. At any rate, we can see the words on the screen. Who is the master of the keyblade? Logic would point to Sora, but could also involve Roxas or Riku, or even King Mickey, as all wield the weapon. Memory of Xehanort - perhaps an event, or maybe an Organization member? The Lost Two? An absolute mystery.


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We can see now that this person approching may or may not be an AF, but someone in a cloak...could easily be Riku, or another organization member. Perhaps this person is an AF, but the most important part of this is of the two final words - What is a Chaser? Who is one? What are they after? This could be a reference to the plan that the Organization, or simply someone who seeks power - perhaps someone who seeks...keyblades? The final part of the equation fits and speaks a lot of the previous shots - Keyblade War. So many explanations are possible for this - perhaps what we just viewed were the remains of this war? The amount of keyblades would certainly support this.



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The final message of the AMV. I couldn't recognize any of the characters. Can anyone else?





So, hope you enjoyed this, a small bit of insight into the possibilites of events and other materials for Kingdom Hearts 3. The graphics that we can see here could very well be what we play IN Kingdom Hearts 3 - it's being developed, like Final Fantasy XIII, for the PS3. Look for more info on KH3 starting to surface around the time of the American KH2 launch, and some REAL info probably around TGS 2006 with a lot more info on or around E3 2007.


It's turning out to be one of the most captivating series of all time, and I can't wait to see what happens next.

[URL="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8922482858973901721&q=kingdom+hearts"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8922482858973901721&q=kingdom+hearts[/URL]

For those of you who did not get it via the game, here is a video of it. ^

One thing that I am still confused about is what exactly is The World that Never Was? Was it created by the Nobodies or was it actually a world that became corrupted like Hollow Bastion?

I actually think that The world that never was, was being made as more and more hearts gathered to the artifical kingdom hearts.
NO SPAM!!!!
The other thread was deleted but no one knows who it was but it was filled with spam so don't make this like the other one.

What are you talking about?

Forget it, I did it on the wrong thread but I changed it.

omgthis is unfair that they deleted the other one with all my goo theories ill post the ones i can find around hope newbies will STILL find their way here.....gimmme a sec so i can go find my theories
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here is my friend's longest theory it is a real good one but its not a new one one....here it is anyway:
(((((((((((Years before Sora's adventure, there was a great war. In a place between worlds, there were those known as "Chasers", those who had manifested great power and chanelled it through weapons they experly crafted known as the Keyblades. There were four Chasers.

The Chasers all had to power to create, save, destroy and lock world's hearts. Their keyblade gave them enough power to unlock the energy of a worlds physical heart and be able to move from world to world.

The Chasers began to follow their own ambitions. In the place between worlds, where all of their keyblades laid to rest, the four seperated. Two followed the path of light, bringing life to the worlds, following the paths of Light and Twilight. The other two, they grew unhappy and decided that those who did not respect them should perish. They followed the path of Darkness. They began to bring destruction to worlds, destroying them.

One of the two Dark Chasers realized the faults in his ways and decided to back out. Much as Riku did, this Chaser follows the path of Dawn back to the Crossroads where he is forgiven for his ways. The final Chaser, the one they called Xehanort, would not give up, would not give in. The war began, it is unknown for how long this terrible time lasted. It has been recorded though and the Chasers are much like ***s.

The war was either between great armies or just between the four Chasers, either way, the Dark Chaser, the Dark Keyblade Master known as Xehanort fought against the others in a great Keyblade war.

Xehanort was defeated, and with that, he lost something dear: his memory. Cast away he was born again by sleep. Waking up in the world of Radiant Garden, almost dead, a great Saint known as Ansem found him and offered his assistance. He promised to help him and when he realized the man's memory was gone, he offered to help restore it.

The Chasers each had the ability to spread their power to a disciple or their spirits lived on through a bloodline or chosen ones. Passing their power on to make sure to Order of the Worlds was kept safe.

One Keyblade went to the King of all the Worlds: Mickey.

When Xehanort began to believe he was in fact Ansem, his fascination with the Keyblades grew. Unknowning even to himself who he was.

When the Heartless were born and began to create chaos, Riku was chosen to weild the next Keyblade, to save the people from destruction while Mickey was in the World of Darkness. But, Riku's heart was tainted by his willingness to let darkness overcome him and the Keyblade was passed on to Sora.

After being selected first and later overcome by Xehanort, Xehanort was able to harvest his power to reclaim his Dark Keyblade and thus, Riku was able to have his own.

The final Keyblade was unnecessary until later, when the goodness and innocence of Kairi was able to bring hope to the other Keyblade Weilders and she too was chosen.

Roxas only had ones because he is an element of Sora.

After their adventures had ended, Mickey sends a troubling letter to Sora, Kairi and Riku. A letter that reveals Xehanort's next plot. That he has perhaps remembered his true self. A plot to destroy the other Chasers, a plot to be the one and only Keyblade Master.

A great beast is sent to the Crossroads between worlds but is slain by one of the Chasers. The others appear from their selected paths and reclaim their Keyblades, as though they haven't been touched in a long time. They look to the road of Darkness and the shady figure of Xehanort moves forward. Through his time within Riku, he is essentially "reborn" and while Riku tries to remove him, he is never gone. With enough power he returns to the Crossroads and a great war is about to begin once again. One that will decide the fate of the Chasers and all of those who hold a Keyblade...)))))))))

I just saw Kairi-lovers post count and it 4. lol sry :(



Mr.Nintendo's theory
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If Twilight is the unity of light and dark wouldn't be a santuary for both roads.
Lets say one takes the road to light and another goes to the road to darkness they go down the paths they have chosen for a while and want to met again like in the begining but in the road to twilight they continue going their paths but try to do the opposet of the road they chose good does bad and vice-versa.so they would met in the road to twilight which is the connection to light and dark, and it still is where both dark and light reside without clashing and bear no grudge against the other sorta like a peace maker.Because when you go down the path of light or dark you just began that road and your learning more of the path you chose, you arent full light or full dark from the beginning you grow and adapt to it but since there is a road to twilight then you must learn more of the opposite of the orad you chose and balance yourself out not too dark or too light,gaining Abiltites from both but can't reach the abilites you gain from being absolute light or dark.




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The chasers all came from diffrent paths and if u look at the screenshot in the 1st page their are four paths just like in deep dive and the beginng of kh com. so each path has to have a story behind it just like when diz asked riku which path would he take,
so the path that each came from reprsent the side they have chosen or it would mean that the crafter of the keyblade came from the represetive roads.

They reason they all came into the roads is because the war took place in the intertwine path which they all met there. the crafters must have made keyblades to the people who wanted them or gave them to wage war against the other roads.


so that would mean the first AF crafts with the giant keyblade is from the road of twilight, the 2nd woman looking af came form the road of light, the 3rd af came from the road of the darkness and then the figure that looks like an organization member is coming from the road of beginnings.

since the war accured the people who partisipated in the war where all destroyed by the three people from each road that join and fight together which would be sora, riku and mickey, who fought and won then laid their kayblades on the ground and put it reprsenting the pathe they chose meaning that sora chose twlilght, riku chose dark and mickey chose light.

And each chaser picked up the keyblade of the warrior that reprsented thier path.

The org member must have been someone that was sleeping whilr this accuered and that what the last sentence meant by "It all began by birth by sleep" it had to been Xehanort memories turned into a person and they laid dorment during kingdom hearts 1 and 2.

The chasers are the keyblade crafters.
The master of the keyblade must have been sora.
The lost two must be sora and riku because they all ways seem to be missing ever since the speration of kingdom hearts 1.

I think this is when each one chose in the begining of kingdom heart1 so riku originally chose darkness, mickey originally chose light and then sora atuomatically falls under the catagory of twilight.

Riku chose his path when the door to darkness was open and he used it to get of destiny island
Mickey was always siding with the light in kh1.
And Sora was chosen by the keyblade but he always had the weight of the darkness on his shoulders always bearing it on his back as a berdine, thus the darkness always going after him for being the keyblade master, so he had the light of the keyblade to protect him but also had the darkness of the heartless to go with the light since their is light and darkness in everything and thats how the worlds in their universe exsit.


The reason Riku had a blind fold was because he was ecepting the darkness but his eyes couldnt lie about his lightand needed the dark to help his best friend sora at any cost even if it meant to change his own heart and apperance and that is why he looked like Xehanorts heartless because he tapped into his complete darkness forsaken the light to defeat Roxas in the Dark city but still had his light in his heart that couldn't he overwhelmed by darkness.
Then when he defeated roxas he brought him back to diz so roxas could willingly join with sora to awaken him and become complete.
Then diz felt gulity for using riku to excate his revenge on the organization.
yeah but think about it someone said that they diffently have light and dark but maybe their light is so strong that their dark is supresed and can't be taken advantege of just like hoe ansem opened the door to darkness on destiny island and riku took that oppertunity and so ansem gained acess to rikus heart at that point of vulnerablity so the keyblade rejected riku and went to sora which he was about to join riku but the keyblade interviend

its more then that their curiosity took them beyond their understanding and when they expiremented on theyselves they split into nobodies meaning just maybe their heartless are out there in human form because they were able to retain there human form just like Xehanort's heartsless and Xemnas.


Dawn---Light---Twilight---Nightfall---Dark
As said from deathedge

If anyone has any questions about riku,
Here take this:


At the end of Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories Riku and Mickey were confronted by diz and he asked riku which road would he take the road to the light or the road to the dark and Riku said "Neither, Im taking the middle road." Diz said "You mean the twilight road to night fall" and riku said "No the road to dawn." What he meant was that originally he chose darkness and he didnt want to be enslaved by it like when Xehanort's heartless took over his body and the only way to go forward toward the light was to go through dawn.

The way riku developed from the start of kingdom hearts 1 is that he accepted the darkness when Xehanort's heartless unleased a potal for the heartless to attack Destiny island and he took the darkness in not being afraid and allowing Xehanort's heartless to enter his body and in kingdom hearts chain of memories he was on the road to dawn rejecting his darkness and in kingdom hearts 2 when Diz said that getting roxas to join with sora would speed up sora's resteration process and riku went to the dark city to locate roxas without hesistation and fought roxas but came out of the fight defeated and that is why his arm is always limping cause of the injuries roxas inflected onto riku, but then riku didnt care about himself and only cared about helping sora so he tapped into the powers of darkness and accepting it to use as stregth which changed his physical form into Xehanort's heartless and fought roxas again but with a blindfold because his eyes couldnt lie about the light in his heart and his self-scrafice to help his best friend sora and his heart wasent consumed by the dark cause his heart had more light. And that is also the reason hw wore the blindfold was because he could sense anything with his dark powers and didnt need his eyes to fight.
and then when Ansem the wise's machine exploded unleashing all the hearts that would help riku and they would shine their light onto riku shedding him of his false form that appeared to look like Xehanort's heartless and gaining his original body.

Did that scene happen in the future or in the past?
I would at least say it's an episode in the past, but.... Hmm, how should I say this? It's in the past but you can also think it's in the future, something like that.

notice how mr.nomura dosent say much but goes in circles, its a way to keep us in the edge of our seats so the hype has started.

Who are the 3 armoured people?
Those 3 are completely new people who haven't shown up at all. In fact, I've already thought of their names. Back when I was making that movie, I only had their settings but now I've even drawn their faces to give myself a clearer image of them.

The king, Sora and Riku's keyblades were there, too.
It's to show that those three armoured people aren't them but that doesn't mean they don't have connections. The words "Keyblade War" that showed up in the middle were to implicate that there were fights between Keyblades. Most of the puzzles in the first KH have been solved in KHII but there are many things about the Keyblade that haven't been revealed yet. A line from the previous game's Ansem Report #8 appeared in the movie but that is to say "It means this but it's not explained yet."
Does that mean you already have a plot for KHIII?
Hmm... I have an idea but it can't be helped because my team are planning to work on our next different title. So we're not working on KHIII now and we're not planning to work on it for some time, too. I have a plot in my head but I'm not sure if it'll be released to the world or just stay in there.

straight from the man himself
well it the first came out in 2002 and then com came out 2004 and kh2 came out 2006, so if my calculations are correct we will see kingdom hearts 3 in 2010 if the ps3 launch goes smothly and befor that a breif intermision on the psp in 2008 plus ff12 and 13 will delay that.


Well Kingdom Hearts has many powers like the dragon nobody Xemnas had in the last battle I think it came from there.
Kingdom hearts is were all hearts go after thrie bodies are destroyed and not eclipsed by darkness. So Xemans probably thought that kingdom Hearts would have his heart so he can become complete. Kingdom Hearts need to have hearts and I guess that every member of the Orginization thought that their heart had become a heartless so they needed the keyblade to attack as many heartless and it could so the hearts would go to the artifical kingdom hearts and then I guess Xemnas and the reast of the Orginization would search for their own heart but Xemnas' heart is inside Xehanort's heartless and we don't know what happen to Xehanort's heartless last time we saw of him was in COM when he lost to Riku but if he can survive the light if the real kingdom hearts then he might have survived the battle between himself and Riku.

EDIT*
Remeber this:
Heartless=Heart that was taken over by the darkness making it a heartless.....preety ironic.
The reason they call it a heartless even though there is a heart is because the heart dosen't commend the heartless only the darkness does.
Well maybe his still within Riku or he survived and went somewhere to find a new source of darkness to become stronger OR he's dead but then we need the two thing that make up Xehanort for hime to come back.
Xehanort's Heartless(Fake Ansem)+Xemnas=Xehanort
But then Ansem the wise said that when he found Xehanort, he had no memory of his past making a double nobody. I remember when you entered Hallow Bastion in the first KH there was a machine that said it was able to produce pure blooded heartless or was it a heart I can't remeber but if it was to make a heart then maybe Xehanort got another heart took it in with expirements then he was split into to more people.

Xehanort's original heartless
Xehanort split into two before kh then he got a heart then he went into the keyhole in hollow bastion in the presuit of darkness and then split again into his heartless that we've seen and Xemnas.
Another half-assed theory from me yet again flawed.
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i like the theory makes sense i cant find my theory....man so many r gonna be ticked off...

here is my other theory
(((i believe that after evry user dies his spirit gets in cased in the keyblade that they used throughout their life....so my theory is that the shadows coming at the end of the secret movie could possibly be sora riku and mickey which were brought bak by the memories in the keyblade that were left in the middle of the road....mayb the connection the AFs hav to sora riku and king mickey is through the keyblades and......))))
JUST SAYING THAT IN THE OTHER, NOW DELETED, THREAD THIS THEORY WAS MUCH BETTER WORDED AND SUPPORTED BY FACTS!! THIS IS ALL I COUDL REMEBER!

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man this thread WILL NEVER B THE SAME!!

One thing that bugs me. Xemnas and "Ansem" are Xehanort's heartless and nobody. Well if Xehanort had "No Heart" than how did he split into those two?

I believe that Someone powerful fell prey to the darkness in their heart. That person split into two people... Xehanort (his nobody) and another, which I couldn't know the name of (his heartless). The first time anyone saw Xehanort was when he washed up on Ansem's doorstep. This could have been where Xehanort landed after he was created, which would explain his memory loss and weakness. If this is true then he probably worked for/with Ansem up until the point where he regained his memory, and then he decided to make a heart since he realized that he had none. Or he could have been a nobody for a long time, then pretended to be weak and pretended he lost his memory, tricking Ansem the whole time, knowing that Ansem had the resources he needed to make a heart. Either way, he succeeded and made his heart. Once he had his heart, he realized something. An artificial heart couldnt possibly have real feelings or "light" so he split once again, this time into the fake Ansem and Xemnas.
My question is, who originally plit into Xehanort and who was Xehanort's other half, the heartless. I think now that the cloaked figure in the AF vid is either the heartless equivelent of Xehanort if the game is in the future, or the man who split into Xehanort and the heartless if it's in the past. Id also like to add that I think xehanort was the very first "nobody", thus the name "No Heart", if he wasn't the first person without a heart there would be no need to call himself that.

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Another theory of mine is that Cloud and Sephiroth are connected in this game not by "Genova" cells, but by the same connection that had connected Xemnas and the fake Ansem. I think that Sephiroth is a Heartless and Cloud his Nobody. If you ever beat Sephiroth in KH2, you will remember that he said "You are strong, but apparantely the only one who can eliminate me is Cloud." or something along those lines. Well perhaps this is because no one can eliminate the darkness within Cloud but Cloud himself; the darkness,
being Sephiroth.

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There is a difference between "The chosen one" and the "Keyblade Master".
Sora is commonly referred to as the chosen one and such, but I believe that this only refers to the fact that he is in posession of the "Chosen Keyblade". I think that the particular keyblade that Sora uses, is the actual first Keyblade, the best one. Now just because Sora uses the "Chosen keyblade" doesn't mean that he is the Keyblade master. Since Riku was the first one chosen by the "Chosen Keyblade", I believe that he is the true "Keyblade Master".

Whats more, Even though Sora and Mickey have had their Keyblades from the beginning, everyone seems to point to Sora as the only keyblade master. Yen Sid says Sora is the Master of the Keyblade, DiZ needs Sora to eliminate the Organization, and Mickey sent Donald and Goofy to look for Sora even though he already had his Keyblade. All of this strenghtens my theory that Sora's keyblade, is better than all the others, making Sora the best, and the most important. So technically, Sora is only the best because his keyblade makes him the best. Obviously Riku would be better had he gotten it instead of turning to the dark, otherwise he never would have been the original chosen one to begin with.

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Since no one seems to agree with me about Mickey's Keyblade, then I'll reitterate my position on the matter to try to convince more people.

Mickey has had his keyblade from the beginning of Kingdom Hearts. This is said in the
Secret ansem Report #2:

"A visitor from another world soothed my
dejected soul.

A tiny king named Mickey came wielding a
legendary key-the infamous “Keyblade,”
said to bring both chaos and prosperity to
the world."

That is the first piece to my unavoidable proof. Ok, so now we know that Mickey had his keyblade when he met Ansem the Wise. How do we know this is before the end of KH1? Well because this is before Ansem became DiZ. And he became DiZ halfway through KH1. How do I know that?

Secret Ansem Report #3

"Here, in the realm of nothingness to which
I have been relegated.
Darkness in the midst of nothing.

“Darkness in Zero”

Thus, I shall be known as DiZ."

Now how do I know that this takes place before the end of KH1?

Secret Ansem Report #8

"My friends’ struggle to protect the realm
of light from the threat of Heartless is
now over, with Xehanort’s Heartless -
going by the name Ansem, Seeker of
Darkness - defeated at last."

Now you could say, "Well he just now found out about it" or something like that. But if we go back to the

Secret Ansem Report #7

"My erstwhile friend the King and his
subjects, along with a hero wielding the
Keyblade, are battling the heartless even
as a new threat approaches."

We see that in this 7th report, the end of KH1 still hasn't occured yet.

Quick comment alls.
The world that never was, I think anyway, was a world that was forged similar to a nobody.
Think of the city, as an inanimate nobody, called forth from nothing. It's not really there, and yet it is, much in the same way a nobody is.

Perhaps it was forged from the remnants of other worlds lost to the darkness, such as Destiney Islands.

Maybe the world that never was is a nobody of another world maybe Destiny Island since it was destroyed...but what place did Sora go that was a city?

Crap, Wally took what I was going to say.

MWUAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!
I'll be back to post more of my theories tomorow. Sadly I didn't save em, so I'll type em up later, but I gotta hit the hay.

Heres one to stay on topic and avoid smiting (Just like old times),
Everyworld is a balance bewteen Light and dark. The conflictions and clashing between the two is what gives them tangible form. When a world is consumed by darkness, the balance is lost, and the world is consumed.
However, just as with a nobody, a worlds heart is consumed, but its lands, oceans, matter in general, are instead converted into nothingness, and in the case of a world with a strong heart, it becomes a non-world, or a peice of one anyway. When various peices of non-worlds come together, they form things that shouldn't exsist, but do.
One such place, would be the world that never was.

Well, gotta go, BYE!

What would happen if Kingdom Hearts itself was lost into darkness?
Would it become an eclipsed world of darkness and a world that is a nobody because it is the great heart which is a storage place for lost worlds thats how the destroy Destiny islands came back after Sora fought Xehanort's heartless.

Well, I don't think KH can be divided like a Planet or a Person. It's not as trivial as that. But that is a good question that should be pondered over for some time.

Excelent question Mr.N! Allow me to explain based on a theory inspired by the Transformers of all things!

The legend of allspark found here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allspark

Now, basically, Kingdom Hearts is every heart that ever was, or ever will be. So, it cannot fall to darkness, because everyheart IS darkness and everyheart is at the same time light.

This is just a theory anyway. Read the link if you want some more details about how Kingdom Hearts could be somehting like this.
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Bingo Tysis. Kingdom Hearts is 100% light, and at the same time, 100% dark.
And no, it doesn't have to follow the laws of mathematics. Keyblade doesn't, so neither does it.

I wonder what Xemnas meant when he said "Keyblade" as his last word cause when you defeat him thats what he last says maybe he remember when he was once Xehanort that he weilded a keyblade but maybe he lost it along with his memories. Maybe he became corrupt with darkness thus changing the keyblade....but if you try to say Oblivion is a dark keyblade then you'd have ta explain it to me cause they never stated that it was a dark keyblade and I know that oblivion, itself is darkness.

Mr.N, I already posted my theory on Xenmas/Xeanhort, which involved the keyblade. I guess, I'll retype it tonight and post it in the mornin.

Anyway, quick comment, Oblivion is NOT darkness. Oblivion isn't light, oblivion isn't anything. Olivion is void, nothingness.

This could be why Roxas weilded Oblivion, because he too was Oblivion. He also weilded Oathkeeper because he promised to find Nomine.

But didn't he weild both of them before meeting with Namine?
During the fight with Riku in the Dark City?

Truth.
Maybe Oathkeeper's purpose was two-fold? It became a promise to Namine, but maybe it was first a promise to himself, to not fade away into nothing.

Or, maybe it was a residual effect of being Soras Nobody.

Let think of something that might have happen maybe Never land was taken over by the darkness because Peter pan was a summoning although Genie was a summoning too Agrabah wasen't destroyed.

4 summons aint enough :(

well i just wanted to repost my theories on the subject:
birth by sleep many people think refers to roxas being born while sora slept yet i don think thts it....in yen sids book,future story, it said tht
"will this battle born of confusion end? it is different things to different people.can the reality be tht which is hidden?the reason is mere existence.still memories can be belived.be not afraid . entrust your body to the soothing waves of your memories.by and by your fleeting rest will be over...and everything will begin.
i belive tht birth is like the beginning and it seems to me tht the rest or sleep tht occurs has to do with someone regaining their memories(xehanort, sora?...)so in other words birth by sleep is a new beginning by the finding of lost memories(fleeting rest)


my other thought i had:
people fear the unknown so they hate it cause they do not understand wht they can not see, darkness is like the unknown,unseen,those who tamper with evil use peoples fears against others, so many who use evil shelter themselves within the dark,it is no different from light though just an opposite, darkness isnt automatically bad, people just make it seem like tht cause they fear it...

feel free to poke at these thoughts

Hey Roxas, what happend here?

everything its all ...gone.

I am going to PM you Riku Lover and I'll tell you there.

AAAAAw MAAn. I needed that thread back .anyways Ill post up my chaser theory again:

The universe that Sora and his friends stay in is a fake universe in which is just hiding the truth. In the real universe Sora Is a memeber of the orginization of the chasers. They had to create this universe so that Sora wouldnt get hurt from the keyblade war because his heart is purer than the other key wielders hearts and the orginization runs on pure hearts. Then they completely brainwashed him and sent him into the past. After the war The 3 leaders of the chasers had to choose the right path (light, dark, dawn, twilight) to get to soras fake dimensions and to make him reccolect his memories.The from the darkness comes The "bad guys" in the chasers opinion. because they had a war with the other orginization. Now they have to make sure that theyre going in the right direction and if they fail to find Sora, they will be trapped and will never be able to come out. Just a theory.
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Interesting theory Fireshade.

Thankx Im still thinking of the xehanorts memories thing. I think I almost have it figured out.

When you have it figured out tell me.

Hey Roxas I think I got it, here goes:
Now xehanort has his own story here that clashes together with the chaser theory later in the game which is still in process(LOL). So after xemnas has been defeated xehanorts heartless still remained In Riku. When The chasers find Sora they take evryone involved in soras story in any way. Including Riku. When Riku gets into the real dimension xehanorts heartless comes out. But instead he is the good xehanort. xehanort is trying to reccolect his memories for knowing how he can revive his master( ansem the wise).Just a theory.
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I like this one too.Very good.

thts very interesting hhhmmm possible if i may say...

well i guess i should start thinking of so new thierories

Hey, you know Narnia would be rather interesting but yes they'd have to change the whole plot of the story. Sanaxis that's a good theory on darkness and I'm glad I could give you that inspiration.

yeah we all do or at least try to find our old ones...

thanx for the inspiration!:-D and narnia would be cool but difficult to see in the story but i dont see anything in the new game i cant see disney at all...

it got deleted

what the Fric im gone for more than 24 Hrs and every thing is gone man i was going to come on after i got my cast on from the other day from that big cut in my leg ( i found out it was broken) and then this happens we had over 7,230 posts!!!!!!!!!!!! how and who man im not a newbie im a member AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

yep everthings gone including our post count well mine ws for awhile...

ummm idk some moderater phantasia idk wasnt paying attention cause there was to much spam and yeah it happened while i was typin last night ohhh sry bout the leg....

Man that sucks a lot. Like everything was there and now it's gone...well we better get started.
Dude my posts went down...

well we a had to start over

This is out ragous oh well i guess its back to traing oh ya thats right i cant my legs broken that stinks

well ialredy put my theory down so here it is
well i just wanted to repost my theories on the subject:
birth by sleep many people think refers to roxas being born while sora slept yet i don think thts it....in yen sids book,future story, it said tht
"will this battle born of confusion end? it is different things to different people.can the reality be tht which is hidden?the reason is mere existence.still memories can be belived.be not afraid . entrust your body to the soothing waves of your memories.by and by your fleeting rest will be over...and everything will begin.
i belive tht birth is like the beginning and it seems to me tht the rest or sleep tht occurs has to do with someone regaining their memories(xehanort, sora?...)so in other words birth by sleep is a new beginning by the finding of lost memories(fleeting rest)


my other thought i had:
people fear the unknown so they hate it cause they do not understand wht they can not see, darkness is like the unknown,unseen,those who tamper with evil use peoples fears against others, so many who use evil shelter themselves within the dark,it is no different from light though just an opposite, darkness isnt automatically bad, people just make it seem like tht cause they fear it...

feel free to poke at these thoughts

But why did our posts go down as well?

so what are we going to talk a bout now that theory on the old 355 is gone and evey thing that weve talked about is gone so now what why do we have to start over again being newbies??????/

Yup we have to start over but I don't remember most of my theories this sucks!!!!!!!

its a new beggining lets just start over...
oh and since the thread was deleted it was like your posts were never there i got mine back cause i talked to jesse and now i have the number back but not the same posts...

Sorry about the leg. Anyways to start things off, if they did make Narnia in it how do you think the story might go? I really doubt they would cause' there's already a PS2 Narnia game.

well true it is already a game but so is the nightmare before christmas pirates of the caribean, and the little mermaid

That's true Sanaxis, after all Nomura can and sometimes will supprise us. I'm going off for a little while see you so other time today.

anyone new theories?oh and for those who lost theirs jesse saved some from google so if it helps....

see ya kiari!

Wow starting all over again....when people see this some will be mad as....well you know.

lol true dat anyway there is also a kh lounge for everyone who wants to talk about something other than kh3 xenos was very nice and gave us this thread so we could talk :-D

Sounds like fun.

I'm back, I have a new theory following my and Sanaxis's darkness theory: Knowing that darkness is not evil, maybe Kingdom Hearts 3 will be restoring peace in the dark realm. I'm not to sure about this but it's a guess feel free to comment on this good or bad.

Here we go, the first of a few threories I'll be posting here. Oh, and guys, don't fill this with chatter, thats what got it deleted in the first place.


A good long while ago, the events that transpired between Sora, Riku, and the keyblade, on destiney islands, happened before. The first time however, was different, and involved Xehanort, and one other. Xehanort was meant to have the keyblade, but chose the darkness, and so it went to the other. Xehanort intended to control the darkness, and open a path to kingdom hearts, but the other stopped him. The two clashed as rivals and enemies, but no longer freinds. However, the other keyblader was alone when he fought Xehanort and ultimatley, could not defeat him. Before HE was beaten though, the other keyblader sacrificed his body to seal his heart into Xehanort's. The others light canceled out his darkness, and so he forgot who he was, and eventualy arrived on Ansems doorstep.

Over time, he was slowly called back to the darkness, which is eventualy what lead him to become a heartless. However, because of the keybladers light, he was exceptionaly strong. Instead of becoming just any heartless, he entered the heart of Riku, granting him not only great strength, but slowly corrupting him.

In Hallow Bastein, Riku drew forth a keyblade. I beleive that this was not only the keyblade of the original, but it was also twisted by Xehanort's dark influence. He eventualy used his original form, which I beleive he could do because he was using Riku's body to house himself. When he was destroyed, and Riku began to use his power as his own, he slowly transitioned it from Xehanort's to his own.

On Xenmas. He is a nobody, and he uses his laser blades similar to keyblades, which I beleive is not accidental. He uses them to symbolise his power of a keyblade, but being a nobody, and obsessed with nothing, he reforms his weapon from kyblades like Roxas, to laserblades of his own. Or, perhaps it was something he couldn't do because Riku was using the Keyblade.

WOW that's a great theory Wally the Weird, now if only there are more people here to talk about it with....

Ok, here we go. This is what I think might be my greatest theory ever :)
Enjoy,

Now, I beleive, that there is only one place where something can be 100% light and 100% dark, the realm of dreams. This is the place where Sora began in the first part. There, the light is intertwined with the dark, they are as ONE. Not 1/2 and 1/2 but one singlular force. Kingdom Hearts, is the realm of dreams. Kingdom Hearts is all light, and at the same time, all dark.

On Kingdom Hearts. I beleive that not only is it the realm of dreams, I beleive it could be like the Transformer concept of Allspark. It is where all heats that ever will be, are, or ever were, exsist together. Kingdom Hearts is infinite.

Now, the keyblade is an exstension of the heart, made tangible by a force. My beleif is that a keyblade needs to have both light AND dark to exsist, how much oyu use, determines it's power. Sora's keyblade is mostly light, with little darkness. Mickey's is a dark keyblade, powered by his light. While Sora's is a light keyblade further influnced by his light, and only opposed by his small amount of darkness, King Mcikeys is a dark keyblade, influneced by only the small amount of his darkness, and opposed by his great light. I beleive this is what makes him so freaking powerful. Rikus' keyblade however, is 50% dark, and 50% light, with his own desire to again join the light, and his knowledge of why he needs the darkness being his conflict. Riku's is a very powerful keyblade, but not the ultimate, which I'll get back to in a moment.

Now, when a keyblade starts off, it is in it's simplest form. To strengthen this form, what you need is to influence it. Just as experience and knowledge influence the heart, keychains work in the exact same way. Keychains are the like momentos of experiances and influences on the heart, and attaching them to your keychain focuses on that influence, and grants it the power of said experiance. The ultima weapon, whih is sythesized, is the sort of liek the total of all the influences at once, granting collosal power to the keyblade.

However, this is no the keyblades most powerful form. The keyblade is an extension of the heart. Because of this, I beleive that when a heart is unified with Kingdom Hearts, one can weild the ultimate keyblade, it's purest, most truest from. When unifed with Kingdom Hearts, it becomes an extension of ALL hearts that ever were, currently are, or ever will be. This keyblade would be 100% light, and 100% dark, As such, it would serve as a conduit between he realm of dreams, and our realm, guidied by the holders will. One who weilds the 'Keyblade most pure' would become Ominpotent, and Omnisceint.

So, a 'Keyblade most pure' in the hands of Sora, woul be a good thing. A 'Keyblade most pure' in the hands of say, Xehanort, would be most assuredly be a BAD thing ladies and gentlement.

wally i worship you tht was pure genius!!!

i have a quick q wally if kingdom hearts is the realm of dreams do you think thts were sora was when he dreamt of the keyblade for the first time? or do you have a different theory on tht?

wow wally that is an excellent theory but considering i read 300 pages i saw most of ur theories and all of them are great and those two dont dissapoint i hope this thread will be filled with more theories and not turn to a bunch of spam but hey never hurts ;) anyways i have a theory which is going to be broken in to a couple of parts.......
((((((((Well what if birth by sleep refers to the dreams sora and roxas had...these dreams could have been sort of like awakening of untapped powers they had within. for example in sora's dreams sora encountered the big large heartless(which was said to be sora's inner darkness) which he had to defeat the the help of whatever item he chose(shield, sword, staff).that was one thing in his dream.....the other thing was:
That in the dreams there was the door that told him a BIG journey lay ahead and that he must know things like "the closer you get to the light, the bigger your shadow will be" which I am lead to believe might mean:
-remeber when leon once mentioned that the heartless had been following sora around because of the keyblade he had. SO i am lead to believe that it is possible that the keyblade could be either light or somebody elses:
*Light- SO lets say the keyblade is light...the more and more sora fought with the keyblade the more and more heatless would come at him and the more tougher and dangerous his life wud become...to prove that the keyblade makes his life more dangerous in the struggle for light imagine if sora had never accepted the keyblade and just decided to settle in traverse town with a wife and 27 kids(LOL!) his life wud probably be pretty dull and the keyblade wud then chose someone else....now think about all the struggles sora has had to go through because of the keyblade.....fight org.13, beat ansem, lock all the keyholes in like,what 24 worlds?, he also has to beat every boss battle in each wolrd , help evry person out in each world etc.......
BUT remeber the door alsoo said "do not be afraid" which probably explained that he wud hav to go through many struggles to get what he treasured the most bak.........kairi and riku. Also wud refer to the new freindship he made which made his world brighter! :angel: ^that is one theory^

- So, now think what if sora's keyblade was actually somebody elses and sora was just a tool that somebody used to make the keyblade stronger....for example somebody could hav given the keyblades to sora and made him fight battles and things like that, that made the keyblade stronger in essence...then wen the keyblade cud no longer get any stronger, the keyblade wud b suddenly taken away from sora!! Think about it....it makes sense if this "somebody" was............... THE THREE AFs!!!!!!!I belive the three AFs are CHASERS who made the keyblades and used sora as somewhat of a tool to stregthen the keyblade....maybe for good or mayb for bad!!!!!!Maybe they each gave the keyblade to riku mickey and sora to strengthen them for their own purposes....which explains the secret ending....i belive the secet ending might be:
-After a while maybe 2-5years or so sora, riku and mickey find somewhat of peace and find there isnt much need for their keyblades, wen they were actually taken away, (which they did not notice because they didnt need them) and were placed in between the four corssroads.... then one day A great unknown evil is formed in riku,sora, and mickeys wolrd and they only way to defeat them is by using the keyblade...but then as they each try to call forth they keyblade they do not appear......... so mayb they went to the crossroads as a way of finding whats was going on, then they find the three AFs with their keyblades and the struggle begins! SO the shadowy figure u see coming at the end could possibly be SORA MICKEY AND RIKU coming at different times (for example first riku arrives then sora arrives then mickey which explain why we only see one figure at the end!!!!!!)))))))))

((as for roxas: he had the dreams to untap the powers of his "other" and that was the great and mysterious power of the keyblade because otherwise he wud still be in twilight town eating sea salt ice cream and sora wud still be sleeping!!!))

*srry if its hard to understand i tried to write it as fast as possible....please give me any feedbak u see is needed so we can improve my theory thanks!! :-D* phew!

and i am not contradicting the CHASERS theory i am simply adding more depth to it!!

hey nexidala i like the theory though one problem though even though your seconed theory rocks nomura already said the characters at the end are not riku sora or mickey im just sayin cause many around here hav said this and can get fiesty when repeating it...lol

see no he said THE THREE AFS are not sora riku and mickey but he never said anything about the shadowy figure....

Who are the 3 armoured people?
Those 3 are completely new people who haven't shown up at all. In fact, I've already thought of their names. Back when I was making that movie, I only had their settings but now I've even drawn their faces to give myself a clearer image of them.

see he only mentions the the three AFs

Quick comment, I mentioned that Sora began in the realm of dreams when he chose his weapons and everything.

Now, I going back to Allspark, IF Kingdom Hearts is like Allspark, this also means it is sentient, it thinks and acts on it's own. Which leads me to beleive that the keyblade isn't what chooses it's master, but Kingdom Hearts whcih chooses who to awaken the keyblade in.

ok nvrmnd then sry hhhmmmm i still agree with others i believe tht the three afs are chasres who created the keyblades did u read my theory?my long one?


WALLY!!!! sry did u read my theory?????? oh and can u answer my q?

oh ok i wasnt meanin got you just to let you know i was just makin a general comment lol

HAS ANYONE READ MY THEORY??? im sad i havent got comments on it:( lol

well its not like anyone as read my theory that took my a long butt time to write even though its really good and it still goes along with the three AFs being chasers :(

Yeah, I read your theory Sanaxis. Good one too, but it sounds similar to one of my own that I posted in the ol'thread a while back.

Humanity was created in an image of good. We fell into sin, and then thats why things are the way they are.

Darkness hides the original format of our hearts. So while darkness isn't evil, it covers up the good, and makes us evil. Light, does the oposite, by illuminating the good, so it makes a person good.

And stuff like that :)
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ok well ill reword it ummmm it said fleeting rest which i took as the rest you take when trying to bring back lost memories so its kinda like sleep cause memories can be connected to dreams anyway once the rest is over or the dreams are found everything will begin....like birth the beginning...

oh and i read your theory nexidala dont i count :( lol

oh and sry wally if i took ur idea though idk how i would since i got the idea and inspiration from kiari lover....

sanaxis u DEFINATLY got sumthin goin there i just think it need better wording otherwise it just doent send sparks fly lol...just trying to help

and yes of course u count :D

Well, it's not a complex idea, and mine is worded differently, o yeah, I'll go for that San.

Also, I made the coment to Sanaxis who asked if I thought Sora started in that realm.

OH! Lightbulb just went off (It's been on strobe light all day) I'll brb, going to type up a theory about Chasers.
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k thanx for answering my question and i think my theoryh as sparks flying lol jk
im gonna ask again since many people r on past or future which do u think kh3 will happen in?

Meh, now we're Co-authors.
Lets just leave it at that.

Maybe I should start the Weird Fanclub?

Going to post a theory in just a few, so stand by.

o i c.........lol im sure sanaxis will b ur new biggest fan :angel: ;)
anyone who havent already plz go read the theory i posted 1 page bak

WOW AGAIN, NeXidala your theory is very good to, except that there's only one shady figure not three. Otherwise it's really good. Sanaxis thank you and good theory. Wally the Weird, and NeXidala you two both have really good theories.

ILL BE UR NUMBER ONE FAN!!!! lol:-D
also i just wanted to say tht wally your theory about king mickeys keyblade being made of darkness makes sense and how his light kinda of in a way the powers the keybladewhile still having the darkness powering bTW did we ever really figure out how he got his keyblade?
oh kairi im sry thts happening:(

Here is my theory.

In the beginning, there was Kingdom Hearts. Every heart is, was, or ever shall be, was Kingdom Hearts. It was the realm of dreams, and the source of all light, and the source of all darkness.

Worlds were forged by Kingdom Hearts, and it gave them life. All the worlds were perfect, and all hearts were perfect, and there was great joy.

Kingdom Hearts granted three Keyblades to the three leaders of three worlds. Each keyblade was a keyblade most pure, and there was still, great harmony.

One day however, something happened. Someone died, and Kingdom Hearts reclaimed the heart again. When this happened, people forgot what Kingdom Hearts was, and so it was lost to all eternity. Then, the great division began, and people thought they could only side with the light, or the darkness.

The leaders, sided with their worlds, and became three great forms. One was a keyblader of Light, one of Darkness, and one of Twilight (50% balance). As such however, they could still weild the power of kingdom hearts.

In times to come, they forged more keyblades, each impure, but powerful, and so a great war was waged upon the others. This would come to be known as the keyblade war.

Kingdom Hearts knew that their power was great, so long as the weilded it's awesome power, so Kingdom Hearts sealed it's self away. Only seven Princess of light, and a keyblade of darkness could again open the great force.

Obviously, it occured to the dark king of keyblades that he could open it with his own keyblade and seven princesses of light, but it was not so. He required a different keyblade.

Kingdom Hearts saw the powers of the three still remained, and so it acted once more. The keyblades were lost, and the kings reformed into Chasers. Those who followed the dark, became the first heartless. Those who followed the light, were formed into the seven hearts of pure light that would one day become the seven princesses of light. Those who followed the balance are all that remain.

The darkest keyblade, which when used with the seven hearts of light, that could one day re-open Kingdom Hearts, is the keyblade of the heartless. The keyblades were lost for a time, but it was only a matter of time before they were found again.

Just a rough theory.

excellent theory wally it makes plent of sense:D..but i hav a question...in ur theory does it decribe kingdom hearts as having a mind to think with or no?

Kingdom Hearts is where all hearts that are, were, or ever shall be exsist. Kingdom Hearts is a senteint force of it's own creation and will. It is a mind of it's own, and can make it's own decisions. What it uses to decide it's decisions though, uch as ethics and morals, I really don't know.

Oops, forgot to elaborate.

When Kingdom Hearts formed the Kings into Chasers, it broke them. They could not be trusted with power and free will, so it was taken away. Their hearts and souls were erased, and their bodies were twisted into nothing. They became nobodies, but still had hearts and souls.

They were given Keyblades, but because their hearts were blank, they had no keychains. However, I am not entierly sure what purpose they are for. Maybe to hunt down the Keyblades and return them to a certain point, but I dunno.
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Yeah, thats Yahoo for you. Determined to take forever.

kool so ill add in the shadow part to my theory and taht will make it complete!!! :-D!!!!!

I'm going off again I'll probably be back tommorow morning.

c ya kiari oh and thanx wally clears things up!:-D well im going to the other board multi posting lol and also just wanted to ask again future or past?

future is where i think the secret ending took place

Here we go.
Both and neither at the same time.

Either
A:Non linear, so it takes place in a realm outside of time.

B:Someone from the future (The shadow) has come to the past, and is going to set in motion the events of Kingdom Hearts.

i think it tokk place in the past honestly cuz i belive it will talk about xehanorts life and as i was just typing a thought hit me nomura said it takes place in the past but also in the future wht if its in the future keyblade war and as the story goes on it tells about the past one ?!?!?! tht made no sense i bet lol

ohh wally tht would be awesome!hhhmmmm very intersting plot twist...

well i said future cuz i was going with my theory
but if i had never said my theory i wud agree with wally :)

yeah true lol i pulled tht theory out thin air so...i really like wally's theory it made a lot of sense and thts awesome cuz i usually dont understand anything lol

Now the thing is, if it is someone from the future making sure things take place in the past like they should, that either means

A: He has something important and doesn't want to loose it and it only happened by a sheer chance of luck.

B: Someone is in the past, meddling with it, and he is to make sure things happent hey should, either for good, or for evil purposes.

Ok, form time!

When Sora goes Valor, he merges with Goofy. Because the keyblade is an extension of the heart, it stand to reason that when merging with Goofy, the strength of the heart is doubled. Thus, you gain two keyblades.

When Sora goes Wisdom, he merges with Donald. However, Donald is a caster. I beleive that magic is from the realm of dreams, and using magic calls upon the power of the realm of dreams, and uses it to act upon the outside world. Sora's magic is enhanced, which is why he weilds only ONE keyblade.

When Sora goes master form, he gains the strength of two additional hearts (Lets assume that it's Goofy and Donald, I won't go into others). Because of this, he gains two keys, and enhanced magic.

When sora goes final, something happens. Instead of just two hearts, he also merges with Roxas (Thus, the white outfit). He is merged with his nothing, and becomes entierly whole. Thus, he is at ultimate form.

DUN DUN DUNNNNNN!

No.
The realm of dreams is where light and dark are intertwined and are as one. Nothing is impossible there. Magic is the act of calling it into the physical world, and having it act on something. So, calling a thunderbolt into exsistance, is calling open a rift between our realm, and the realm of dreams, and using your will in a specific way, to create lightning.

so that wud mean that for that split second there wud b sort of like a portal between our realm and the realm of dreams....so that must mean magic is the way to open a door to the realm of dreams??

No.
Remember, all hearts originate from Kingdom Hearts. A person can use magic by using their own heart as a conduit between themselves and the realm of dreams.

Why nobodies can use magic, I am not sure. Pssibly because they do not exsist truley, which allows them to violate the laws of physics.

o i c............so in essence u use ur heart to go to the realm of dreams almost evrytime u go to sleep??

Sorta. You are mentaly linked to it. You can do anything their, and anythign can happen.

And you alwasy dream when you go to sleep. It's just that sometimes you forget before you wake up.

o ic thx for clearin it up wally :rainbow: so it is very likely that the realm of dreams might exist in kh III

Hi, Wally again very good and well explained theory (or fact).Bye til' tommorow.

what if sora's soul is somone who reincarnated in him????

Wally, I love your thoughts on magic, but I think you're going too far into it.
It's a way of Square drawing from the Final Fantasy battle system and bringing something familiar to players.

Blizzard, Fire, Thunder, Cure...if you've played an FF game, you know them.

Sora merges with Roxas at the very beginning of the game [KH2]. He is whole. When he enters Final Form, he draws upon the true power of the keyblade, making the clothes white and the power huge, and the fusion with his friends allows him the enhanced magic and second keyblade.

Sanaxis, I have the same theory. KH III may follow Sora, Riku, Kairi, and the king as they fight another keyblade war [one that is the same as one that was fought in the past]. This is the idea of repeated history.
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And what's going on? My post number is back down to one and the thread is on page six...we were at like page 380 something.

No, I don't he wasn't fully merged. Roxas was within him, of that I have no doubt, but it was the same as Roxas being a bookmark in a book, inside but not really a part.

Now, as for magic, I am using the Slayers Anime explination. the force of the Realm of Dreams's power is acted on matter to alter it and such. So, using the magic of the realm of dreams, can create fire, or something like that. It's a fandom explination.

((((((((Well what if birth by sleep refers to the dreams sora and roxas had...these dreams could have been sort of like awakening of untapped powers they had within. for example in sora's dreams sora encountered the big large heartless(which was said to be sora's inner darkness) which he had to defeat the the help of whatever item he chose(shield, sword, staff).that was one thing in his dream.....the other thing was:
That in the dreams there was the door that told him a BIG journey lay ahead and that he must know things like "the closer you get to the light, the bigger your shadow will be" which I am lead to believe might mean:
-remeber when leon once mentioned that the heartless had been following sora around because of the keyblade he had. SO i am lead to believe that it is possible that the keyblade could be either light or somebody elses:
*Light- SO lets say the keyblade is light...the more and more sora fought with the keyblade the more and more heatless would come at him and the more tougher and dangerous his life wud become...to prove that the keyblade makes his life more dangerous in the struggle for light imagine if sora had never accepted the keyblade and just decided to settle in traverse town with a wife and 27 kids(LOL!) his life wud probably be pretty dull and the keyblade wud then chose someone else....now think about all the struggles sora has had to go through because of the keyblade.....fight org.13, beat ansem, lock all the keyholes in like,what 24 worlds?, he also has to beat every boss battle in each wolrd , help evry person out in each world etc.......
BUT remeber the door alsoo said "do not be afraid" which probably explained that he wud hav to go through many struggles to get what he treasured the most bak.........kairi and riku. Also wud refer to the new freindship he made which made his world brighter! :angel: ^that is one theory^

- So, now think what if sora's keyblade was actually somebody elses and sora was just a tool that somebody used to make the keyblade stronger....for example somebody could hav given the keyblades to sora and made him fight battles and things like that, that made the keyblade stronger in essence...then wen the keyblade cud no longer get any stronger, the keyblade wud b suddenly taken away from sora!! Think about it....it makes sense if this "somebody" was............... THE THREE AFs!!!!!!!I belive the three AFs are CHASERS who made the keyblades and used sora as somewhat of a tool to stregthen the keyblade....maybe for good or mayb for bad!!!!!!Maybe they each gave the keyblade to riku mickey and sora to strengthen them for their own purposes....which explains the secret ending....i belive the secet ending might be:
-After a while maybe 2-5years or so sora, riku and mickey find somewhat of peace and find there isnt much need for their keyblades, wen they were actually taken away, (which they did not notice because they didnt need them) and were placed in between the four corssroads.... then one day A great unknown evil is formed in riku,sora, and mickeys wolrd and they only way to defeat them is by using the keyblade...but then as they each try to call forth they keyblade they do not appear......... so mayb they went to the crossroads as a way of finding whats was going on, then they find the three AFs with their keyblades and the struggle begins! SO the shadowy figure u see coming at the end could possibly be SORA MICKEY AND RIKU coming at different times (for example first riku arrives then sora arrives then mickey which explain why we only see one figure at the end!!!!!!)))))))))

((as for roxas: he had the dreams to untap the powers of his "other" and that was the great and mysterious power of the keyblade because otherwise he wud still be in twilight town eating sea salt ice cream and sora wud still be sleeping!!!))

*srry if its hard to understand i tried to write it as fast as possible....please give me any feedbak u see is needed so we can improve my theory thanks!! :-D* phew!

and i am not contradicting the CHASERS theory i am simply adding more depth to it!

Hmm...Well, Wally, you might be right on the Roxas thing.

The explanation I have stems from the fact that, when examining the five clothing pieces in the clothing room in KH2, you read "You see yourself unleashing the Keyblade's true power"

That's Final Form. It's how it is described in the status screen, too.

twilight dont ignore the theory above u makes me sad :(

Ahm but here is my counter;
MY theory is that the keyblade is an extension of the heart. And when Roxas and Sora become one, Sora's heart is fullfilled, and so does the keybalde.

However, I still think they 'keyblade most pure' is a conduit of will between the here and now, and the realm of dreams, granting infinite power.

NeXidala, this is all in response to your theory.

1- "The closer to light, the greater your shadow will be." It refers to the major theme of Kingdom Hearts. There is no light without darkness; there is no darkness without light. Though your theory of the keyblade making Sora's life much harder might work.
2- Remember, Riku stole the keyblade away for a time. Just adding on to your theory. I like it. "You were just the delivery boy" Maybe Sora was meant to fight with the Keyblade and make it stronger so that Riku could wield it?
3- About the three Armored Figures...I'm not sure. Remember, they all had more than just the keyblades Sora, Mickey, and Riku had. Two of them have other Keyblades. And let's not forget that letter. Something big happens at the end of KH2.
4- Roxas. He had those dreams as he and Sora were preparing to reunite. Sora's memories were coming back...he needed his Nobody.

Looong theory but I like it.

no but wait those keyblades they had couldve been the ones they used in the mean time

Hmm perhaps. The whole question is why and what part does Xehanort and memories of him play?

well thats left for others to speculate i did my part =) look at my post count :)
mayb he is like the bad guy they hav to fight because he is bak once again (surprise)
which is way they try to call forth the keyblade

twilight mind if i add u to my buddy list??

433

And mine is still at five. GRRR


Jesse has yet to restore it. So is NeXidala quitting?

no no lol i was jk :jump:

Not a clue what the point of the buddy list is...people have yet to tell me.

But go ahead.

well idk its just a buddy list lol u can add me too if u want :-D

I posted my theory on Xeanhort and his past, which I think might fit.

dude there are guests on here how could they find their way here anyways???

Meh, maybe I'll start it up then.

I'll go for it.

We killed Xehanort twice. His Heartless and his Nobody. He's kinda been obliterated...how are they gonna work him back alive?

Great, NOW he signs off.
Here we go anyway, re-posted into freashness


A good long while ago, the events that transpired between Sora, Riku, and the keyblade, on destiney islands, happened before. The first time however, was different, and involved Xehanort, and one other. Xehanort was meant to have the keyblade, but chose the darkness, and so it went to the other. Xehanort intended to control the darkness, and open a path to kingdom hearts, but the other stopped him. The two clashed as rivals and enemies, but no longer freinds. However, the other keyblader was alone when he fought Xehanort and ultimatley, could not defeat him. Before HE was beaten though, the other keyblader sacrificed his body to seal his heart into Xehanort's. The others light canceled out his darkness, and so he forgot who he was, and eventualy arrived on Ansems doorstep.

Over time, he was slowly called back to the darkness, which is eventualy what lead him to become a heartless. However, because of the keybladers light, he was exceptionaly strong. Instead of becoming just any heartless, he entered the heart of Riku, granting him not only great strength, but slowly corrupting him.

In Hallow Bastein, Riku drew forth a keyblade. I beleive that this was not only the keyblade of the original, but it was also twisted by Xehanort's dark influence. He eventualy used his original form, which I beleive he could do because he was using Riku's body to house himself. When he was destroyed, and Riku began to use his power as his own, he slowly transitioned it from Xehanort's to his own.

On Xenmas. He is a nobody, and he uses his laser blades similar to keyblades, which I beleive is not accidental. He uses them to symbolise his power of a keyblade, but being a nobody, and obsessed with nothing, he reforms his weapon from kyblades like Roxas, to laserblades of his own. Or, perhaps it was something he couldn't do because Riku was using the Keyblade.

wally were u saying that theory cud fit in with mine??

Well, THAT theory could yes, but my keyblade and origin stories wouldn;t fit so much.

I had a response to how Riku stole Sora's keyblade, but I can't remember it right now.
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GOOD NIGHT WALLY!
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yes ur theories are interesting :D

HELLO EVERYONE AND GOOD MORNING :-D I've got a theory following my theory on how the chasers live on through their keyblades, lets say that Xehanort since it means no heart or another, while drifting toward Radiant Garden gains energy through his keyblade and barely lives and then Ansem finds him takes care of him, then Xehanort gets interested with shall we say dark stuff and turns into a heartless and nobody, we all know this, when his heartless dies, it merges with his keyblade. Same happens with Xemnas, now a short while after Sora beats Xemnas he "re-awakens" at the crossroads after Xehanorts looks at where he is he remembers his past life, and one wants revenge on the other three chasers hence the keyblade war. To my findings Mickeys letter talks about Xehanort living on through his keyblade and such. Feel free to comment on this good or bad. ;)

((((((((Well what if birth by sleep refers to the dreams sora and roxas had...these dreams could have been sort of like awakening of untapped powers they had within. for example in sora's dreams sora encountered the big large heartless(which was said to be sora's inner darkness) which he had to defeat the the help of whatever item he chose(shield, sword, staff).that was one thing in his dream.....the other thing was:
That in the dreams there was the door that told him a BIG journey lay ahead and that he must know things like "the closer you get to the light, the bigger your shadow will be" which I am lead to believe might mean:
-remeber when leon once mentioned that the heartless had been following sora around because of the keyblade he had. SO i am lead to believe that it is possible that the keyblade could be either light or somebody elses:
*Light- SO lets say the keyblade is light...the more and more sora fought with the keyblade the more and more heatless would come at him and the more tougher and dangerous his life wud become...to prove that the keyblade makes his life more dangerous in the struggle for light imagine if sora had never accepted the keyblade and just decided to settle in traverse town with a wife and 27 kids(LOL!) his life wud probably be pretty dull and the keyblade wud then chose someone else....now think about all the struggles sora has had to go through because of the keyblade.....fight org.13, beat ansem, lock all the keyholes in like,what 24 worlds?, he also has to beat every boss battle in each wolrd , help evry person out in each world etc.......
BUT remeber the door alsoo said "do not be afraid" which probably explained that he wud hav to go through many struggles to get what he treasured the most bak.........kairi and riku. Also wud refer to the new freindship he made which made his world brighter! :angel: ^that is one theory^

- So, now think what if sora's keyblade was actually somebody elses and sora was just a tool that somebody used to make the keyblade stronger....for example somebody could hav given the keyblades to sora and made him fight battles and things like that, that made the keyblade stronger in essence...then wen the keyblade cud no longer get any stronger, the keyblade wud b suddenly taken away from sora!! Think about it....it makes sense if this "somebody" was............... THE THREE AFs!!!!!!!I belive the three AFs are CHASERS who made the keyblades and used sora as somewhat of a tool to stregthen the keyblade....maybe for good or mayb for bad!!!!!!Maybe they each gave the keyblade to riku mickey and sora to strengthen them for their own purposes....which explains the secret ending....i belive the secet ending might be:
-After a while maybe 2-5years or so sora, riku and mickey find somewhat of peace and find there isnt much need for their keyblades, wen they were actually taken away, (which they did not notice because they didnt need them) and were placed in between the four corssroads.... then one day A great unknown evil is formed in riku,sora, and mickeys wolrd and they only way to defeat them is by using the keyblade...but then as they each try to call forth they keyblade they do not appear......... so mayb they went to the crossroads as a way of finding whats was going on, then they find the three AFs with their keyblades and the struggle begins! SO the shadowy figure u see coming at the end could possibly be SORA MICKEY AND RIKU coming at different times (for example first riku arrives then sora arrives then mickey which explain why we only see one figure at the end!!!!!!)))))))))

((as for roxas: he had the dreams to untap the powers of his "other" and that was the great and mysterious power of the keyblade because otherwise he wud still be in twilight town eating sea salt ice cream and sora wud still be sleeping!!!))

*srry if its hard to understand i tried to write it as fast as possible....please give me any feedbak u see is needed so we can improve my theory thanks!! :-D* phew!

and i am not contradicting the CHASERS theory i am simply adding more depth to it!!!!!!!!!!

Hey guys I wont be on for about 3 days because were going to vacation so if anyonw will notice that im gone, im probably at vacation. So I hope to see u guys in about 3-4 days. BYE! *tear*

bye fireshade!! :angel:
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hey kiari-lover i just reposted my theory so u dont hav to go look through the other oages ok?

Bye fireshade24, NeXidala OH that one yes I read it and it's good, except that yours and mine are fairly different, but all the same a good theory.

no lol i was jus sayin it supported the prat where it says sumthin about xehanort ebing stored in its keyblade....i said sumthin similar to that :jump: :insane: :jump:

so think there is anything i could add on or take out of my theory??

no, adding in my theory might help but it'd only make it longer! it's fine the way it is *of course you could add in THE AMBUSH!!! from Sora and Mickey!!*

yay the GREAT, FIERCE, AMBUSH!!!! .........MICKEY AND SORA!!!

I'm getting off for a bit okay ;)

ok bye :D
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but for real mayb they have a real ambush with like leon and claoud yufie tife all the gang? doubtful i kno

Ok, here we go, a somewhat revised version of my history of Kingdom Hearts.


In the beginning, there was Kingdom Hearts. Every heart is, was, or ever shall be, was Kingdom Hearts. It was the realm of dreams, and the source of all light, and the source of all darkness.

Worlds were forged by Kingdom Hearts, and it gave them life. All the worlds were perfect, and all hearts were perfect, and there was great joy.

Kingdom Hearts granted three Keyblades to the three leaders of three worlds. Each keyblade was a keyblade most pure, and so through them, the three great kings ould weild the power of Kingdom Hearts. These keyblades were composed entirely of light, and entirely of darkness, 100% each.

One day however, something happened. Someone died, and Kingdom Hearts reclaimed the heart again. When this happened, people forgot what Kingdom Hearts was, and so it was lost to all eternity. Then, the great division began, and people thought they could only side with the light, or the darkness.

The leaders, sided with their worlds, and became three great forms. One was a keyblader of Light, one of Darkness, and one of Twilight (50% balance). As such however, they could still weild the power of kingdom hearts.

In times to come, they forged more keyblades, each impure, but powerful, and so a great war was waged upon the others. This would come to be known as the keyblade war. The keyblades that were forged were suppliment counters to the weilders hearts. Those who sided with the darkness, weilded keyblades of light, and those who sided with the light, weilded keyblades of darkness. However, those who sided with Twilight, did not fight within the war, and had no keyblades.

Kingdom Hearts knew that their power was great, so long as the weilded it's awesome power, so Kingdom Hearts sealed it's self away. Only seven Princess of light, and a keyblade of darkness could again open the great force.

Obviously, it occured to the dark king of keyblades that he could open it with his own keyblade and seven princesses of light, but it was not so. He required a different keyblade.

Kingdom Hearts saw the powers of the three still remained, and so it acted once more. The keyblades were lost, and the kings reformed into Chasers. Those who followed the dark, became the first heartless, and their world became the realm of darkness. Those who folowed the light, were formed into the seven hearts of pure light that would one day become the seven princesses of light, and their world became the realm of light. Those who followed the balance are all that remain, their world broken froma once glorious world, into many, many smaller ones across the depths of space.

The former kings, now Chasers, were powerful warriors. They had bodies of non-exsistance, similar to that of a nobody, except they had a heart. However, unlike normal people, they had blank hearts and souls. They weilded three keyblades of powers unknown, however, they had blank hearts, and weilded no keychains upon their mighty keyblades. Their purpose was to hunt down and find all of the impure keyblades.

Many of the impure keyblades were taken by the chasers, but others were not. They were eventualy de-formed into keychains. Keyblades are weapons of heart, forged by the light and/or the darkness into metal, and then joined with the heart. Keychains, in anceint days, did not exsist, however, some keyblades could be joined together when a keybladers life was lost, what resuted was a keyblade with the experiance of the former master and the current, creating an even more powerful Keyblade. These are the keyblades that would oneday reform into the many and various Keychains. One such Keychain, was the Ultima weapon, forged from many, many lost Keybladers. This Keychain was destroyed, it's remnants scattered across the universe.

When some of the anceint keyblades were reformed into Keychains, they were passed down through the centuries, and their experiances were forgotten. Now, keychains can be equipped to Keyblades to reform them, making them more powerful, but at the same time, further from their truest form of exsistance. The Keychains will reform themselves based on the expierances of the Keyblader weilding them. The three keyblades of Light, Darkness, and Twilight still exsist, however, they are no longer as pure and powerful as they once were. The dark keyblade was lost into the realm of darkness. The Light keyblade was lost to the realm of light. The Keyblade of Twilight, was lost to both the realm of darkness, and the realm of light.

The darkest keyblade, which when used with the seven hearts of light, that could one day re-open Kingdom Hearts, is the counter point of the seven hearts of light. This is the keyblade that could only exsist when all seven hearts of light were together again. This keyblade is 100% darkness, and has no counter point of light EXCEPT the seven princess of heart, so it can only exsist in their presence.

Just a theory.

wally that was brilliant! but about the twilight keyblade....could it be last mayb in between the two realms mayb in the corridors of darkness? because no one has really decribe to me what the corridors of darkness really are other than that they connect sum worlds.....but anyways....... so lets say those three chasers are the leaders of light dark and twilight?? who do u think i sthe shadowy figure?? and also why did u mention that those who joined with light weilded keyblades of darkness and those who sided with darkness wielded keyblades of light??? thx for answerin!!

Because I have often suggesed that the keyblades attack power comes form clashing forces. In order to maximize the power, those with darkness had to weild light.

The twilight keyblade was lost to both realms in my version. Only someone who had the darkness and the light in balance could weild it, such as Riku.

As for the sahdow, I dunno. Maybe Riku and Sora were merged together into a single form in the far future, and they became an evil entity of power, and to make sure that they kept their power, they have gone back in tme to make sure everything happens the way it should.
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LIKE DANNY PHANTOM

o i c now i understand.................danny phantom....no comment :stars: :-D

What?!
There was a TV movie where future Danny is EVIL! He merged with a badguy, became uber powerful and uber evil, and then began to destroy everything and kill everyone!

He went back in time, to make sure the events in the past unfolded as they were meant to happen.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo never caught it....then again i dont really watch nickolodeon(or w.e u spell it) more like mtv mtv2 vh1 and disneychannel adult swim and thats usualy it lol

Meh, Danny is just about the only good show left on Nick anyways.
But this is really getting off topic.

I wonder if a person could intentionaly become a heartless and then manage to revert to normal through sheer force of will OR strength of heart?

Hey everyone,
Looks like there is a new board here?
Now what did you guys do to the last one? ;) jk hahaha It's too bad though... I had some great theories... errrr semi-great theories on the last one that are gone now, haha but whatever, Im glad to see everyone is back and disscussing again :)

So what are you all talking about now? It's been pretty much 2 weeks since I have been on now hasnt it? :( and guess what?? Im still not allowed to stay on and theorize with you... well past these next about 5 minutes that I have ;) so any new theories??

-Rahxas

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Hey Rahxas, long time no see!
Yeah, I just posted my theory on the origin of the Kingdom Hearts Universe a page back. It's towards the bottom, and kind of hard to miss, as it is REALLY long.

Okay awesome I'll go check it out... but unfortunatley after I check it out I have to head out because we are redoing the whole house, and guess who gets to move the furniture and paint? haha yess that would be me ;) anyways tell everyone I said hi and miss em bunches, and I'll go read your theory :)



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wow Wally!! That is one heck of an awesome theory!! Although then again what else should we expect from you? :D I would have a long response for it but haha I really gotta jet now! It was great being here though!! Byyeee!!


Wooaa wait... can someone explain why all my posts are gone now?? did they like dissapear with the old fourm? oh sad that sucks. I should shut up now!!

Okee dokee, see you later.
Also, we have our own sub-forum for useless banter like this, you should check it out when you get the chance :)

I just thought of something, I thinke that in the next KH game if jack sparrow is in it that he will be a bad guy. I say this because he wants Soras keyblade. I think he also says he'll figure out a way to use it, right?

well if jack sparrow finds out a way to use a keyblade that that wud mean almost anyone cud find out how to use it right??

Keyartist, that's a good thought. Throughout KH2, there were a ton of characters saying that they wanted the keyblade.

"Originally Posted by Wally The Weird
I wonder if a person could intentionaly become a heartless and then manage to revert to normal through sheer force of will OR strength of heart? "

Sora did that. Remember? That's how Roxas was formed. He impaled himself with the dark keyblade and became a Heartless to release Kairi's heart, and then came back to normal.

What happened to the old thread?

it got deleted by sum guy no one knows who it was so they had to start this new thread but if u wanna chatter about kh u can go to the kh lounge its fun there :-D

But still where are all our thoeries and crap weve been talking about for a year? That sucks

Yeah there all gone and your posts might have gone because since the thread got deleted it's like they were never there. But if you talk to Jesse Smith he will help you out he did to me. Like Roxas Lover went from 800 some to like 100 and some it makes you go mad but just talk to Jesse Smith and he'll help you out.

yea thats how i got my posts bak but u gotta ask jesse otherwise ull hav to post ur way bak to those numbers lol

:D

GOOD MORNING, if KH3 comes out what does everyone think the different worlds would be? like Narnia... thought I might ask. Also if it happens to become a movie what do you think it'd be like? these are both asking your opinions.

if it was to become a movie, it would hopefully be like advent children, and be like what happened between Chain of memories and Kingdom hearts 2.

what or where do u guys think that cloud and sephiroth went cuz i heard they went to another realm to fight their battle but im not too sure about that...what/where do u think happened to cloud and sephiroth??? :fencing:

HEY ROXAS!! :-D

Hi everyone, I thought I might share this definition of betwixt and between, :in a MIDWAY position: neither one thing nor the other. This is from a dictionary. what do you think?

mayb betwixt and between is actually more than wat we see wen ur there if u lok around there is a bunch of signs of the nobodies so mayb that is where they truly reside

That's good glad I could help NeXidala :) also I just took that KH2 questionaire just so you're aware of that, and Sanaxis...

maybe its like a gummy route, only you go on foot. i dunno.

Maybe but maybe it's like that past of the place sora was standing at trying to decide which way to go but there use to be like 4 paths instead of 2.

does anyone hav any new theories???

I have the theory that Betwix and Between is code. It is in-between the world that never was, which doesn't really exsist, and the second twilight town composed of Data. Thats my theory anyway.

but is betwixt and between even near wilight town?? i think it is more like a corridor of nothing...u kno....like coridor of darkness but of nothing because that is what it seems like............. betwixt and between: a corridor of nothing

Well, the portal to enter Betwix and Between is in the alternate twilight town.

o ok wally lol im srry but still, i believe betwixt and between is a corridor of nothing! wait if there is a corridor of darkness and possibly a corrdior of nothing (betwixt and between), could there b a corridor of light??

Corridore of nothing actualy fits better.
And yes, there was one of light, Riku and Sora used it to get home at the very end of the game, remember?

i live in betwixt and between lol and i belive its a realm of nothing in between darkness and light and where reality mixes with dreams essentilly a world of nothing...

Hi everyone, I'm going to post a few other definitions of things having to do with KH: nobody, nobodies: a person of no influence or consequence.
nothing, nothingness: something that doesn't exsist. zero. nonexsistant utter insignifigance. a metaphysical entity opposed to and deviod of being and regarded by some exsistentialists as the ground of anxiety. death viod emptiness.
I was going to do light and darkness but there are WAY TOO MANY DEFINITIONS!
Twilight zone, an area just beyond ordinary legal and ethinical limits. a world of fantasy, illusion, or unreality.
Dawn, first appearance of light in the morning followed by sunrise.
There you go hope it helps.

nice research kiari!!

i think that's a really good theory..but i never really saw the secret ending although i was aware of it..the only actual pic of the ending i saw was on the other post (and i cant remember who posted it). I don't understand how sora, donald, and goofy were cast to sleep because last we saw them was when they were chasing pluto down the road for micky's letter. They were asleep 4 a year right? Please help me out here!!!! I want to kno.. when did roxas join the organization,once he was formed? and who was the first person who found roxas?

DiZ found roxas after he was formed and i think he brought him to the org. and sora and co. went to castle oblvion after they chased pluto

WEWT! I think I have an answer to my own question that makes sence!
A while ago, in the lounge, I asked the question "If Roxas didn't have a heart, why were the heartless attacking him?" And I came up with an answer!
Xenmas wasn't trying to finish him off! He was testing him! Not for strength, but for his Keyblades!

Think about it;

Xenmas wanted to build his own kingdom hearts right? To do that, he needed hearts, and to get those hearts, he needed the heartless to be destroyed by a keyblade and release the hearts.

If Xenmas had a member who could weild keyblades, he wouldn't need Sora to kill off the heartless, he would just need Roxas to do it with ease. Riku showed up and played interference, and Roxas dispatched him. I beleive Xenmas determined they needed Sora to kill the keartless as only his (and possibly Riku and the kings) keyblade(s) would get the job done. I then think Xenmas may have wanted to sacrifice Roxas (Sorta) to restore Sora so he could do this. Roxas wasn;t too thrilled, and thats why he left!

His wasn't leaving because he wanted to be whole, he wanted to exsist. Initially anyway, he ended up doing what Xenmas wanted in the end, just not when he wanted it.

Thanks for the complements everyone.

Thanks Nexidala for answering my question but I habe another stupid one(lol). Who's DIZ cuz i finished my game a long time ago and how can you get the secret ending?

DIZ is Ansem the Wise, You find this out when Mickey talks to Diz in a cut scene. It stands for something but I can't remember it's like Darkness in Zero.

oooo...I remember now. I think it stand for..Darkness in..i don't know the last word.

o sorry..guess i didn't see that part.

It's ok we all make mistakes were not perfect you know.

I'm about to sound like a real geek but....yeah i'm kinda new to the site I know how to work the basic points but is there some kind of buddy list on this site..so i can keep track of who i was talking to and wat thread I was on?
Wow I feel like an idiot(lol)

You can go to youtube.com and look up KH2 Secret Ending and you can watch it there.
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Yes there is a buddy list. If you want you can add me. All you got to do is click on my name and then click on view public profile and then look around and you will see a add Roxas23857 to buddy list click yes and then it will do something click ok and you'll be done.

heyy..thanks for that..now I know how to use the buddy list. I'll brb. I'm gonna check out the ending. One question..how did u unlock th ending...were you on a harder level?

Nope you have to get the Journel to 100 complete and I think all space battle to S rank or something like that.

Space battle? News 2 me.

Well I don't think so but it's mainly just getting the Journel to 100% complete.

with all the characters, maps, and treasures?

Yup that's what you have to do it takes a while but it gets fun after a while because you level up and are able to kick *** to all heartless and nobodies.

did u play on the normal level or the harder one?

I played on normal just...I don't know why...

Yeah standard that is what I meant your right...sorry.

Yeah, you can unlock the ending by either completing the journal on Standard [getting the Mickey Mouse symbol by everything there, you don't need to do anything with the gummi routes], or by simply finishing the game on Proud mode.

Man, I haven't been on here for a while.
By the way, I read Wally's theories on the Keyblade and Roxas. You're right. Remember Chain of Memories? Xemnas [known to us then as The Superior] was using Sora as a pawn to gather hearts. He tried to manipulate Sora's memories to fully use Sora and the Keyblade to get hearts for Kingdom Hearts.
Then Riku and the other Organization members betrayed him.

What do you two think of the dictionary's light and darkness definitions that I posted?

you know what I wonder. Y was mickey wereing that organization coat?

that is a good one? why is that?

Maybe Mickey was just trying to blend in but wouldn't they recognize him? or maybe he liked the coat...who knows.

yeah I think you might be right he was try ing to blend in like riku

They probably got the Org. Coats from DiZ or something, concidering the both of them were working along side DiZ for the most part of their ventures (at least from what I remember, I may be totally wrong though).

Im just curious to know what kind of deal Mickey had with the Org. Because I remember when he is talking to Sora in the Hollow Bastion place in Ansem's Study or whatever it was called... the place with the computer.... he says that the Org. might be watching him, does that mean he actually aligned with them and made a deal even though he still had his heart?

haha maybe Im just stupid and dont remember a lot of stuff, anyways Im going on vacation after next week, so if I dont have a chance to get back on, see you all in a month ;)

and yes Keyartist, this is the same Rahxas from before ;) just with a really low post level now XD hahaha

Hi .
WOW I have not been on for 5 day's sorry look's like I missed alot. :(

EDIT why is it saying I have one post I had like 108 when I left what's going on ? And why doe sit say that there are 12 pages ?

because the old thread was deleted and unless u ask jesse for ur posts bak ur post count probably dropped....ALOT!! so this is a new one and thats why its only at 12 pages eno

Oh thank's how do you ask for them back ?

u just go "hey jesse i just got bak and i noticed the khII thread was deleted and i lost all my posts do u think i can get them bak? i had around (insert number) posts...thx bye!!!" or sumthin like that :D
BTW u shud go to the KH lounge thats where evryone hangs out now :D

ok cool were is that?

EDIT
Got to go ttyl bye.

now I have a question, does anyone know what the actual word that goes with the meaning no heart or another? you know the word from Xehanort just without the X. Thanks much! :)

Look, there are a few reasons why they may have been wearing the org coats.
Mickey: He traveled in the realm of darkness and as such, can move between places through the corridores of darkness. The coat may serve as 'Camoflauge' to keep his heart hidden while doing so, so that he won't loose it.
OR
He needed a disguise and they thought it would be funny to put him in an org coat in an attempt to hide himself ironically.

Riku: Used to get close to Roxas before attacking him.
Same purpose as mickey's first reason.
To show acceptance of the darkness, but not to the same level as when he had the heartless outfit.
To look totally BADASS

Well guess what? When a person turns into a heartless, they really split into three things: the heart, the body, and the spirit. If you pay attention you will notice that. What is referred to Memories of Xehanort is meening is spirit. It is confirmed that the three armored people in the secret ending of KH2 aren't Sora, Riku, or Kairi. What I believe is that the armored people are the spirit, or the "memories" of the keyblade weilders. If you think about it, another group of enemies could be formed by the spirits just like Organization XIII did. I also think that if Sora, Riku, and Kairi had the hearts taken away or sided with darkness, then there has to have been a brief split of the heart, body, and soul. I think the armored people are their spirits.

Well guess what? When a person turns into a heartless, they really split into three things: the heart, the body, and the spirit. If you pay attention you will notice that. What is referred to Memories of Xehanort is meening is spirit. It is confirmed that the three armored people in the secret ending of KH2 aren't Sora, Riku, or Kairi. What I believe is that the armored people are the spirit, or the "memories" of the keyblade weilders. If you think about it, another group of enemies could be formed by the spirits just like Organization XIII did. I also think that if Sora, Riku, and Kairi had the hearts taken away or sided with darkness, then there has to have been a brief split of the heart, body, and soul. I think the armored people are their spirits.

Reply if you have a comment.

GOOD MORNING, and could someone please answer my question! please!! by the way all the research I've done is for the benefit of everyone here, so it'd be nice if you helped me now. That's a really good theory Retezomer.

I don't think that the Armored Figures have really anything to do with Sora, Kairi, Riku, or the King. I think they're completely new characters, like Nomura says.
And my theory on the chasers is that it's the freed soul/spirit.
Heart = Heartless
Body = Nobody
Soul = Chaser

Why Chaser? Because they seek out a body and heart to complete. They chase hosts.

But I think antisora might be on to something. The definition of Chaser is One who decorates metal by engraving or embossing. So maybe the Chasers [the lost souls] are what create the Keyblades....what become the Keyblades.

i think it does have somthing to do with sora and the others

if u watch the movie againyou will see that AF1 is Riku sized AF2 is Sora/Kairi sized and AF3 is about king micky's size so i think that they are waiting for figure4 (sora or kairi) just a thought

tht was easy? geez lol jk but no i belive tht one of the four af's are xehanort since they didnt really describe him much and i belive kh3 will tell of his life in the past...
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kiari wht was ur question? sry i cant find it...

What I mean by my question is, Nomura said that Xehanort rearranged means no heart or another I want to know what the actual word is.
Also you know in the beggining when Roxas gets Namine's sketches for the symbol in the library this is probably what it means, circle TOP LEFT nobody, TOP RIGHT heartless, BOTTOM soul (although in the game the bottom circle is blank). That meaning, you die-heartless (heart), nobody (body), soul (memories) form. Credit goes to Retezomer.

kiarai lover i already stated that i believe in mayb boith threads about the symbol! i was actually pretty paranoid about it but nobody really seemed to care not even wally....so ur probably not gonna get mutch yoo-hah for it ;) anyways mayb the third symbol DOES represent memories

ohh sry dont know about his name but u have a good point there kiari well i mean retezomer does lol ill think on it...

Thanks Sanaxis for trying... and you're welcome NeXidala.

Kairi lover, go here.
All your friends are here and I miss ya. :(
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hello. whats up

if u study the third symbol carefully it is a circle with some types of spikes going across it and then an X is over it...we kno from the heartless sign that the X probably represents that it is missing that element and we kno from the nobodies that the X in the name means that they are missing a heart as well...
SO mayb the circle with the spikes that make the circle seem like it is trying to break free from it...mayb it is either:
-The Soul
-Memories
-Spirit
which wud make it the third enemy most likely!
whaddaya guys think?

This place is dead since they deleted the old one.
I gave up on this place a long time ago.

i hope the pirites world will be back in the 3rd game

It'll be based off of the second movie and maybe the third.

stop filling it with spam and one liners!!!!!!!! its a slow going place for theories!!!!!! now what do u think of my symbol theory??

kool but also i just had another thought!! what if the three AFs are a heartless a nobody a (err..) souless, and the 4th person is a keybllade weilder? pulled it out of the air so we can cut or think about these options...what do u think? it wud explain sumwhat the 3 symbols (the heartless,nobody,souless, and evrything that completes it is the keyblade weilder?? g2g bye

NeXidala I'm not sure I get what you're saying, do you like the avatar? ;) and bye.

The third symbol could just be reference to the X in their names.

Now, as for the souless, chasers, or whatever you wanna call them, WAY more people then Ret have come up with the concept before, myself inculded.

Here is something though. In the secret Ansem reports, it's stated that the body AND Spirit of a person comprise a nobody. My theory however is that a Chaser may be born of one of a few possibilities.

When a nobody is destroyed of an exceptionaly strong Spirit, the soul lives on, and forms a new 'shell' to serve as it's body.
A possible scenario to this is that they divide into as many parts as possible to destroy those who destroyed them.
OR
When a nobody is destroyed, the soul remains, and after enough have been destroyed, the souls gather and mix to form one spirit, and create a new shell to serve as it's body.
OR
A combination of the above.

heyy people!!haven't been on in a couple of days. Let me respond to the question ," y is mickey wearing an organization quote". I think he was wearing it so he could find Riku and try to make him give up his dark powers and come back to help Sora/everyone.

Hmm... I think it stands for spirt or soul something like that but you are on the right track NeXy!!

GOOD MORNING, Wally that's a great theory, and a good guess Rahxas.

need to check...

That is a good theory Wally and Rahxas you did a good job of coming up with that.

I never really though of that until I saw ur prediction(which by the way is really good)...but i don't remember when riku sees himself..wow..i feel so out of it.lol

just a off topic question but does any one have khcom sprites?

wat r those?

You know the sprites that are on the gameboy advance game.

ooo..i never played the game boy game because i thought it was the whole first game over again accept with little playing cards...so then wat was it about?

something about sora loseing his memories in castle oblivion It was right after kh1.

i haven't heard of them either..but i also never played the game.

ok thanks eney ways.

This is a sprite.
[IMG]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c223/confusedangelfalling/Avatars/sprites/39ced6b0.jpg[/IMG]

how was sora put to sleep? Last we saw him he was chasing pluto for the kings letter...did he fall asleep after "loseing his memories"?

if that's a sprite then...wait shouldn't that be a little character?

o yeah!!! I fricken 4got that..who took them?

do u think i should play chain of memories to help me put together the little details i missed? when did roxas join the organization?sora was asleep for a year..roxas was born right b4 then cuz it was at the end of khI. Roxas was known as a really good fighter..wasn't he? How much damage could he have caused in a year? Namiine is a nobaody of kiari but she was never a heartless...was she?

You should play COM.
It would explain a lot.
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Castle Oblivion is in COM.

Hmm... how was namiine created?

no i mean wat world was castle obliion in and yes how was namine created? I remember the real ansome talking to riku(in fake ansome form) about how useful namine was and stuff that sounded like they wanted to stop her but then i figured out who the people were and then i wondered y they'd want 2 stop her. i just cant remember what they said about namine

They never said what world Castle Oblivion was on.
I think they say in KH3.

They never said where c.oblivion was.

i should play com(for the 1st time) and khII again so i can remeber the details and get the ending of khII..but i already saw it on the computer..just not in the game

Yes you should play COM.

i hear it's a good way to clear up any little detail..but i also hear u have to play with little card?

You fight with cards.

i di8d not like that part of the game.

Hm ... I dunno if Sora and the gang still had their ship after KH1 so whatever world they ended up in was probably it.

OKAY, Castle Oblivion The heroes' quest continued, this time to find a way to bring Riku and King Mickey home. They came upon a strange structure called Castle Oblivion, the staging base of the Organization. This shadow group drew Sora in and, using a young girl named Namine who has the power to manipulate memories, led Sora into their trap. As Sora progressed up each of the Castle's floors and his memories faded and twisted, Riku and King Mickey fought their way up from the Castle's basement. Sora and his friends discovered the renegade Marluxia, who sought to wrest control of the Organization. Marluxia was defeated and Namine released from her captivity. Namine promised to restore Sora, Donald, and Goofy's memories as they were before they entered the Castle. But the process of restoring the chain of true memories would take a year, so the trio were sent into a deep slumber as Namine began their recovery.
There you have it straight from the guide book, can't be put much better than that.

could be.

I hope it helped you

so maybe thats how kingdom hearts was created.

flcl dream thing!!!!!!

that did help.but one thing that always bothered me about khII was that they never really tell how namine was created..she's the nobody of Kiari but kiari was never a heartless was she? Do you think all the heartless (even the those littlepesky black ones) have a nobody?

maybe a kiari from soras memories got turned into a heartless.

OKAY agian, Kairi got turned into a nobody and SORT OF a heartless, now this happened when their Island was disappearing Kairi's heart intertwined in Sora, so Sora had his and Kairi's heart in him, Namine was born from that then somewhere else, Kairi didn't technically have a heartless. About the whole memories thing with Namine: because Namine was born when Kairi's and Sora's heart intertwined she could influence his memories. To get full description on all of this read Secret Ansem's Reports.

Cool!

That cleared up alot

It's amazing how everyone on this site knows all the info..where do u get it from?

i think kingdom hearts was always there..but it just became stronger when sora, kiari, riku, and roxas (mabey namine) discovered their powers

Guys, please refrain from short, one liner posts, we don't want another fiasco like the last board.

Here is something for you guys to ponder; What if, the real ansem, and indeed, everyone, was wrong? What if Nobodies are not the bodies left behind, but the souls? Think about it, if it was the body, then how did Namine come into exsistence when Kairi was basically brain dead when she lost her heart?

What if the empty shells left behind have yet to truley come into play? Or, maybe their are multipe types of nobodies?

I'm glad I could help. and GOOD MORNING! :)

Goo morning

Good morning.

Goo morning

good morrow to thee neighbor!

Goo morrow to thee to thee to

Hello to you too jeff.

Hello mate

Hello.

I wanted to ask, is anyone other than myself on RPG Inferno? I just joined a clan, I thought if someone else here is they could give me a few pointers? only if you want though.....

What clan are you in?

the warlords...

I am in that clan too.
What do you need to know?

COOL! how to fight, not that I have a weapon yet..... and I already picked a job: wizard.

You creat a battle and even if you don't have a weapon you can fight with your fists.If you need me to explain with more detail I can.
Whats your character name?
My name is Alice.

I'm Larisa, and you can fight with fists even a wizard? hence the whole magic thing.. you may PM me your answer. I just figured something: **A-*l-*i-^c-e L-a-r-i-s-a *=I used this letter once **=two times ect. ^=c in Alice is "s". so take out the e add the r, and Alice turns into Larisa! :)

Ok I'll PM you here soon.

Thanks Roxas Lover.

Ok I PMed you.

hmmm, i am back from my largish break from this site, i barely do anything on it but still i like to do some fun stuff here, i hope kh3 isnt ps3 only...

Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Quote] also i would like to know how i could put a picture where this is typed, plz tell me if u notice this [\Quote]
Ask Kairi Fan about it.

Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rahxas!!!!!!!!!

I hope its on the ps2 .

hello evryone i am bak from my vacation!! thank you rahxas i think u might be right about the third symbol being the other enemies that arent either heartless or nobodies! and BTW since it takes about 4 years to make a kh game dont u think that if they made KHIII for the ps2 the graphics wud be outdated compared to all the other games that would hav probably come out by then dont cha think??

If Twilight is the unity of light and dark wouldn't be a santuary for both roads.
Lets say one takes the road to light and another goes to the road to darkness they go down the paths they have chosen for a while and want to met again like in the begining but in the road to twilight they continue going their paths but try to do the opposet of the road they chose good does bad and vice-versa.so they would met in the road to twilight which is the connection to light and dark, and it still is where both dark and light reside without clashing and bear no grudge against the other sorta like a peace maker.Because when you go down the path of light or dark you just began that road and your learning more of the path you chose, you arent full light or full dark from the beginning you grow and adapt to it but since there is a road to twilight then you must learn more of the opposite of the orad you chose and balance yourself out not too dark or too light,gaining Abiltites from both but can't reach the abilites you gain from being absolute light or dark.




______Absolute Light________________________Absolute Darkness
___________\---\____l-----Twilight------l________ /---/____________
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______________l--------l___l--------l___l----\/---l____________
______________l--------l___l--------l___l---------l____________
_______________ Light_____Twilight______Dark_________________
________________\----\____/------\_____/----/___________
_________________\----\___l-------l____/----/___________
__________________\----\__l-------l___/----/______________
___________________\---------------------/_________________
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yes mr n u hav posted that many times b4 and we all kno it is possible but couldnt somone initially take the road to light but end up in absolute darkness??

I know but I might as well just put up my old theories.

The chasers all came from diffrent paths and if u look at the screenshot in the 1st page their are four paths just like in deep dive and the beginng of kh com. so each path has to have a story behind it just like when diz asked riku which path would he take,
so the path that each came from reprsent the side they have chosen or it would mean that the crafter of the keyblade came from the represetive roads.

They reason they all came into the roads is because the war took place in the intertwine path which they all met there. the crafters must have made keyblades to the people who wanted them or gave them to wage war against the other roads.


so that would mean the first AF crafts with the giant keyblade is from the road of twilight, the 2nd woman looking af came form the road of light, the 3rd af came from the road of the darkness and then the figure that looks like an organization member is coming from the road of beginnings.

since the war accured the people who partisipated in the war where all destroyed by the three people from each road that join and fight together which would be sora, riku and mickey, who fought and won then laid their kayblades on the ground and put it reprsenting the pathe they chose meaning that sora chose twlilght, riku chose dark and mickey chose light.

And each chaser picked up the keyblade of the warrior that reprsented thier path.

The org member must have been someone that was sleeping whilr this accuered and that what the last sentence meant by "It all began by birth by sleep" it had to been Xehanort memories turned into a person and they laid dorment during kingdom hearts 1 and 2.

The chasers are the keyblade crafters.
The master of the keyblade must have been sora.
The lost two must be Roxas and Namine because they are missing.

[quote=NeXidala]hello evryone i am bak from my vacation!! thank you rahxas i think u might be right about the third symbol being the other enemies that arent either heartless or nobodies! and BTW since it takes about 4 years to make a kh game dont u think that if they made KHIII for the ps2 the graphics wud be outdated compared to all the other games that would hav probably come out by then dont cha think??

about KHIII I...well I know somthing New, my friend at the square-enix web site told me. Problem is I can't go around talking about it, I could actually get in trouble this time around If I start yacking about it...

well anyway,
where'd you go to Vacation at?

Riku chose his path when the door to darkness was open and he used it to get of destiny island
Mickey was always siding with the light in kh1.
And Sora was chosen by the keyblade but he always had the weight of the darkness on his shoulders always bearing it on his back as a berdine, thus the darkness always going after him for being the keyblade master, so he had the light of the keyblade to protect him but also had the darkness of the heartless to go with the light since their is light and darkness in everything and thats how the worlds in their universe exsit

You know mr.nintendo I think I know why people are giving you so much guff. You really arn't well... you don't have a edge to you.

SO I am giving you one of my KH's/Mario pics. I hope you enjoy it, I really only took about a few minutes to make.

anyway here you go.

[IMG]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/mrnintendo_2006/mrnitendopicCreeatedbymrmicrosoftse.jpg[/IMG]

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The reason Riku had a blind fold was because he was ecepting the darkness but his eyes couldnt lie about his lightand needed the dark to help his best friend sora at any cost even if it meant to change his own heart and apperance and that is why he looked like Xehanorts heartless because he tapped into his complete darkness forsaken the light to defeat Roxas in the Dark city but still had his light in his heart that couldn't he overwhelmed by darkness.
Then when he defeated roxas he brought him back to diz so roxas could willingly join with sora to awaken him and become complete.
Then diz felt gulity for using riku to excate his revenge on the organization.
yeah but think about it someone said that they diffently have light and dark but maybe their light is so strong that their dark is supresed and can't be taken advantege of just like hoe ansem opened the door to darkness on destiny island and riku took that oppertunity and so ansem gained acess to rikus heart at that point of vulnerablity so the keyblade rejected riku and went to sora which he was about to join riku but the keyblade interviend

Yes if a person goes toward the light there can a a seprate road to turn you from light and that person can choose darkness or twilight.

Dawn---Light---Twilight---Nightfall---Dark
As said from deathedge

If anyone has any questions about riku,
Here take this:


At the end of Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories Riku and Mickey were confronted by diz and he asked riku which road would he take the road to the light or the road to the dark and Riku said "Neither, Im taking the middle road." Diz said "You mean the twilight road to night fall" and riku said "No the road to dawn." What he meant was that originally he chose darkness and he didnt want to be enslaved by it like when Xehanort's heartless took over his body and the only way to go forward toward the light was to go through dawn.

The way riku developed from the start of kingdom hearts 1 is that he accepted the darkness when Xehanort's heartless unleased a potal for the heartless to attack Destiny island and he took the darkness in not being afraid and allowing Xehanort's heartless to enter his body and in kingdom hearts chain of memories he was on the road to dawn rejecting his darkness and in kingdom hearts 2 when Diz said that getting roxas to join with sora would speed up sora's resteration process and riku went to the dark city to locate roxas without hesistation and fought roxas but came out of the fight defeated and that is why his arm is always limping cause of the injuries roxas inflected onto riku, but then riku didnt care about himself and only cared about helping sora so he tapped into the powers of darkness and accepting it to use as stregth which changed his physical form into Xehanort's heartless and fought roxas again but with a blindfold because his eyes couldnt lie about the light in his heart and his self-scrafice to help his best friend sora and his heart wasent consumed by the dark cause his heart had more light. And that is also the reason hw wore the blindfold was because he could sense anything with his dark powers and didnt need his eyes to fight.

so if it IS possible that a person can start at light and end up in absolute darkness wudnt that mean ur diagram has something missing??( just trying to improve ur diagram :D )

I guess but I'm too lazy to go back and think about it.


Did that scene happen in the future or in the past?
I would at least say it's an episode in the past, but.... Hmm, how should I say this? It's in the past but you can also think it's in the future, something like that.

notice how mr.nomura dosent say much but goes in circles, its a way to keep us in the edge of our seats so the hype has started.

Who are the 3 armoured people?
Those 3 are completely new people who haven't shown up at all. In fact, I've already thought of their names. Back when I was making that movie, I only had their settings but now I've even drawn their faces to give myself a clearer image of them.

The king, Sora and Riku's keyblades were there, too.
It's to show that those three armoured people aren't them but that doesn't mean they don't have connections. The words "Keyblade War" that showed up in the middle were to implicate that there were fights between Keyblades. Most of the puzzles in the first KH have been solved in KHII but there are many things about the Keyblade that haven't been revealed yet. A line from the previous game's Ansem Report #8 appeared in the movie but that is to say "It means this but it's not explained yet."
Does that mean you already have a plot for KHIII?
Hmm... I have an idea but it can't be helped because my team are planning to work on our next different title. So we're not working on KHIII now and we're not planning to work on it for some time, too. I have a plot in my head but I'm not sure if it'll be released to the world or just stay in there.

straight from the man himself
well it the first came out in 2002 and then com came out 2004 and kh2 came out 2006, so if my calculations are correct we will see kingdom hearts 3 in 2010 if the ps3 launch goes smothly and befor that a breif intermision on the psp in 2008 plus ff12 and 13 will delay that

alrighty....well i have figured out what the third symbol is and it is nothing new or exciting....it just stands for enemies that are not a heartless nor nobody....for example the MCP in Tron's world....blah thats a big dissapointment!!!

I could have told ya that.

Well Kingdom Hearts has many powers like the dragon nobody Xemnas had in the last battle I think it came from there.
Kingdom hearts is were all hearts go after thrie bodies are destroyed and not eclipsed by darkness. So Xemans probably thought that kingdom Hearts would have his heart so he can become complete. Kingdom Hearts need to have hearts and I guess that every member of the Orginization thought that their heart had become a heartless so they needed the keyblade to attack as many heartless and it could so the hearts would go to the artifical kingdom hearts and then I guess Xemnas and the reast of the Orginization would search for their own heart but Xemnas' heart is inside Xehanort's heartless and we don't know what happen to Xehanort's heartless last time we saw of him was in COM when he lost to Riku but if he can survive the light if the real kingdom hearts then he might have survived the battle between himself and Riku.

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Remeber this:
Heartless=Heart that was taken over by the darkness making it a heartless.....preety ironic.
The reason they call it a heartless even though there is a heart is because the heart dosen't commend the heartless only the darkness does.
Well maybe his still within Riku or he survived and went somewhere to find a new source of darkness to become stronger OR he's dead but then we need the two thing that make up Xehanort for hime to come back.
Xehanort's Heartless(Fake Ansem)+Xemnas=Xehanort
But then Ansem the wise said that when he found Xehanort, he had no memory of his past making a double nobody. I remember when you entered Hallow Bastion in the first KH there was a machine that said it was able to produce pure blooded heartless or was it a heart I can't remeber but if it was to make a heart then maybe Xehanort got another heart took it in with expirements then he was split into to more people.

Xehanort's original heartless
Xehanort split into two before kh then he got a heart then he went into the keyhole in hollow bastion in the presuit of darkness and then split again into his heartless that we've seen and Xemnas.
Another half-assed theory from me yet again flawed.

supa are u just reposting ur long theory in segments so i kno whether or not i have to read it again??

Yea.

o ok thx....anyways i was thinking about sumthin.....do u guys think hollow bastion aka radiant garden was created by ansem the wise or that it was already there wen he got there...like mayb an abandoned city? and also wen ansem the wise first got there was he alone or was he with a group of people??

In the secrt ansem reports there was people there bcause he needed he hearts.

?

The secret ansem report said he needed hearts so he used the citizens. BANZI!~!~!~!~!~!~!~

um i will look for it

ok tell me wen u have it so i can see it...thx :D

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mr.n stop that! uve done that in like 4 threads already... :fencing:

Whats(?) spose to mean Mr.n

Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thus it came to pass, that the darkness of one, spread to many, and the light was forevermore, lost to nothings eternal.

Not sure what it means, but it makes for an excelent ice-breaker :)

Behold, for within the nothing, there can forever and only be, nothing,
Within exsistence, there can for forever and only be, exsistence.
However, within the darkness, there shall always be a light,
And the closer to the light you go, the greater your shadow will be.

The last two I think I paraphrased, while the first two I made up. Just random stuff really. It is true if you think about it.

I call these 'The Four Laws' that govern the four realms outside of our own. The first line refers to Oblivion, the second to the Realm of Dreams, and the last two speak for themselves.

Now, before I end my whimsical philosphies of total crap, let me just check something;

Did we ever read the Ansem Report 0?

There was an Ansem Report 0?

Yeah it was very interesting to read. Good job Wally!!

Nice theory Wally, GOOD MORNING, maybe Ansem Report 0 is or has something to do with Xehanort's past life or past self? I don't know just a thought.

Hello my firend's.

Thanks Sanaxis, and hi Fullflamealchemist. Yes I mean what if Xehanort accidently and some what unknowingly (unknowingly meaning the same way Sora knew that "this is Roxas's twilight town") said something to Ansem about his past. AHA!! here we go, lets say Xehanort at some point in his past splits into a heartless and nobody, his heartless and nobody miracioulsy find and bond with eachother, except his heartless before that was very weak, so when they bonded Xehanort's heart was weak. Landed at Radiant Garden and his nobody accidently told Ansem something and Ansem was able to right it down.

thts very interesting kiari....and i would belive it from the go if i didnt already kinda hav a theory tht maybe xehanort isnt really the real xehanort and and the real xehanort fought the imposter until the fake was on deaths door...only remebering the name xehanort...tht just gave me an idea wht if the fake or the xehanort we know was a chaser? and thts wht gave him his unhuman like abilitys? just a thought
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555 posts yay!!!!lol

that makes sense to Sanaxis, and it's possible that that's why he has those abilities. I'm going to go ponder this for awhile I'll see you soon enough. ;)

Wewt, people like my interesting kingdom hearts.....stuff.
Also, yes, there is an Ansem Report 0, er just never saw it. Read the Secret Ansem Reports, it clearly says that he only wrote Ansem Report 0, the rest were penned in.

Now, just so you all know, and I think you should, in FF12, Gilgamesh will appear. And, he will be a boss, and among in addition to another sword I can't recall, he will have,
Clouds Buster Sword
Sephiroths Masamune
Squalls Revolver (Gunblade)
And Zidanes Dagger.

AWESOME!
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Indeed, very possible San.
I'm gonna have to look into that one, maybe repost my Xeahnort theory if nobody minds.

ok kiari :) oh and wally nobody minds and i will hav to read the ansem reports over see if i can find any more interesting things...

Lo and behold, my Xeahnort theory. Now, I have gone to the trouble of editing it, or will in a few minutes.


A good long while ago, the events that transpired between Sora, Riku, and the keyblade, on destiney islands, happened before. The first time however, was different, and involved Xehanort, and one other. Xehanort was meant to have the keyblade, but chose the darkness, and so it went to the other. Xehanort intended to control the darkness, and open a path to kingdom hearts, but the other stopped him. The two clashed as rivals and enemies, but no longer freinds. However, the other keyblader was alone when he fought Xehanort and ultimatley, could not defeat him. Before HE was beaten though, the other keyblader sacrificed his body to seal his heart into Xehanort's. The others light canceled out his darkness, and so he forgot who he was, and eventualy arrived on Ansems doorstep.

Over time, he was slowly called back to the darkness, which is eventualy what lead him to become a heartless. However, because of the keybladers light, he was exceptionaly strong. Instead of becoming just any heartless, he entered the heart of Riku, granting him not only great strength, but slowly corrupting him.

In Hallow Bastein, Riku drew forth a keyblade. I beleive that this was not only the keyblade of the original, but it was also twisted by Xehanort's dark influence. He eventualy used his original form, which I beleive he could do because he was using Riku's body to house himself. When he was destroyed, and Riku began to use his power as his own, he slowly transitioned it from Xehanort's to his own.

On Xenmas. He is a nobody, and he uses his laser blades similar to keyblades, which I beleive is not accidental. He uses them to symbolise his power of a keyblade, but being a nobody, and obsessed with nothing, he reforms his weapon from kyblades like Roxas, to laserblades of his own. Or, perhaps it was something he couldn't do because Riku was using the Keyblade.
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I can't bring myself to tear apart my theory for an edit, so I will just post an addition right here :)

Riku's keyblade that he used in hallow bastien, is not what I suggested. I beleive it is the dark suppliment to the pure hearts of light to the Princesses of Heart. So it is their darkness in a sence, which is what gives it it's innate ability to unlock hearts.

His second keyblade, way to the dawn, is a composition of his darkness, and the residual light left from the original keyblader that sealed himself within Xehanort. This light is what ultimatley aided Riku in reclaiming himself from the darkness, and sarting down the Road to the dawn.

Just a theory, anyway.

again a very good theory:)i still belive though wht i said before i just hav to edit it to make more sense lol

Just so you know, I got the dark keyblade from the Seven Princesses from Wikipedia, which has it listed, just an f.y.i
I did however, mold and adapt it.

Awsome thery wally!~!~!~

agian great theory Wally, and sorry I forgot nice sig. Sanaxis.

hello.

whats up kiari lover and Dark seth

sleepy.

Why did you stay up all night?

[COLOR=darkorange]hello , oh and nice theory Wally,[/COLOR]

Hello everyone I'm back!

I always do. IT IS SUMMER VACATION!

Hello!

Hey I'm back!!

Hello.

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hey evryone im bak!!! i think i posted sumthing in another thread that mite be considered a theory of such so im gonna go fish it out!

Guys, PLEASE refrain from simple one word or line posts like
"hi"
"Hello"
"I'm off"
It's not that I personaly mind, but the mods do, and frankly I don't want all this hard work and theories to get deleted on the account of Spam.

Now, here is something for you: Most everything takes place in the realm of light according to virtualy every source right? So, in the dark realm, would somethings like the heartless be inverted? (Instead being the light of peoples hearts)

Well, keep in mind, KH3 is a whiles away, so we don't have to go out and buy PS3's right this instant.

Besides, there will be more then 1 or 2 games for the PS3.

True that but I want one really badly but who knows my future.

ya i agree with wally kh3 wont be coming out for a good 3-4 years so odds are that the ps3 prices will be much lower than $600...plus since its coming out in a couple of years u can either decide to buy it sumtime soon and get other games for it or u can save ur money up and buy it wen kh3 comes out

Maybe Roxas isn't completly gone and Namine as well.

yeah personally that is probably the last we'll see of roxas and namine even though i wish it wasnt!!! :( i wanna play KHIII NOW!!!

Your not alone on the KHIII part.

i wish kairi and sora will be more in love with each other in khIII so that they can finally kiss!! :D

ME NEEDS IT!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~

what do u guys think should be included in khIII?? if u want u can decide judging from the secret ending or pretend u never saw the secret ending but know khIII is comin out ;)

Play as Kiari coool

i wud want to see sora and kairi hug and kiss and i wud like FF worlds

id emet that sora and kari should hug and kiss but that would just make riku even more so made at sora ( how do you fell about the post and pgs being deleted, i also couldnt come on becuase my 2nd cousin past away she was 42 and had a 14 year old dauter

Traning for what?

dakota is gonna in the army where evrything is hateful and depressing

HI RAHXAS!! :-D

traing for being a marine but im not really supose to talk about from what happened on the last posting area well i got to go because my moms mad well see u tommarow

About the whole Roxas and Namine thing, they are always going to be there in Sora and Kairi if you think about it, and the way that Nomura tied it off seemed finalized in a way.

About the whole kissing thing... I think that would be great and all, but I would also like to point out to you the totally brilliance this game has been made with because it has portraied every type of love there is without ever using the direct word, love or anything of the sort. Yet, it is still able to grab the emotions of each and every one of us..... so in doing so it would change things a little. (not saying I don't agree or anything.)

As to what I think should be included? I think Ansem needs a reapearance somewhere in the game, weather it be end or begining it would be great to know what really happened to him. Also, I'd love to see them recollect Xehanort's memories :)

hmmm other than that I know the Nomura is a brilliant guy and whatever he puts in the game is what belongs there :)

hey rahxas how come u dont post as often as u used to?

oohh that sux....hey do u mind if i add u to my buddylist?? :-D

BYE RAHXAS HOPE TO SEE YOU SOON!!! :-D

HI GUYS! Im came back from vacation! So anything new or something? Im glad to be back to vg!

Dernit guys! This isn't the lounge! We have a lounge for a reason! This is supposed to be more theory and speculation based, or discussing the secret ending.

However, I DO think pondering what will be in the next one counts.
I happen to beleive, without a shread of doubt, that Ansem Report 0 will play a role in the next game.

i never really read the ansem reports..i skimmed them to get the basic points...i can't remember any of them. How r important r they?

so do u think i should play the game again or at least go to my old file and re read them

their powers of weilding the keyblades

Re-read em, although playing the game again couldn't hurt :)
Also, you can look them up online. I would not be surprised if Ansem Report 0 played heavily into the next Kingdom Hearts game.

wat did report 0 say?

We don't know yet. It was only mentioned in the Secret Ansem reports, and we never saw it, at least, I don't THINK we did.

wow...i should really check out those reports

i dont understand though....why would ansem start at...ansem report "0" instead of starting at ansem report "1" if u ask me it doesnt make sense....

http://www.unlimitedgamer.net/coverage/kh/kh_ansem.php


Here are the first Ansem Reports.

http://www.unlimitedgamer.net/coverage/kh2/secret_ansem_reports.php

Self explanatory.

xenos was one of those links posted to explain why the ansem reports start at zero?

i dont think the group of people discovering their powers wud count since they are pretty much sora and kairi.....for example roxas isnt a different person than sora.....he is half of sora...not a diff person...just half of sora....and same with namine and kairi

See? Even says that Ansem only wrote number 0, and it is noticibly absent from the rest.

I wonder what information it could contain?

mayb went hey say that he wrote ansem report 0 mayb they r referring to the fact that he didnt write any of the reports.....

No, not a chance. Look at the screen shots on the very first page, and there is a shadow of the Ansem reports scrolling past, starting with 0.

mayb if u pause it in time u might be able to snatch a few words out from it!

On Sora's Kingdom keyblade it has a blue stripe and Mickey's red what do you think about that? what could it mean?

Well, King Mickeys keyblade is inverted version, so I bet if you look, you'll find a section of the Kingdom Key that has the same thing.

Note: I do not mean the colors are the oposites, cause Green would be the oposite of Red, not blue.

Kairi-Lover, what happened during that fight we had?

[COLOR="Plum"]sorry... about the RPG battle, one of my parents HAD to use the computer and "stole it away" from me when I wasn't there at the computer and I was really mad at that but.... about the colors, IN MY OPINION Red IS the opposite of Blue I mean.. that's just my opinion.

Supposing that there is a close relationship between the Princesses and the Keyblade, it seems likely that they will resonate with each other... I have chosen one special girl. I do not know if she possesses a power like that of the Princesses. But, there is a chance, and this is an experiment. She may lead me to the place where the one holding the key is... I shall send her off to the ocean of other worlds.

The ocean of other worlds=the same ocean where Riku and Sora end up and same ocean at the island.
7 princessess=the "heart" keyblade, keyblade+princessess=a open door, sense the princesses hearts make the keyblade. Sora's keyblade+Xehanort's heart keyblade=opens the DTD.
the special girl=Kairi no doubt, relationship with the keyblade weilder, Sora.
princessess=full of light, ex. Kairi, Namine full of light.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Plum"]I'm changing fonts [/COLOR]

I found u!!!!!



:chainsaw:


:rock:


:wizard:

hellooooo?
:simpson:

write sumthin already!!!



:mad::mad2:

way2dawn write sumthin already!!!!!!!!!




:mad:=:mad2:=:chainsaw:

hi, if Riku were to be a nobody this is what I'd think his name would be Kixur. just thinking out loud.

well, wb i suppose, even though never met you before

lol

way2dawn post sumthin anythingorv this will be u:chainsaw:
and thiswill also be u!!!:wizard:


by the way im the guy with the chainsaw and im also the dragon

well i have a question...do we kno in any instance where riku has been turned into a heartless?? and who created riku's replica again...i forgot...

o ok thx kiari lover

idk i thought it was zexion idk though dont quote me on tht lol

it was vexen and riku was never a heartless he befriended the darkness like ansem the wise:chainsaw:

Hmm, I wonder;
As horrible as it is to make a reference to it, I wonder if the Key Blade and the seven princesses really ARE like the dragon balls? You gather all seven, and you get to make a wish, lol.

The Keyblade draws the heartless to it in fear right? So, maybe because of the keyblades origins, it is drawn to the seven princesses, because they are all light? Maybe thats how you find them, and when you have them, thats when you draw the dark keyblade to open Kingdom Hearts.

Note: Bonus Credit goes to Kairi-Lover for inspiration and info post

I am SO sorry for double posting, but I had to do this in a new post as it is unrealted in a way.
I have DONE IT! I know what Ansem Report 0 is about (To some extent)!!!
Ansem Report 0 will give details of what the next enemy we will face is!!!!!!!!!

Here is my proof!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cCU3XdFzFho&search=Kingdom%20Hearts%20Secret%20ending
Quality sucks I know, I am sorry, but watch the video. Obviously, it is the deep dive video for Final Mix, but it gives a hint!! Go to exactly 2 minutes and 8 seconds. It is a flash of the ansem reports (Secret ansem I beleive) and it says

The Third Enemy=Nobodies

This means the real ansem has already encountered and recorded two other enemies before this! The heartless being the second I would wager, and the first report covering the first and in this case third.
1:New enemy
2. Heartless
3. Nobody

Because Ansem Report 0 came BEFORE the rest of them, this leads me to my conclusion that it gives at least some details about the new kind of foe we will face in KH3.

:wizard::chainsaw::simpson::evil:

Thank you for the incredible contribution. Please take the fall like the rest of the lemmings, the nearest cliff is that way ---->

BURN!

Kiari,his name could be something else like Kurix or Ruxik.
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And like Chaser said,Vexen is the one who created the Riku Replica but I forgot why.I think it had something to do with controling Sora or something like that.
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And there is always a possibilty that Riku could have turned into a heartless and that it was never explained in the game and will be in KH3.So who knows.

I'm glad that I was helpful, and yes there is possibility that in KH3 Riku'd become a heartless and nobody.

Okay this is kind of random and out of the blue... but don't you think that Sora would gain Roxas' memories once they are combined?

and also what do you think would happen if Riku started talking about Castle Oblivion and Sora had no recallable memories about that??

Also about the whole not knowing if Riku had a heartless or not... I'm pretty sure that we would know because Riku would have a nobody, due to the fact that Riku has a strong heart (because he was supposed to be the keyblade master and all) and that means that he would have had to run into his nobody over all that time that he spent with DiZ and people in the world that never was...... or I could be completely wrong ;) A bit of thinking out loud never hurt though :D

Rahxas did I ever tell you how much I like your signature. :) mainly the part of your sig. just under the foriegn writing.

Kiari-Lover, are you trying to get yourself banned? Do you know if a s-mod came by and sees you posting like this, he will do so? And did you ignore my PM yesterday?

what is she doing wrong??????????

Well, at least I wasn't ignored.

Mr.N, you're problem is that you aren't thinking in logical order. Think about this for a second.

Ansem wrote Ansem report 0, which comes before 1 which Xeahnort wrote. Ansem then mentions in his secret Ansem reports he saw the Ansem reports, giving details on the heartless. Then, in his secret Ansem report AFTER that one, he mentions the nobodies, and in the breif flash during the video, they are mentioned at being the third enemy.

Logically, if there are two enemies that we know of, but one is listed as being the third, then we can assume that the third enemy to us would be the first or second enemy recoreded by Ansem. More then likley, the first.
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I didn't ask what would happen if Riku started talking about Castle Oblivion.
Also,
WEWT! Sanaxis is back!

Your more into the works with Math so you lost me there a bit but I got what you meant.To put my sense into what Sany was talking about I think Riku didn;t lose his memories since he only revisted them and saw the darkness of them and if he did lose them he would have forgotten about Sora and Kairi.

oh sorry wally my computer messed up and it said you did my bad and sry rahxas tht was you lol
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we may be thinking this over people i mean i know that kingdom hearts is complicated but i dont think its that complicated..., true though i have been wrong before
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wally,if that is indeed true then what could the next enmy be? i mean we know that when someone becomes a heartless theyre heart, body, and soul are seperated the heart becomes a heartless, the body becomes a nobody so maybe the soul becomes somthing? (i give credit to someone who said this before)a chaser perhaps?
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i think ur right mr.n wait why didnt he loose his memories then(if he didnt)?

Well, maybe thats it? Not the soul, the soul is the life force of the body, without it, it is just a corpse. Maybe what the new enemy will be is Memory based? That could factor in the memories of Xeanhort.

Like, when a person forgets who they are, a Forgetfull is born. This is the incarnation of their lost memories.

If this is the case, someone like Namine, who can manipulate memories, might come into play.

Riku never lost his memories.
I think that Sora, Donald, Goofy, and Jiminy were the only ones to lose there memories because they went from florr one of Castle Oblivion to the top floor opposed to Riku and Mickey who went from the basement floor to the first floor.

And Sany I think you should start capitalizing your sentences since then it won't make you look unintellagent......Plez don't take this the wrong way I'm just saying it would help everyone else read your post more clearly since they know when the sentence ends and begins with the capitilizations and periods.
Typos....I know.

BAH! Sanaxis is SO filled with rage that she is preparing her ultima weapon to destroy us all!

Way to go Mr.N :P

I wonder though. Would being possesed by Xeanhorts heartless be enough to merit a special kind of nobody? Maybe THAT is the memory of Xeanhort after all?

I know thats what I meant by typos, it was aimed at myself.
Well we know that 3 things must make up a person.
A heart, a body, and a soul.
Heart=Heartless
Body=Nobody
Soul=???

I know this has been said I just wanted to say it again.

Something more basic eh? Well.......
.......
........

I dunno, actually. Maybe, juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust maybe when extraordinary circumstances play into a persons life, they are left with a parallel of themselves.

However, this parallel, though it might be mistaken for one, is not a mirror image of the person. If the person is good, and they receive a keyblade, that doesn't mean they will have an evil parallel who is exactly oposite them. They COULD be equal and oposite, but they normaly aren't.

It's not more basic, unles you figure that evil clones are basic (Which is what they would be mistaken for)

So the three chasers could be the result of Riku sora and Mickey receiving keyblades, and the shadow could be the result of the many things happening to Xeanhort, or something else ALL together.
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Mr.N I have decided to disclude the soul from seperating and forming a new enemy. My reason for this is that a Nobody is the body AND soul

I might be mistaken but I thought that it dosen't matter if you have a pure light or tainted dark heart cause wouldn't it be like as long as you have a strong heart you would get a keyblade regardless of the person allying themselves to the light or darkness.....just a thought.

Didn't the book Yen Sid have said that the nobodies consisted of a body and a soul?

Uhhhh, Mr.N? That first part of the post was almost COMPLETLEY random.
Now, if what you are getting at for the second part, regarding Yen-Cid, is that when a Nobody dies, maybe THATS when you get a souless as a result of their not being a body, then yeah, maybe that is what a souless is.

That COULD be it. I have suggested this idea before though.

wally, You have a point, it may be a parallel kinda thing. I still believe that we are thinking to much on this, but i cant think of any other enemy in the story...
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I see what you mean mr.n. I think you are right, that if a person has a strong heart they can weild a keyblade.
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I have another thought, a soul, like a ghost perhaps, when it leaves its body it usually tries to find it. Maybe thats what a souless is? Just a thought if it made since let me know...

Well, I think the Forgetful idea is more likley, it seems to play more into the KH theme.

The Chasers though. They leave me mystified. Maybe the soul of Xenmas joined with the memories of Xeanhort, and forged the fourth figure, who created the chasers to destroy the keybladers, and they have the three keyblades as a way to track them, and the graveyard represents the keyblades ability to change it's form, and the crossroads shape of the keyblades may play into how to find them.

A sort of last will of Xenmas.
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I beleive I may have to go back and readjust my Keyblade theory. I do beleive anyone can weild A keyblade, but to weild the THREE keyblades requires something......more......

*sigh* Mr.N, you have made a few mistakes.

1. I was just listing a possible example. I did not mean to discriminate against evil people. Sorry for the misconception.

2. I NEVER said a person who is dark, can't weild a keyblade. You are confusing me with a person who assumes the darkness is evil and the light is good. They are equal and oposite forces, but they are not good or evil.

3. Think about it. Badguys in movies are REALLY motivated and have a strong force of will. It strands to reason they have a strong heart. So, logically, I wouldn't exclude them.
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P.S: Sanaxis, will you marry me?
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase?
lol

Hey, I am keeping the silliness and randomness as like, a side dish to my actual posting.

Now, I wonder:
What if, we have our philosophies backwords? They say the keyblade can bring chaos or order right? Well, if you think about it, chaos is random events happening unexpectedly right? Entropy IS chaos? So I wonder if chaos means the keyblade can defend and create life, and order means it can make the worlds into nothing, therefore having an order of nothing.

Think about it.

I just wanted to say this the darkness is not evil, it is simply the unknown. People fear the unknown, so they shun it and hate it. Those who work with evil feed on peoples fears so they reside in darkness. The dakrness is no different than the light just an opposite, like colours. This isnt directed at you, wally, i just felt that i neede to say it.:)
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I agree with MR.N that was random.:)
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Im sorry, but i have no idea what that meant, Wally.Wait, I think I get it. This may sound stupid, but what is Entropy?

Well of course what Sany is true since Sora, Riku and Mickey said themselves before Sora fought Xemnas for the first time alone before the door opening into the final battle.

Yeah, well, I have long excepted, and may have even to help forge philosphies like that.

I wonder if Kingdom Hearts, is only 1/2 of the forces of this universe? Kingdom Hearts is creation, maybe Oblivion is kingdom hearts' equal and oposite? Maybe that is what the keyblades the chasers are weilding?

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Y'know, I can't remember. I think Entropy is the term used to describe chaos in the universe, but I can't remember.

Also, San.
I never heard a no :)

I think Kingdom Hearts is everything in the universe since when the worlds were all restored in the first Kingdom Hearts they were stored in Kingdom hearts so when the planets die they go to Kingdom Hearts for....storage I guess like the recyling bin on our computer.

May not make much sense.

Yes and no, Mr.N.

I think Kingdom Hearts is 100% darkness and light. Kingdom hearts IS the universe in a sence. Something like that.

What I was pondering, is this:
What if Kingdom Hearts is the creation half of the universe, and Void is the oblivion half, to keep an ultimate balance.

Like, Galactus from Marvel comics.

Actually I meant that it is 100% of the universe along that it is 100% light and dark and I guees I can add that Oblivion might be in Kingdom Hearts sice it's where the planets went after their destrucion.
I hope Riku DBA hurry ups with the chapter cause I'm next.

Well, I am implying that the universe is an extension of Kingdom Hearts. Oblivion is void or something like that.
When I say Kingdom Hearts is 100% light and 100% dark, I mean it is 100% of ALL light and 100% of ALL darkness.

Oblivion is everything Kingdom Hearts is not, which is nothing.
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Well, being the guy that I am, I will settle for a making you blush :)

Now, what I was saying, is that maybe Chaos is actualy life, and Order is oblivion.