Smash Bros Wii

[quote=IGN]Smash Bros. Brawl
Playable Characters unveiled!

May 10, 2006 - Nintendo just pulled a fast one at us. At an after-hours press briefing, the company pulled another ace out of its hat: Smash Bros. Brawl.

We have confirmed the following playable characters:

# Pit (Kid Icarus)
# Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)
# Fusion Suit Samus (Metroid: Zero Mission)
# Meta-Knight (Kirby)

I knew they would put in Meta-Knight, but Solid Snake? Holy crap. DID NOT SEE THAT ONE COMING! Hopefully more news is coming.

WHOA, WTF

EDIT:

Source:
http://uk.revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707504p1.html

Also, HOLY FU[COLOR=WHITE]CKING F[/COLOR]UCKSH[COLOR=WHITE]ITS KID GO[/COLOR]DD[COLOR=WHITE]AMN ICARUS AND SOLID SH[/COLOR]ITTING SNAKE

Sadly, that's all they have at the moment. But MAYBE there is a playable version there? Or it was just information given to them from the Nintendo people there...PLAYABLE VERSION PLZ!

It'll have been in a press briefing that they're in at the moment, and more details will probably come within the hour. But they couldn't have that info and not give it out immediately. I doubt it'll be a launch title, sadly.

Also, it's not the Fusion suit, it's the Zero suit. And it'll just be a costume, I think. Zero Samus doesn't have any extra powers than normal, does she?

AIYAIYAIYIAYA ORGASM!
i was gonna post this.

ORGASM ORGASM! Why solid snake?

If he's not nitnendo, maybe Sonic will be there too!

...joke?

No, it was on IGN. and it's a month past April.
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707504p1.html

[COLOR="Black"]Wtf does Nintendo have to do with Konami?
Are they planing on a Nintendo VS Konami game, like Marvel VS Capcom?[/COLOR]

Haha, they wouldn't joke at a time like this. But I'm still interested in how they got Solid Snake in there. They would of had to ask Konami for permission right? Still, I would like a few more characters.

As for that Samus, perhaps she will have a different move set? Or like the pichu version of Pikkacu(sp)?

Yeah, but Pichu is a totally different Pokémon. Young Link, though.

OH SHI-!!!!

This is the only game I cared about, and I'm not disappointed by the little bity of info they've given. I like the name and I love the new characters. People were dying for an update to Pit and it looks like the got him, perfect addition to the cast.

Oh, and I lol'd at Solid Snake. That's ****ing unbelievable AND awesome. Brilliant.

I wonder if he'll be a fast or slow character.

Well, yeah. But he's pretty buff. I'd say slightly slower than Link.

Oh god. Down+B had better be 'hide in a box'.

Or he'd turn invisible. :)

Actually, what's most likely is that a box to use as a temporary shield/health regenerator will be a new item.

Hmm.. Solid Snake... and Megaman Network verion is exclusive Nintendo series... perhaps a game featuring wide exclusive characters from other franchises. This is good yes.

Har. It'd be like them to do this. But meh.

The article's been updated to include Wario as playable, as well as a Nintendogs weapon where a puppy runs up to the screen and blocks your view.

wow snake in ssb... its just funny to think about hows he gonna fit in.

where the hell are Master Chief, Sora, and NiGHTS?

Master Chief? Wtf? At least Snake's been on Nintendo before.

And I know he never turns invisible in the box, but it's the only way it would really work in multiplayer.

Great. Now I actually have to play Metal Gear Solid, for once. I've been meaning to for ages. *orgasms anyway*

I'm glad we're seeing more Kirby characters, considering the series's colorful cast, but disappointed that it's just Metaknight. Hopefully, there will be more among the secret characters; indeed, keep in mind that there are probably a truckload more awesome new characters they're keeping under their hats until we hunt 'em down ourselves.

Er, Pit, not to mention Metal Gear on NES and GameBoy.

Does this mean that we can confirm Metal Gear on the Virtual Console, seeing as Konami has given them support for this?

Saw the pics. I believe it now. Really hoping for a Halberd stage for MetaKnight.

Article updated again. Brawl will be fully online, and will use GameCube controls, meaning that people who kicked *** at Melee will still kick *** at Brawl - although apparently if you want to use a movement-based control system, you can.

Release in 2007, though, not at launch.


Zeta: Pics?


EDIT:
"Sakurai confirmed that Wario actually has a fart attack and that Solid Snake can use his trusty cardboard box."

YES.

Apparently Kojima begged that Snake could be in Melee...?

That's a real shame that it won't be a launch title. :(

Fear not, it should be a game that's released in February or something....never again do I want to go through a dry spell like we did with the 360. Now that was HORRIBLE.


EDIT: Screens look awesome!

Haha, awesome. Pit looks badass.

Way to not show the pic w/ Halberd, Pit.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/10/super-smash-bros-brawl-revealed-for-wii-featuring-solid-snake/
OH MY ***

Lol, Samus ass shot.

[quote]When asked about the possibility of Sonic the Hedgehod appearing in the game as well, Shigeru Miyamoto said: "There are probably possibilities for other third parties as well, and it maybe that even know there are corporate discussions going on about including some of these other characters."


Hah, the reporter was so excited he was making typos all over the place.

Samus has a hawt a[COLOR="White"]ss[/COLOR] =P

oh my ***, i will have sex wiht samus so badly. My ***, this is amazing.

by the way, why is there a nintendog?[IMG]http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/05/DSC_3368.jpg[/IMG]

More and better ppictures:

http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/748/748545/imgs_1.html

Just gotta end it with the obligatory *** shot, huh?

So like, everytime you die as snake you hear otacon go

"SNAKE, SNAKE... SNAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

The Nintendog is a weapon. You use it to **** overyone off, although it'd **** you off also.

Ooh, is that completely suitless Samus? As in, with blaster pistol?

I have a problem. I am ejaculation, and I can't stop.

OH MY *** YES!

Now all they need is a completely nekked samus... yup.

[IMG]http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revolution/image/article/707/707560/super-smash-bros-brawl-20060510074457967.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revolution/image/article/707/707560/super-smash-bros-brawl-20060510074505264.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revolution/image/article/707/707560/super-smash-bros-brawl-20060510074508936.jpg[/IMG]

New super attacks?

broken images kthxbi


Although you're right. Super Smashes?

[IMG]super-smash-bros-brawl-20060510074506233.jpg[/IMG]
<spooges all over>

http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/748/748545/img_3595424.html

Oh, if you go into the properties of the broken images and go to the link directly you can see them. IGN just doesn't allow remote hotlinking.

also pit lol wtf

I actually don't know if I really agree with suitless Samus in this game. I conformed to her appearance as it was revealed back in Super Metroid... the newer face just looks like a porn star's, and she's not nearly as buff. It's like they cast some hooker in her place.

As long as I can still go Gravity Suit on the classic armor, I won't complain. Just giving my two cents.

http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/748/748545/img_3595433.html
omg her SUIT IS BEING BLOWN OFF!

Oh shi- I never even realised that. Interesting.

...possibly the more damage she takes, the more of her armour falls off? Or it's an FMV of how she got like that. I think that's how it happens in ZM...

What on earth has Link got on his left arm in that one?! Is it something from Twilight Princess? Could he have some sort of 'change into a wolf' move?

OMG! I AM FREAKING OUT! THIS IS SO COMPLETELY AWESOME! HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO SLEEP NOW?!

I have a suspicion that there will be "Ultra" Moves in this game.

Not just the super blast Samus does but this caught my eye.

http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/748/748545/img_3595429.html

If you played Kirby Super Star ( wich they seem to be nodding at a lot on this game) you would know Kirby Cook ability was very powerful.

Plus Kirby has a Red Arua around him. Me thinks that there will be powerful moves in this game.

[url=http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/748/748545/vids_1.html]Video.[/url]

:)

MAIAN YOU'RE MY HERO

I like how in the trailer Mario and Link changed a whole lot, and Kirby and Pikachu stayed the same.

Either way, ****ing aweomse :D

Pikachu changed. Kirby was just like 'lol wtf'.

Also, Link looks a whole lot girlier now.

EDIT: Oh blah. The video keeps freezing at Mario's super blast attack thing.

That Video was awesome and pretty humorous. I found it funny how when they were turning into the Wii versions of themselves, Kirby looked exactly the same, lol. From this video it looks like SSBB might be more cinematic than SSBM. I am hoping they have the characters from Nintendo's new IP's. Also, if they don't have captain olimar, I'll be very surprised.

I haven't been able to watch with sound yet, since my mom thinks I'm doing homework. :X

Either way, very impressive. I'm gonna look at that castle level again, probably another awesome Hyrule level. From the looks of things, the little SSB orbs provide you with the mega attacks. Link's is amazing, and Zero Samus has a beam sword.

I can't wait. Best E3 news. By far.

Oh my goodness, this is just amazing... I cannot wait to get my hands on that and just play hours on end.

And maybe Big Boss will like the game now that it has Snake on it. :cool:

Nintendo, will you be the mother of my child?

On a seperate note...

****it, Konami/Nintendo. Give us Simon Belmont, not that poser Snake. How are you going to get the full Captain N lineup together this way?

Here's hoping for more music like that from the trailer.

Ooh wow. Belmont and his whip and Samus in that catsuit.

Nintendo would be getting rather mature.

Linko: I had the same problem. I just went to GameSpot. :)

They need Simon Belmont and Kevin Keene, I tells ya!

Smash Bros. Dojo: http://www.smashbros.com/

Basically an SSBB dev blog. Cue speculation about who the silhouettes are.


Vampiro:
[quote]...And as a special service to readers of this site, I can say that the game's music will be performed by a full orchestra.

It will be a deluxe chorus complete with lyrics in Latin.
The music is also available for download. :)

I said earlier that the Super Paper Mario game would own my soul.... nah, **** that. This game is going to eat SPM, **** it out, bury it, **** on it, squeeze out my soul, absorb it, and continue on to dominate all life.
The video made me want to squeal, and I think I just unleashed in my pants.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I need to go change myself.

Already said all of that post, thanks.

Which should never, ever be done if you're going to reply to a thread. Ever.

Heh.

I got goosebumbs while watching it :(

*** ****, fukken badas. And I'm glad they said they are going to stick with the gamecube controller style of play. Although some more details with the online play would be nice, I'm sure they are still just working out the kinks.

Oh, and on another note, did anyone notice in the link that Wings provided that Nobuo Uematsu(Final Fantasy) is going to compose the music for this addition? :D

He composed the theme. That doesn't mean he'll do the rest of the game. I thought the original theme that played during the Japanese commercial for Melee was better, all in all. The operatic lyrics in Uemetsu's song aren't particularly pleasing to my ears. The music's nice, though.

I know. Classical score with Latin lytrics throughout? Awesome. Games as art, my friends. Games as art.

I've already got my mother listing to the SSBM soundtrack. I'm fairly sure that with the Wii I can get my whole family into games.

And it's hardly been started in development, Ant. They're still hiring, ffs. I'm sure they've got level design/items/story(heh) etc worked out, they just need it all to get designed and thrown together before the end of next year.

OMG, OMG, OMG, Hawt!!!

Nothing else needs to be said. :D

Actually, there are no words for it. :(

Out of the total restlessness that this game has given me, I constructed a wallpaper for it.

[url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/Linko_16/SSBBWallpaper.jpg]y helo thar[/url]

I know that some of you photoshoppers could do better, and I highly encourage you to do so.

Works for me.

Hmm... yes indeed.

Boy that video knocked me away. Snake all hiding in a box, then "Showtime!". that kicked so much arse.

I wonder if there are going to be any special objective missions. Like all 4 players trying to take out some major object or situational things going on during the fights. That would be neato.

Heh, I figured I would post this for anyone interested. The opening music. :D (Just right-click and save)

http://www.smashbros.com/jp/music/mp3/main_theme.mp3

Lol, this thread's just going round in circles now.

HOLY @#$%.

GUYS, DID YOU KNOW SNAKE'S GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT SUPER SMASH BROTHERS??

EDIT - By the way, I made this [url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/Linko_16/SSBBWallpaper.jpg]wallpaper[/url].

NO WII!!!1!1

I know I'm just yet another person that's saying basically the same thing as everyone else, but now that this game has been confirmed, there is no way in hell I'm NOT getting a Wii. I can't ****ing wait. Besides, Vamp and I really need to duke it out sometime ;)

Oh, and regarding Vamp's sig: "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Vampiro again."

As if I needed another reason to by SSBB. I absolutely loved the first.

Snake's in it now. He's getting all the credit as a legend that he deserves. And Pit, too. This is all so amazing.

I love it.

That's all I can say right now, as I'm knee-deep in love-juice after watching that trailer for the eighth time.

:)

And Wario. Oh, man, he's been due.

I'm glad Wario's in his WarioWare gear. If he'd retained his old plumber outfit, no doubt Game Freak would be tempted to churn out another Mario clone.

:cool:

Oh, absolutely. WarioWare Wario kicks Mario series Wario right out of the park.

In terms of personality and everything else.

Is Wario's biker gear now his definitive look? We're never going to see his old outfit again?

... Right?

:o

Well, I don't think that's true. He was in his old gear for 64 DS, for example. And The new Wario World will probably have him in it.

So, the other secret characters?

My money's on Belmont.

I predict a poltergeist 3000 weapon.

Needs MegamanZero.

New Raiden pls.

Also, Sonic, WW Link, Deoxys and Jeff (Earthbound).

FF Chars! :D

FF Cars, I say. :cool2:


All... of them. -_-'

ZOMBIE. =O

Sonic and Tails please.

Nekkid Samus is my favorite so far for the obvious reasons. Can't wait to see who's next!

Here's hoping it's MegaMan, Simon Belmont, and Kevin Keene to round out the Captain N lineup, along with Sonic and NiGHTS for some newcomers.

Since they put Snake in the game he's obviously not gonna be the only non-Nintendo character, which brings endless oportunities for new characters. I'd like to Sonic and Knuckles, but thats up to Sega.

Question: What the hell would Suitless Samus do? All she has is that piddly little Stun Gun.

Spandex Samus has a lightsaber. Didn't you watch the trailer?

[quote=Zeta]
Question: What the hell would Suitless Samus do? All she has is that piddly little Stun Gun.
Sword-whip-thing

No, wait! I just watched the trailer again, myself! It's a frickin' whip! It's a frickin' plasma whip! She just gained another 50 billion points on the hotness scale!

oh baby thats hot.

guys, you know snake is in it?

I thought it was a sword, oh well.

Why would anyone want to use Suitless Samus? Everyone knows she would get owned against the original... in Zero Mission, she wasn't even capable of dealing damage.

I don't know. Perhaps because we're male...and straight.

For shame. Metroid fans should be above oogling Samus' bosom and hindquarters.

AND HEY GUYZ! WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOU PLAY AS SOLID SNAKE ON THE HALBERD/GREAT FOX STAGE? SNAKE'S ON A PLANE! LOLOLOLOL!

This of course means that Big Boss and Prince Shrondronai will HAVE to have some kind of final showdown as Snake and Link.

Wait, someone explain why the Nintendog is in there. It couldn't possibly be a playable character. I like how when it puts its paws on the screen it does the touch-screen effect.

I keep imagining Fox saying a bunch of Ninja/Gray Fox's lines from Metal Gear Solid now. >_<

@Dex: Nintendog is an item. Blocks screen. Already been asked at least 3 times in this thread.

Speaking of Fox, I hope Krystal makes it into this game. Now she'll have some interesting moves.

all i got to say this one is going to be F***ING AWESOME, i cant wait for it, lol i can see snake just like beating the s*** out of yoshi its going to be the best one so far

I'm curious as to how Snake will work. Being the most realistic character in the game, I just can't imagine him double jumping, and other stuff like that.

As opposed to double-jumps, he'll have a Super Hide move, activated by smash-attacking with the Cower-In-The-Shadows Button.

Ive been looking at the movie for some time now and saw the castle.

I can tell you know that isnt and Zelda Castle. Most likely a Fire Emblem castle. Makes sence because Roy and Marth were popular characters in SSBM. Also theres a VERY brief clip if Link slashing Mario in a castle that looks Fire Emblum-ish. So I bet its safe to say that theres Fire Eblum stages and characters.


As for Third Party Characters.

Right about now it seems that no bad can come out of this. Konami is probably getting hugged by there fans for putting snake in, Nintendo looks better, And everyone is super happy.

Its like a Fountain of instant good PR. We already know the games gonna Kick @ss because of the controll options. Butiful Graphics, good gameplay, and a game everyone wants.

Not only is it smart for Third Pary's to add their characters it would be down right STUPID if they didnt take the opperunity like this.

Doesn't this mean that Konami gets some of the profit from the game's sales? So too many 3rd party characters from different companies=less profit for Nintendo?

Grr, I've seen the trailer for so many times now and I still haven't tierd on it.
But it makes one want the game so bad.:(

Mm, samus. She is such a badass. Looks badass.

Miyamoto I think said there could be some other third-party characters. Hmm...

Oh, and that scene in the trailer near the beginning where they are fihgintg on a castle wiht bullets raining down on them is AMAZING.

I'd rather see MMZ Zero, really, but I guess Smash already has enough swordsmen.

And hey, if they're accepting third party characters, we might see Geno. Eh?

Well, I'm sure Nintendo knows by now that most people dislike clones. I'm sure Roy, Y.Link, Falco, Ganondorf, Pichu, and Dr. Mario will undergo "Luigification".

I'm hoping that Y.Link gets a cel shaded style like windwaker.

I'm not seeing any Ice Climbers. =(

The video's purpose was just to show some new characters (Plus some items and stages). Mario, Link, Pikachu and Kirby were in it because they were also shown fighting in Melee's opening.

They have to be seperate characters. We need moar Metroid. Pretty much every important character in the series is too big, and I don't think they'll add any of the Hunters.

Who cares what they're called. I just hope they're not in the game. Ice climbers suck and so did their map.

Yeah, I <3 Ice Climbers.

I don't think Zero Suit Samus is just someone who pops out after a special attack. That'd be really irritating if you'd rather hang onto full-suit Samus. I'm sure she's another choice, like Mario/Dr. Mario or Link/Young Link.

I dunno. Doctors?
*Shrug*

EDIT: OOH! You know what would be a cool stage. The worlds from each franchise merging, having elements from every franchise.

Ice CLimbers wavedash is ***. Those who say they suck obviously don't know how to play the game with wavedashing and all the other crpa me and bulb do.

Maybe a Mario Galaxy level where you jump from planet to planet.

I don't know, I think zero samus is a seperate character. Or maybe you are right, once you do the super smash attack or whatever, she transforms, like Zelda-sheik.

Transforming Samus would be lame, as I would have to give up my precious, precious Bombs... Assuming Down+B is transform.

No, they are saying doing teh super smash attack (or whatever all those huge attacks were) would transform her. Whatever, as long as I see her breasts... I mean, uh. Her lightsaber/whip.

Still wouldn't like that.

I say Power Suit Samus' uber-move should be to Screw Attack the entire place at an insane speed.

Yeah, same here. Zero Samus seems like she'd be too different from Power suit Samus, what wiht the breasts and the beamsword.

I wonder how Sold Snake will work. I'm guessing he'll have a pistol or something, and use kung-fu and ****. Like one of his grabs could be a neck-snap type thing, the other could be a grab-arm and pull forward type thing.

[quote]I'm actually hoping some clone characters don't make it to this game. I mean, was anyone all that excited about Dr. Mario?
QFT

Seriously. What was the point of young link and Dr.Mario? Ok there "Neat" but not cool. In serious SSB characters like that are a joke.

But oddly enough Falco, A clone of fox, was more popular then Fox Himself.

He can CQC everyone. It would be the greatest thing.

The one year I overlook E3 and I miss out on this...

Anyway, looks absolutely orgasmic. And given the low release price and stuff, I may actually be able to get it!

*waits*

The only good think about Young Link in Melee was that he could wall-jump, and it wasn't even used in fights.

As far as I remember it was only Mario and Young Link that could do it. I might be mistaken, though.

If they made an area that you could only get to through walljumping, you'd better be able to get to it some other way. Just slower.

Ah, really? Still, that's only three out of the whole roster.

EDIT: Four. A quick google tells me that so can Pichu.

They all coud wall-jump.
Or that's what I remember.

Link needed it for the target thingie, but all of them were able to.

Don't think I missed anyone already posting this, but Sakurai is taking suggestions for characters from the fans:

http://wii.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=6819

I posted this on the Smash Brothers board already. My list is as follows:

Captain N
Simon Belmont
Sonic the Hedgehog
NiGHTS
MegaMan
Leon S. Kennedy
Captain Harlock (He's had a video game or 3, I'm sure)
Adol Christin

You can see his responses, too. Goota love babelfish's translations.

"Expecting to the cardboard of the snake, it increases."

Hmm. I thought more power would up living with brilliant sword moving in the Zelda.

I checked those. My brain hurt from trying to interpret them.

I suggested Little Mac from Punch-Out! Pink jumpsuit alternative costume, anyone?

:cool:

Ah, mario could do it. That's why I thought everyone could; I only use mario :p

What is wrong with some people? Someone said "I think samus looks stupid." I mean, how does zero-suit samus look stupid? She looks badass.

If Snake is in it then there's no bloody reason Isaac shouldn't be. I'd be insanely pissed if he isn't, Roy didn't even have his own game for ***'s sake!

Super move: Ragnarok (massive glowing red sword flies down from the sky, impales enemy and explodes)

Oh, in his description it always said his game wasn't out yet. I kind of assumed it was never release, as I never heard anything about it.

I just want one of the greatest video game heroes of the 80's to finally actually be in a video game: Captain N. His voice actor's still doing cartoons and anime, and he still sounds like that.

Actually, it is true that Roy's game didn't come out until after SSBM.

I just read all 11 pages...

Well, I think Omni-slash super move for Link renewed my interest in Link himself. *** that move is sick. Im hoping they add MMZ Zero aswell, and BN megaman. That'd be nice, plus it would be a worthy clash.

Speedfreak : I'd LOVE to see Golden sun characters, or at least Isaac. Maybe one of the items could be Djinn, and once you gather a certain amount, you can choose to summon something. Im sure if they did (with the high chances they won't) they could implement it in some way that pleases me...

Note to self: Stay away from Pit and DarkBulb.

Pit ftw.

Young Link owned. Everything. I've never wavedashed, but then again, I've never looked up how to do it. And, YL's downstab move is an amazing move. It sucks if you miss, but that's why I L-cancel. :)

Anyhow, I suck now. Needless to say, I stopped playing for a LONG time, played normal fighting games, and alas, I get owned pretty much all the time now. When this comes out, I WILL be bloody amazing at it, and completely beat a lot of people, then the process will repeat all over again.

I do know what wavedashing and L/Z-canceling is. And I will practice it up and kick your ***. THen take your name. Yes.

Who does Jesus use?

Cyphus will own us all. This much is certain.

I'll take you all on as a team. You will know pain, and then you will know nothing more.

****IT WE SAY 'WIIABOO' NOW!

Did somebody say...

Oh.

Is there any specifics on how the game is going to be controlled?

Cube controls.

I'll be Daisy (if she's not just some lame skin change) or suitless Samus. I'll be amazing.

I can be Snake when Big Boss isn't playing. Speedy said that Prince, Big Boss, him, and myself should all have a brawl. Speedy is hoping to be Isaac and I want to be Daisy.

She's probably just easily confused.

"Hah, killed you! Wait, no, wtf?!"

Oh wow. Imagine Snake's alternate costumes.



Also, it sounded like she'd heard that the character would still be present but wasn't sure if it was a costume change or not.

Yes, I'd only pick Daisy as "my character" if she was more than just a costume.

As for Snake, different camos? Classic Snake? Pliskin Snake? Scientist Snake?

All the characters need 8-Bit costumes.

What do you guys think about downloadable content?

...whoa. Never even thought about that. New characters, trophies, levels, items. That's kickass.

Although not too much, I hope. There's only 512mb of space in there.

Isn't there USB? If so, I can just use an external harddrive.

Oh, and you expand the space given. You just need to buy the cards...

Yeah, if USB hard drives are supported. It's not like you could do it with PS2, or anything. I know it's a weird example, but you see my point.

No matter what I'm paying for some games, I want to keep my saves.

Heh, I wanna learn how to play with Meta Knight and Pit. Meta Knight is just so cool in general, and I love how Kirby plays. Having a cooler looking, flying Kirby with a sword just appeals to me.

And maybe it's just because I think Pit looks cool is why I'm gonna use him. His weapons look interesting, nonetheless.

But if Young Link makes a return, and he better, I'll be using him.

Does anyone know if there are any lyrics for the 'Main Theme'? :)

The lyrics are in latin I believe...

He made a joke. Those are the lyrics to "One Winged Angel" from FFVII. :|

It's.... isn't it from FFVII?

It's... I don't think that's the SSBB one.

Right, what Fate said.

Oh right, I see. Can anyone make out the lyrics, though?

In 'One Winged Angel'?
Oh yhas.

lol gtfo

This needs a Paper Mario stage or I will have to harm someone.

It could be the new 2D stage, since the G&W level sucked, I thought. Making all of the characters look like they were Paper Mario characters kind of like how all the characters were "flat" on the G&W stage would be amazing.

On another note, I do enjoy One-Winged Angel a lot, lyrics and all. The lyrics in this new Smash theme seem like they're in there just for the purpose of having lyrics for every beat of music. I feel very little actual emotion in them. In my opinion, they clutter the piece needlessly.

I sometimes wonder about the thought of making Smash Brothers an online game. People are going to be really competitive, capitalize on specific characters with cheap, anything-goes stratagies for winning, argue about whether or not ledge-baiting is fair (the snaking debate in Mario Kart all over again), et cetera. I think that I may enjoy online play for a while, but inevitably just go back to playing with my brother and friends. The internet can be a horrible place to play videogames sometimes.

Then don't play online.

Also, that Paper Mario stage is a really good idea.

Yeah. I for one would get VERY annoyed with SSBB if all that everyone did online was wavedash, l-cancel, all those advanced techniques all the time. I have sub-10-year-old nephews who play this game, you know? They're gonna get annoyed very quickly.

Part of the drawbacks of online play. There are *******s in Halo 2 all the time that ruin a perfectly good match. I hope I don't get marked for bad language for saying profanities too many times during a match. :(

I tried explaining to Pit that most people don't find that kind of competitiveness fun, but he wasn't having any of it.

Coarse: if you don't do all those advanced techniques that tourney players use you're gonna get your ass kicked old school.

It's strange, but ever since I played the 360 I've suddenly become competitive. It's scary.

And just find ways around it, guys. Seriously. There are things you could do to stop it.

Matches based on skill level are the only way I see it working. But it has to be good - I still run into snakers on Mario Kart in Rivals. Sure, they suck at it, but still.

I figure if that's how they play, I'll play. If nobody is a dick, I have no reason to be.

Why be a dick if others are? I don't believe I've ever played an online game to "KICK A[COLOR="White"]SS[/COLOR]!". Sure my record will probably suffer, but it's not fun.

It's a lot more fun to battle against a snaker and lose legitimately than it is for them to boost ahead, steal all four item boxes, then hang around the goal line like a jerk.

[quote=Vampiro]Though, fighting atop Rex and seeing Liquid in the background is ever better.
More like playing as Liquid and seeing Chaioth Ha Qadesh in the background.

Yeah, I wish. :(

[quote=Fate]I'm not saying I'm going to mod my Xbox or anything like that.
No XBL for modders anyway :(.

Oh, yeah, of course. That's why you boot them. There's a time and a place for dickery.

If there gonna put this game on the internet they need to do some things first.

One, they need to balance out characters. In Melee alot of people just played Falco till they were blue. If they dont balance characters online is gooding to be a boring myriad of the same 4 characters in each game. They need better balance.

2. They need to seperate the newbs from the pros. Honestly I dont want to fight 10 year old or people are far better then me. They need some sort of system for seperating the men from the boys.

I agree with a lot of statements said, when I don't wanna play with completely skill-driven pros who devote their lives to SSBB. Although I'm good, I actually find it more fun to play crazy matches with friends that involve lots of items and such. Although you're not completing solely to win, and there's not as much skill involved, it's sure as heck a lot more fun.

[quote]Good luck. Nearly every fighter has tiers. SSBB won't be an exception. You just have to trust the people WILL use different characters. Heck, even though Mewtwo is bottom tier, I still bust him out from time to time.


True, we will just have to hope that people will have minds of there own and play who they like rather then whats popular.

I expect Ryu Hayabusa in this game.

[COLOR=darkgreen]Pure Link Pwn![/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]I smell a snake counterpart >.>[/COLOR]

Did I make a typo? My posts have all been meant to imply the very real truth that everyone who challenges me at this game will lose in a painful and humiliating way, after which I will taunt them mercilessly for being a bunch of posers who think just because they've stood up to tournament-level players that they had a chance against the likes of me.

Pit: Shh. If he says he's good, he's good. Trust me.

Also, three level 9s? Wtf. Even I can beat three level 9s.

He said "don't." As in, it's not an accomplishment.

Thank ***. I thought it was a statement like "don't tell me you've flown to Australia and back in one day! That's amazing!"

Man, I guess I'm the only one in the world who doesn't have fun when losing. If I'm lousy at a game I otherwise really enjoy (i.e. Smash), I make sure to get better. I've been known to rock the hizzouse locally, but I've never had a need to get good at wavedashing, seeing as nobody here does it. I guess it's about that time.

Beh, I'm not going to bother until I get Brawl, just in case the method of WaveDashing is somehow different in it.

[quote=Prince Shondronai]Did I make a typo? My posts have all been meant to imply the very real truth that everyone who challenges me at this game will lose in a painful and humiliating way, after which I will taunt them mercilessly for being a bunch of posers who think just because they've stood up to tournament-level players that they had a chance against the likes of me.

[COLOR=black]You guys are funny.. you forget that pros stay pro.[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=#000000]If you think you can take me in ssbm then ill show you the gap between morons and good players, then tell you that there are *** states above my level for top in country. Dont think that just winning a local tourny in your state means anything. The game didnt come out yet yet you claim ***ness...[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000]Unless your refering to your skill in the ssbm game now, in that case. Get Your Mid State *** to the east and fight some real guys... No offense, but the mid stats dont have any1 to play really... In smash east vs west vs mid, east won. hands down.. we 5 stocked(out of 40) west and I forget how pathetic the mids did..[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000]Like of you...? MAke it worth my time And Ill show you the gap between local good and real skill. Taunt them mercilessly? what nub uses taunts rather than shffl's? you sound nub...[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=#000000]Come to FC6 if your bite is as strong as you say. Ill MM anything you want from me. Dont talk about pwning unless your talking to me, cyphus or dark bulb.. [/COLOR]
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[COLOR=#000000]Speaking of which.. were are those 2..?[/COLOR]

Why don't you guys wait until the game comes out to start challenging each other? There's really no point in running your mouth now.

I love the people in the SSB board. Namely, Cyphus and Darkblade. All they ever do is come to this site and talk paragraphs at a time about Smash. Honestly, is it that serious?

How about waiting to challenge someone, before writing up a four paragraph thesis on how he must suck because he lives in the west. It's pathetic. Honestly.

Yeah, you make it sound like a gang war. [spoiler]coarse representin' the big W I fo lyfe[/spoiler]

Question: Who the hell is Cyphus? I don't think I've ever seen someone with that username make a post.

Snake confirmed to get his own stages: http://wii.qj.net/Sakurai-Talks-Snake-in-SSBB-MGS4-and-Game-Philosophy/pg/49/aid/39048

ah, snake levels.
omg, you allz suckz, i bet you cant even do teh smash attack, i will ****ing murde rall of you in ssbb lol.

I really want to practice it up, though. So I can win on WiFi.

Oh, and it is scientificlcalaly proven that west coast is better at ssb, guyz.


P.S., that ps3 tilting gif is hilarious.

It doesn't really matter. There will be only one name atop the Nintendo World Rankings for Smash Brothers Brawl, and that name will be mine.

I would laugh so much if they got rid of Wavedashing entirely.

and I can't believe people actually thought they would use the Wii-mote alone to play the game. I told them otherwise, *****es.

ANYWAYS, anyone ever heard of Dream Mix TV: World Fighters? It was a very Smash Bros.-like game that had snake in it. He even had his own level:
[IMG]http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/508/solidsnakestage4gl.jpg[/IMG]

Weren't Bomberman & Optimus Prime in that?

Yes, they were. So was Simon Belmont, that dude from adventure island, and that kid from the anime with the spinning tops.

Why have I never heard about this Dreammix TV Game...?

Konami characters:

Power Pro-Kun
Simon Belmont
Twinbee
Solid Snake
Moai

Takara characters:

Licca-Chan
Tyson Granger
Optimus Prime
Microman
Asuka
Megatron

Hudson characters:

Bomberman
Momotarou
Master Higgins
Hugo
Manjimaru
Bimbougami

Gonna have to import.

Oh man, I'd love to see Optimus Prime in SSBB. Not gonna happen, but wow, how awesome?!

I love how everyone who's moderately good at the game thinks they're OMGZORZ BESTEST EVAR.

They'd have to seriously downsize Prime to get him into Smash Bros. XD I think the dudes even bigger than Giga Bowser.

Prime's size has changed over the years. But yeah, he's about as big as a truck... which happens to be a lot bigger thana Kirby or even a Link.

[quote]Seeing as how you can use the GC pad and the creators don't even want to touch the old characters, chances are it'll play very, very similar.
While it will be similar there will be changes. We already know there will be super moves so that changes things already. What if some characters that had weak moves but now get powerful super attacks?

Just because two games are alike doesnt mean their the same. Its like comparing SuperMario Brothers 3 and SuperMario World. They play the same neerly the same but have different factors.

[quote]I love how everyone who's moderately good at the game thinks they're OMGZORZ BESTEST EVAR.
You nailed it on the head. Everyone is talking smack talk before they even play. I'm going to laugh so hard when these smack talkers get pwnt so hard by people who know what their doing.

[quote]It's an item. A lot of serious players don't even use items. As long as the main attacks and physics remain the same people will be able to play the same.
It's an Item? Were did you read that?

Still, we dont even know that much. We cant assume anything.

In the trailer, Mario grabs something to use his massive fireball omgsplosion.

And Link has got the kewlest spin-attack. Evar.

But do we know it can be turned off? Do when know it act's like a noraml item? Does it apper after some one does a crazy combo?

The movie answered non of this. It just poped up. Out of thin air.

Infact the only part were we did see that glowy ball (wich was 3 seconds long at best.) didnt even look like real game play.

Once again you assume to much people.

I think there's definitely going to be some some little changes. If you watch the video, Link's downair goes straight through Mario, instead of bouncing. Who knows what other changes they'll put in? A lot of stuff changed from SSB64 to SSBM.

I thought he missed.

*watches video again*

[quote]Yeah, they're going to throw in an item that has the ability to completely **** up a match that you're not able to switch off. Come on. It's item.

Right now it looks like one. But Im saying the mechanics could be different. I dont think items or skills that powerful will work the same way as normal items. How Lop-Sided would it be if a Paper fan dropped and the a WTFPWN move orb dropped? Not a good idea.

[quote]It was just there. Mario grabbed it. It looks like an item.

Yeah it looked like one.

But if I discribe a Plane as a Trasporter of people that is fueled by gas to get people from point A to B to people that have never seen a plane before but know about cars they could easily just say Im describing a car.

Same idea, different execution.

[quote]That's ALL we can do. If we can't assume or speculate, we might as well not even talk about this game.


I never said Assuming was bad. I said assuming too MUCH was bad. If we assume too much we think its true and if it turns out that its not we could get burned badly.

I'm watching Sony's Conference now, it's the first one I'm watching and it sucks so far. Horrible I'll edit as I watch Nintendo's and Micrsoft's Conference.

[quote=Vampiro]It wasn't. It was an FMV. The whole thing was a mix between in-game and FMV.
Looked to me like it was entirely in-engine.

[quote=TendoAddict]
But if I discribe a Plane as a Trasporter of people that is fueled by gas to get people from point A to B to people that have never seen a plane before but know about cars they could easily just say Im describing a car.
I can describe an apocalypse as a thing. Upon asking someone to "pass the thing" at a dinner table whilst reaching out for a cheese platter, people who have knowledge of the apocalypse yet none of Wensleydale dairy products could easily say I'm asking for the Book of Revelation.

In-engine and in-game are different.

I know. Vamp said it was a mix of in-game and FMV. I didn't see any game footage nor any FMV.

I bought a Playstation solely for Metal Gear Solid, and a GameCube primarily for SSB:M. Now that I can get both in one, I am all over Wii. I might actually pre-order for the first time ever. [/nerd]

[quote]They aren't going to make it an actual attack, nor an item you can't turn off. It would most likely **** off tons of people.

Look man, you and I know the same amount of info. Its different points a view. Im trying to defeand mine while keeping open to others.



[quote]I'll assume as much as I ****ing want, thx.


I see.

So you can assume from what you saw all that you want.

But when I see something different and ASSUME some thing different Im a asshat?

How the Hell does that work?


[quote]Don't argue with me again please. As you actually make me feel like an idiot by reading your posts.

You know man, I thought you were more mature then this. I thought you could respect mutliple ideas on the same piece of information.


I guess I was wrong.

[quote]I can describe an apocalypse as a thing. Upon asking someone to "pass the thing" at a dinner table whilst reaching out for a cheese platter, people who have knowledge of the apocalypse yet none of Wensleydale dairy products could easily say I'm asking for the Book of Revelation.


Good point on the same analogy. I guess all we can do is wait to see who's right on the whole topic.

You're an asshat for telling him that he can't assume something.

Stfu everyone anyway. It's out of our hands.

Wait...Did someone say that Dream Mix TV World Fighters is a good game? Putting aside its blatant rip-offedness from Smash Brothers, the game is awful. No triple jumps, no ring-outs, no roll dodges. If you're going to rip off Smash Brothers so much that you even put bubble shields into the game, finish ripping it off so that it plays identically and is actually fun.

Whoa, you're saying it's not fun? DMTV was VERY fun.

Geez, I've watched the Brawl video about 300 times now.

Rarely do I grow tired of the items. It usually offers the game a few more surprises and gives it more action. The game seems much more intense with items, with characters fighting their way towards the goodies or escaping them by all means necessary.

I dont get why people demerit items. They add an uncertainty to the game.

Whats more fun. Playing 8 games of the same tactic with the same characters or playing 8 games of randomness brought on by weapons.

If you're good weapons and items wont change the winning streak, Im sure you know how to block and doge.

Infact, wouldnt you be considered better if you can pwn with the randomness of weapons?

Just a thought.

The challenge of being the one to gain the item takes some level of skill. Sure, there is the chance that it can land on your side, but then it is up to the other player(s) to become the dodge master(s) and escape the power of various items. Some items take skill to use, too, like the zapper gun or even the hammer...or timing the bat-swing.

Man, when I saw this game's screenshots, I wanted it so badly. :( But knowing me, I won't be able to play it before dying from a headache/motion sickness.

I really want this game.

I usually have no items, partly becuase I play more competatively wiht my friends, but it is fun to turn on items in 4-player battles here and there. Adds a fun sort of chaos.

I think everyone wants this game. :D

I love how my post was deleted.

Yes I wrote simple just ...wow

because it's ****ing retarded. I'm sorry dex, but the hammer takes no skill to use. Once you pick up the item, all your movements are stopped, you're practically invincible and you get once jump. 2 - 3 hits it's an automatic kill and it's fairly easy to get people with it when coming into a stage, etc. That's not skill.

Items ruins the whole competative aspect of the game as it's random. It just makes a quick turn around and make s it unfair for one player. I can understand items on 4 people free for all, as that isn't competative as 2 people can double team one, but on a one on one, in the whole "who's better at the game" items should just be banned

I agree there, they add fun to non competative rounds, but sometimes I like to do a one on one game to see if I'm better than my friends or not, etc.

Lately, I've been just playing with no items. I mean, it can be really annoying when a heart piece appears right next to my friend as he is about to be killed. Althoough, items can be fun for 1 player.

I know that I'm going to want to play with the items in brawl because I want to see what they're like, especially those kickass looking special moves.

As much as I enjoy items, I have absolutely no problems playing without them. Many of the people I play with prefer playing without the items so I'm used to it both ways. I'm looking forward to all the new items in this next game though.

Double post!

I don't know. I didn't miss what it lacked. I wasn't expecting an exact SSB clone, so I didn't really care. I mean, I still managed to have loads of fun.

Psyduck and Toad would be nice to have as playable characters, too. I'd be surprised if Toad doesn't show up somewhere in the game. I could imagine Psyduck would bring on many laughs and would probably be a fun and different character to have and to play as. His motions would be fairly out of control and turbulent. He'd be a better choice than Jigglypuff.

How about a pokemon from the newer games. Like that one that transforms, I forget what his name is.

Ha, Ditto would be interesting. Not knowing much about Pokemon though, I'll move on.

I'd really like to see at least one other Zelda character in there. One that's one one of the main three characters. Deku, Zora, or Goron Link would be really cool. Or maybe something from Wind Waker. Makar could provide some laughs, and it'd be cool to have a Rito character.

No, that's not the one I'm talking about. His name is ummmm...(Searches the internet) Deoxys. He has three forms, a defense form, an attack form, and a normal form. He could create some interesting strategies.

I doubt they'll use one of the old pokemon, but they might. They'll probably pick whichever pokemon is the most popular in Japan. That's how they picked Pickachu and Jigglypuff.

I always thought Ditto would rock. Kinda like Kirby, except copy every single attribute of a character - except maybe slightly altered stats.

Also, Makar would suck, what the hell.


EDIT: I think Deoxys is more likely to be an item.

For Zelda, I would like to see either skull kid(w/majora's mask) or Vaati. i'd also like to see Gannondorf get a shiny new moveset where either uses his fricken' huge sword or the double swords from Windwaker. Also, Young Link should be changed to Windwaker link style. I would love to see a cel-shaded level for him.

Vaati would simply be awesome...

And yeah, we need more sword action from Ganon. Maybe then he wouldn't be a ****ed Falcon clone.

Fierce Deity Link anybody?
[IMG]http://students.thiel.edu/acosentino/images/_Oni%20link.jpg[/IMG]

Yeah, Vampiro pretty much nailed it on the item thing, the chaotic, stupid matches need items in a big way. The fact that they shouldn't be in a competitive environment really shouldn't be a debate at all.

I would rock Skull Kid if he was in it, or Fierce Deity.

I was thinking about new character and theirs moves and thought of some thing.

We need more moves that have affects. Like sleep or ice like some items in SSBM. Most of the moves were just many forms of doing normal damage. If a guy had poision or a slow down I think it would add more deph.

Things like Ice, burn, poison, and paralize could add more deph to the game.

Just a thought.

I'd go for an item that laid down a sheen of ice on the floor. How awesome would it be to put it near a ledge and lob someone onto it, and watch them just slide off the edge?!

I'd like to see Super Mario Sunshine's FLUDD and perhaps Luigi's vacuum cleaner from Luigi's Mansion as items. :cool:

[quote=Pit]Sure it adds randomness to the match, but it doesn't require much skill to pick up a poke ball that landed on your corner, throw it, and have the match change on you.

How about grabbing an item thrown at you?

I always used to play with my brother with all the items turned on. I'd try to get away with having a few extremely annoying items like heart peices turned off, but most of the time he'd turn them back on again or refuse to play.

Personally, I love unpredictability.

I usually play with all on, but on Low so that they don't get too annoying. It works.

i usually play wth only pokeballs, but i would rather watch yoshi jump around in slow motion on training mode.

lol they shuld add goku bcuz then i'd pwn u all!1!!

fuxxn n00bs, evn krillen ownz u!

When I play with items, I turn off many of them because they're just a little too much of an advantage. Things like food, the Heart Container/Maxum Tomato, the Hammer, et cetera are all barred. And, yeah, I know that to test true skill, itemless fights are the way to go, I just think turning them off all the time is a huge bore.

Know what new items I'd like to see? Zelda Masks and Mario Powerups. How boss would it be to flutter about with a racoon tail, or just blow yourself up near an opponent? Kind of like Roy's charged attack, where you get damage as well, but your enemies are the ones who are knocked away.

I always liked the bunny hood.

:(

The bunny hood may not be useful for close combat, but it can be good for evading. For example, you could use it to jump way from your opponents and then throw projectiles at them.

The cloaking device was a horrible item, though.

MY idea: Majora's Mask Link - can trasnform to goron link, zora link and shrub link or whatever. The super smash attack thing is trasnforming to Oni Link.

Yeah, I know, I just tested it out.

What character did you use?

http://www.smashbros.com/en/characters/index.html

Updates!

Meta Knight, Pit, Wario, Snake, Zero suit Samus... that covers the boxes at the bottom. There MUST be more than that.

I hope they make Luigi cooler in SSBB, like the way he was in Mario Kart 64, rather than homorific like he is these days.

Update!:http://www.smashbros.com/en/characters/chara3/index.html

I wonder, will Sonic the Hedgehog finally make an appearance? I hope so, that would be swell!

Actually, I'd like to see Boo in there. Also, why not putting Diddy or Dixie in? I'd like to see more Kong characters that aren't DK. Cause he sucks.

The more time passes, the more Wario's gas builds up.

That's kind of cool, actually. Presumably it can be speeded up by eating Food items. :)

For some reason I just assumed that they meant "The longer you hold downB, the more Wario's gas builds up"... though I guess the literal meaning has its advantages.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/MARIO_SPECIAL.jpg

Anyone notice how this attack mysteriously is shaped like Bowser? Or is that just me?

Oh, and Zero Suit Samus'll probably be the Shiek/=/Zelda type deal or something.

How the hell is that shaped like Bowser?

The Samus/Zero Samus transformation only happens under certain circumstances, you can't control it at will like Zelda/Sheik.

This better?

I think it looks more like two dragons or something.

I'm sort of dissappointed you have to do something with Samus to get her teh nekked. I mean suitless.

It's total cooincidence, the attack only looks like that for one frame of animation.

I saw it again, they are just huge things of delicious fire.

Wait... isn't bowser in this one?

It's likely that the characters from Melee will return, but they haven't been confirmed.

i think they are getting rid of some people, probably clones like dr. mario or ganondorf clone. oh well.
Mario pwns j00. Yup.

They probably will bring them back just so it can look like they have more chracters.

toad should be a character, no?

No.

There were three people I wanted to be in Smash Bro's.
1.Metaknight
The fact that they added him leads me to beleive Nintendo finally understood the concept that everyone loves a demonic kirby with a sword.
2.Mallow
From Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars for SNES. This little guy was awesome! Gimmie Mallow ****it!
3.Wario
Total fatass and Marios evilness. Thank you nintendo :)

Yeah, I am a nublate who staryed here from the KH2 forums.
...But at least I can admit it :)

[quote=Steve Urkel]Wait... isn't bowser in this one?

No, it's only those 9 characters. :rolleyes:

Vampiro: They are, infact, axing certain characters aswell as adding new ones. It even says so on the website. They're most likely cutting out all the clones like Roy, Ganondorf, Pichu, Dr Mario and Young Link.

I don't want Young Link to go. :(

I wonder how many characters there will be, though? Surely it'll have more then 25, but will it just get too big eventually?

I strongly feel that Young Link will morph into Wind Waker Link.

I actually think that 25 should be the cap for characters - thirty at a push. It's just too many to have any real differences, as we saw in Melee.

[IMG]http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/NightmareBassX/BATTLEFORTHEHOLYLAND.jpg[/IMG]
BATTLE FOR THE HOLY LAND!

They'll have many characters from the crusades as well... Interesting.

[quote=NightmareBassX]
They'll have many characters from the crusades as well... Interesting.

You keep dreaming. If they were to actually do that, they should get World War 2 characters in the game, too.

"NEWCOMER: MUSSOLINI"

"NEWCOMER: TOJO"

There, now we have all the Axis powers. :)

And I just thought of Marina from Mischief Makers being in Smash. t3h r0x.

The reason they are axing characters is because, despite having 70+ people working on the game they still have a time limit. They don't want to spend it reworking old clones when they could spend it adding completely different and more important characters.

For example, trading Ganondorf for Sonic is a great trade in my eyes. You've got a character that plays differently and you have another game represented, instead of having a different version of the 4th Zelda character.

Yeah, I see what you're saying, but I would kinda rather have a better Ganon than a new Sonic.

Gamers would "rather have" a lot of silly things that they don't actually want.

He's still saying it will basically be a clone. So **** that.

Well if the Axe roy, that kinds sucks. They should have alternate versions of character interchangeble, like for example, when you select Mario, you can have the choice of being regular, or Dr. Mario, and not two seperate character like before. All stats will still go into "Mario", weather Dr. KO's a lot or what.