Sony are the new Nintendo...

...of the 80s.

You thought Nintendo treated game developers like crap? Wait till you see this:

Sony Computer Entertainment Japan and KIPA (a Korean government agency that promotes IT) co-organized a business proposal PS3 event for developers in Korea.

The meeting didn

Holy god, do they WANT to go out of business?

Actually nintendo was far worse than this in 80's. nice try speedfreak

Yeah, Speedfreak. The main problem developers had with Nintendo is that when they got involved with a project that deeply, it had to be good when it was finished. This made it much, much tougher.

Oh, wait. Misread that part. Nevermind. It still won't be enough to wake up Kojima.

Wasn't this thread A LOT bigger at one point?...

While the first post had somewhat of a "decency" to it, I don't like the swarm of Coarse-like fanboys that are to come afterwards.

/staying out of it

[quote=Unite]Actually nintendo was far worse than this in 80's. nice try speedfreak

Bullshit, Nintendo never stole IP.

Sony IS the new Nintendo. Not are...geez.

Interesting read though. Although I don't think it's going to hurt Sony in the near future. It'd take a world disaster right now to take down what Sony has established in the VG Market. Anyone game?

[quote=Prince Shondronai]Yeah, Speedfreak. The main problem developers had with Nintendo is that when they got involved with a project that deeply, it had to be good when it was finished. This made it much, much tougher.

Oh, wait. Misread that part. Nevermind. It still won't be enough to wake up Kojima.

Actually, most developers found their rating system to be really quite fair. The real problem was the fact that Nintendo was the only publisher, EVERYONE had to submit games to them in order to be published. And whenever there were shortages of chips Nintendo basically always picked their own games to be published first and dealt the remainder to developers. They also manufactured shortages of games for marketing purposes.
The former is pretty common, if unfair business sense, the latter is still common practise today. The whole system was just crap to begin with, but it was also the first of it's kind. If Nintendo didn't invent this restrictive system (which has been later refined to the system we have today) then it would've basically been Atari all over again.

Nintendo might not have had excuses to do what they did, but they had reasons most of the time. Sony have neither.

[quote=Ant]It'd take a world disaster right now to take down what Sony has established in the VG Market. Anyone game?

Like their management and corperate strategy, perhaps?

Well Sony has been making critical errors lately in the gaming industry but I don't think anything that will completely kill them off.

speedfreak:

How long did you waste find this? I won't even bother checking out the links u provided. Is this how you act when your companies main system is pratically dead?

btw about those gba to gc link cables you spoke of like they were best thing since silced bread. I bought 2, were they suppose be used in like 3 games only?

Okay, are you the same Unite that used to post here or are you just using his account? You never used to type like a 2 year old.

As it happens, I wasted about 3 seconds. Someone else posted this in another board I visit. They in turn got it from Kotaku, a popular games website.

I've never spoken of the GBA/GC link cables favourably, they're fucking bulls[COLOR=lightgreen]h[/COLOR]it. What I have spoken favourably of is Four Swords Adventures, it's the most hilarious multiplayer game in existance.

How "my" company is doing has sod all to do with how much of a cunt Sony is being. I'd have thought that obvious.

[quote=Unite]They should used Nintendo's management and corperate strategy right?

Sony - 40 quarters of conecutive losses in one or more sectors. Losing ground in all consumer electronics areas to companies like Toshiba, Samsung and Panasonic. Withdrawing from key markets. PSP hardware and software selling less than expecting. Won't see profit from PS3 for the first 2 years.

Nintendo - Profit. Profit. Profit. Regardless of sales figures.

So yes, actually. No financial adviser in their right mind would advise you to invest in Sony. Nintendo, on the other hand, are known for being extremely stable and constantly turning a profit.

So what? Are you talking about Sony the PlayStation company or Sony the entire company? You push that Sony makes more than just a PS2. That's totally irrelevant to a gaming conversation.

What do you mean "so what"? I'm answering his fucking question, that's what. How the hell can you not see that?

I thought he was referring to Nintendo vs. Sony's gaming marketing strategy. :/

SCE's recent strategies haven't been so intelligent either, as I stated.

I just got that you were getting into the whole company rather than Sony's gaming area only. You mentioned other companies so I was just saying that they had to do with the rest of the company. My bad. :/

Speedfreak:


Aww such anger no need to take it out on fate. You have changed over the last 2 years or so based on how gc and nintendo is doing. Nintendo bright future is little cloudly right now, so i can see why your little snappy. I'm here to free you from your hate. You need to stop looking into news about Sony, really it's not healthy. You take it so personally and your only reading articals that **** you off.

"Nintendo bright future is little cloudly right now"

Yeah those billions of dollars they have, i'm sure they'll go bankrupt any day now.

Nigga, if you wanna dance, I know how to tango

Companies have been doing this sort of "big fish eat little fish" thing for ages, way before it was applied to gaming. I can see some things that must be done just because Sony's a big company dealing with dozens and dozens of other companies in the same way, such as clarifying that which games get chosen for the market is entirely their decision, but I can't believe they couldn't just give the profit a fair divide.

Prince hasn't changed a bit. He's still the same old Nintendo fanboy that hates the merger with Square and Enix.

I think that's what he meant and what everyone is supposed to assume...

What the hell is this? Seriously, Unite, who the heck are you? You definately aren't the same Unite that used to post here. He used to posts were something you could respect, not the poorly spelt, illogical babble that you're producing. Get the hell off his account.

Anyway, Christ, where to start?

Talking about Sony's business practises as a whole company are very much relevent to a gaming discussion, for it is the main part of Sony that directs SCE. PS3 is part of the whole company's strategy to get Blu-Ray into homes, for instance. I did mention some of SCEs stupider mistakes anyway so it doesn't really matter.

About Tetris, if anyone stole that it was Communist Russia. That franchise was whored out against Elorg's permission all over the place; if anything Nintendo were the ones to only actually buy the rights fairly.

Also, I'm not angry. You don't have to be angry to point out idiocy.

This thread is entirely relevent to gaming. Sony, a gaming company, are being assholes to small games developers. How that isn't relevent to the world of gaming is utterly beyond me, so perhaps you could enlighten us.

I never explicity said all PS1 or PS2 owners are morons. I own a PS2 for God's sake. What I probably said was the average PS2 owner knows sod all about games, which is true. The average person knows sod all about games, so it would follow that the average owner of the most popular console would be the most similar to the average person. The same applies to DS. Even more so, actually, considering it's designed to attract non-gamers.

And for the record, I fully recognise that Nintendo were indeed ruthless gits on the whole in the NES and SNES eras, and have said before that I'm glad they got a boot up their arse because they needed to realise they weren't invincible.

Uh, dude, people have talked to Fate. If I'm not mistaken, there are people on here who have met her in real life. Somehow I doubt that Big Boss has that skill at faking an account.

Though wrestling is retarded:cookie:

I find Speedfreak to currently be the most interesting contributor towards the topic of games. His knowledge is impressive and he has educated me in many areas that were rather grey.

Big Boss, but he doesnt seem to post as much.

Though the lack of fanboyism is nice:cool:

Big Boss is good, but he barely posts here. The one who seems to be giving me the most worthy information is Speedfreak. Someone could still be a fanboy and leave certain material out and still come out with a worthy contribution and an interesting observation.

[QUOTE=Speedfreak]What the hell is this? Seriously, Unite, who the heck are you? You definately aren't the same Unite that used to post here. He used to posts were something you could respect, not the poorly spelt, illogical babble that you're producing. Get the hell off his account.

I agree. This isn't the Unite I used to know. Also, I'm just trying to say that their gaming industry practices should be separated from the rest of their practices, seeing as how Sony is more than just a game company. Just sayin'.

And holy crap, Prince, are you still going on about that fake account business? :(

You guys have to trust me when I say the bashing of the consoles all get equal treatment from BB. Serious. Sometimes I don't hear the end of it. It's always polygon this, coding that, textures and blahblahblah.

Wait...you actually think Fate is Big Boss? That would be pretty ****ed up. But, I don't believe it :cool2:

[quote=Unite]Aww now I recall correctly you said most ps1/ps2 owners are morons. I give up on freeing you from your hate and anger.

Most PS2 owners are morons for the simple fact that most people are morons.

[quote=Unite]ya you probably want to have that info checked right away. Seeing as someone as biased as speedfreak, he's not exactly the best place to getting info from. As for someone to look for as lord of spam said big boss is nice. You should also do abit research your self, you might of found speedfreak left out some key info.

Excuse me, sir. But I actually like to know what the hell I'm talking about. The things Dexter is talking about are pure facts, there's no way to put any bias into them, otherwise they cease to be facts.

But by all means, if you think I'm biased then let's see a counter-arguement. Otherwise sod off, because you blatently don't even know enough to be able to tell if I'm biased.

[quote=Vampiro]You say BB is fine, yet disregard Seedy because he's "biased"? Uh, BB is far more biased than Seedy is.

Was that intentional? :-/

[quote=Unite]I also mentioned he should research alittle himself for the answers . As i remember raiden he wasn't but i been away for a long time too.

Are you fucking kidding me? The past six months I've been absorbing as much in-depth technical information as I can possibly comprehend just so I can have a clue what these hyper-nerds at some other forum I go to are talking about.

If you're going to say my information is off than provide some evidence, because right now you're whining.