violent games




Posted by gOdOfWaR

this is relly bursting my bubble. politics can not stay away from riffing on the gameing world.they want to put tax on all violent games.not just sport or action games on only violent games you will never be able to get rid of violent games its the 3rd part that makes up the industry.so what is this going to mean on future systems? i dont no but if i see a system with flowers and little animals running around.




Posted by Iris

...so? It's not like they're outlawed, it's only incentive for people not to purchase them. It's better than letting children have easy, cheap access to them.




Posted by Crazy K

Well I could barely make out what you wrote, but whatever.

Anyways I do think politicians are taking violence in video games a little to serius. First off if we see violence in a lot of movie then whats the difference if a game has it. And I think its bull **** that a game should be rated Adult if it has a sex scene or whatever. I mean look are a lot of R rated films, and they tend to have some nudity and even sex scenes.

Seriously though if they put taxes on violent games, it probably won't make a big difference anyways. If your a real gamer or just a gamer in general you will still buy a game no matter the cost (unless you can't trully afford it).

I still find politicians to be to strict on violent games.

Here is my opinion on the ESRB rating system with the Movie ratings

E Rated should range up to ages 3-up | G, and or PG rated films

T Rated Should range from ages 13-up | PG-13 and Up

M Rated Should Range from 18-up | Rated R (Ages 18-up)

Adult rated should range from 18-up (but it has basicly everything to do with porn| Adult films (Ages 18 and up)

But thats what I believe is right.




Posted by Iris

In games, you can create violent situations.




Posted by Crazy K

I just caught the CBC news (Canadian channel) and they were talking about a fatal accident and they believe that these guys who caused the accident copied Need For Speed Most Wanted, just because the game was in the car. But wow some people can just be so dumb. But seriously though if your at an age of around 16 (I dont know how old these guys were though) and up you should no better not to act like a complete idiot.




Posted by Linko_16

I think what should change is the enforcement of the rating system. A lot of parents don't know or don't care about it, but people need to understand the ramifications of allowing children to get their hands on mature games.




Posted by Stalolin

[quote=gOdOfWaR]they want to put tax on all violent games.not just sport or action games on only violent games you will never be able to get rid of violent games
lol what about sales tax

And I consider action games to be violent games.

And simply, if a parent doesn't want their child playing violent games then they should just not let them play them. Researchers have not been able to find that violent games are bad for people. A certain anti-video game activist is being shot down because of the lack of research and because of the somewhat 'fixed' research. The rating system is fine, in fact, just sell games to kids of all ages. I trust parents to decide what they want their child playing and if they aren't willing to take time and research something then it's the parents fault. Parenthood isn't supposed to be easy like that.




Posted by higbvuyb

Q. Why put taxes on the games?
A. Because they get money, and they also think it looks like they're trying to reduce violent game usage.




Posted by Iris

[quote=Stalolin]The rating system is fine, in fact, just sell games to kids of all ages. I trust parents to decide what they want their child playing and if they aren't willing to take time and research something then it's the parents fault. Parenthood isn't supposed to be easy like that.
It shouldn't be done just to spite them. :-\ Yeah, parents should know what their kids are doing blahblahblah, but why should that make Grand Theft Auto rated E? It's best to take precautions, so that if the kid buys it on his/her own, at least the salesman can (should) do something about it, rather than having everything pinned on the parents.




Posted by Speedfreak

[quote=Iris]In games, you can create violent situations.

You can do that with a peice of paper and some crayons.




Posted by -])arkSide-


Quoting "GamePolitics.com": Earlier this week, GamePolitics [URL="http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/183912.html"]broke the news[/URL] that Republican Texas gubernatorial candidate Star Locke was advocating a 50% tax on violent games.

However a GP reader has spotted an apparent change in that policy, as listed on Locke's campaign website, [URL="http://www.starovertexas.com/family_security_and_protection_act.html"]Star Over Texas[/URL]. According to his site, Locke is now advocating a 100% tax on violent games. Hey, why not 500%?

Gamers who are also junk food junkies (and, really, aren't we all?) will also be appalled - or amused - by Locke's proposed 50% "grease tax" on fried food and 50% tax on soda.

Interestingly, Locke introduces his unusual taxing proposals with a paragraph that includes the phrase, "... putting certain dangerous actions and dangerous products out of the reach of children thereby keeping our most precious blood-our children out of 'HARMS WAY.'"

Thanks to GP reader Wayne for the 411...

I think this guy is going a little overbored...



Posted by Iris

[quote=Speedfreak]You can do that with a peice of paper and some crayons.
Believe it or not, beating a hooker with a baseball bat is much more simple on a video game.




Posted by Dragner

Hasn't this been going on senses Mortal Combat? That should show that violent games aren't going anywhere for some time. They can try whatever they want but you think they would have learned by now that if someone (kid or other wise) wants a violent game they'll get it some how. Like I heard that they are going to classify any game with an M rated as porn in California but will that really stop someone from buying it?




Posted by Darkbackward

The whole idea of "children killing because they played a violent game" is ridiculous. Worthy of an eternal label of idiot to whomever believes it.

However, there are *some* people who are *not* right in the head and *that* might cause them to act out.

Include Movies, Music, Animation, and yes, Books.

In that sense it is a parent's duty to understand their child. If their child is normal then they will not act out. If their child suffers from psychological problems then they might act out.

The only reason why children shouldn't play violent games is because of losing their innocence.

Include Moves, Music, Animation, and yes, Books.

A parent should not be concerned that their child will steal a car and run over people if they play GTA. They should be concerned that their children might be upset, sad, and generally feeling "wrong" if they do that.

So, children playing violent games does not equal violence unless a child is seriously disturbed. It equals an end to innocence, and possibly frustrating behavior.

Thusly, now that the ignorance of "video games causing violence" has completely been obliterated by the most basic of common sense. We can say that a children's innocence should be protected instead.

The rating system, however, fails.

The reason why it failed is because it is modeled after the movie rating system. Which is flawed to begin with.

I do not disagree with the G and PG rating system. I do disagree with the PG-13 and R rating, however.

Take two movies: The Hot Chick and Saving Private Ryan. The first is a PG-13 rated movie with absolutely no substance. The Second is an R rated movie that inspires feelings of patriotism.

Thusly, The Hot Chick = Worthless, Saving Private Ryan = Not.

Now, teenagers who can't handle Saving Private Ryan are either mentally retarded (not meant as an insult) or have severe psychological disabilities. In those cases, caution should be handled by parents. But, for the rest of the teenagers, it is a film that if they see, it will disturb them, but ultimately prove useful to their development.

The Hot Chick, as previously mentioned, is worthless.

My Opinion? Reverse the rating to include "worthwhile" movies such as Saving Private Ryan in the PG-13 category whilst the Hot Chick garners an R rating for being worthless.

The game rating system should be modeled after that train of thought as well.




Posted by Shinsei

But uh.. All games can be violent.. I mean, in most hockey games you can start a fight, and in most car games you can crash your car. Think of how the driver would look if that was for real! And just look at Mario! :O He jumps on them small mushrooms (or whatever they are), and they die! What if they had families? Violence (to some sort) is a part of pretty much all games. Even Pok




Posted by WILLETH FOR MONTHS

Pressing a button and an analogue stick does not qualify you as being able to drive. Why, then, does it qualify you in being able to handle a firearm, or similar?

But yeah, ratings need to be enforced, no question. Anyone in the UK will have noticed that there's leaflets on every game shop's counter now, detailing everything. Not a great step, but a step nonetheless.




Posted by GameMiestro

Originally Posted by GamePolitics.com
Earlier this week, GamePolitics [URL="http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/183912.html"]broke the news[/URL] that Republican Texas gubernatorial candidate Star Locke was advocating a 50% tax on violent games.

However a GP reader has spotted an apparent change in that policy, as listed on Locke's campaign website, [URL="http://www.starovertexas.com/family_security_and_protection_act.html"]Star Over Texas[/URL]. According to his site, Locke is now advocating a 100% tax on violent games. Hey, why not 500%?

Gamers who are also junk food junkies (and, really, aren't we all?) will also be appalled - or amused - by Locke's proposed 50% "grease tax" on fried food and 50% tax on soda.

Interestingly, Locke introduces his unusual taxing proposals with a paragraph that includes the phrase, "[I]... putting certain dangerous actions and dangerous products out of the reach of children thereby keeping our most precious blood-our children out of 'HARMS WAY.'
"

Thanks to GP reader Wayne for the 411...



Always good to see how Texas is fighting against violence in the world!