Sony enter Panic Mode

Sony maybe perhaps a little scared but their far from panic mode. They're home console dominates easily outselling the Xbox 4-1 it seems, and outselling the Gamecube 5.5-1. They have lost a good ordeal of cash (With lawsuits, recalls, and other problems) in the gaming industry but they have been hitting hard console sale wise. Though the PSP's aren't selling like the DS's, keep in mind the DS is cheap and affordable. I would buy a DS over a PSP for the sheer fact that it's cheaper. The PSP I feel overall has a few better games but thats personal opinion. When the PSP drops down some on cash, i'm sure the sales will go up.

Sony has to worry some about losing some of the party support. It seems as though Microsoft is starting to steal some of their steam. Having Resident Evil 5, Final Fantasy XI, Castlevania, Perhaps Metal Gear, and some other games that have been mainly Sony exclusive titles may come back to bite them, but as of now doesn't seem to shake anything.

I myself don't really like Sony, but I must say they have great marketing idea's and will probably win this coming console race. It maybe less than what it was for this race, but I think they won't worry a little too much.

Call it a hunch.

[COLOR="Yellow"]A spokesman lying about their company? Nooooo! You're kidding? I am shocked!!!!!!!!!! I just know this is going to be devastating to me as a gamer [/COLOR]:rolleyes:

Those were figurative asses and names. Their games are still better than everyone else's, in my opinion, so they've done their job, says I.

sony won't enter panic mode until the ps3's sales drop off after the initial few million fanboys buy the system without realizing there aren't any games on it that they want, that they hate the controller and the next 5 redesigns sony makes of it, and that most of their favorite developers have gone multiplatform because the ps3 is too hard to develop for and not as powerful as sony's demos and propaganda have made it out to be. Then they'll quickly announce the ps4, which will actually be more of a ps3.5 and will thus be supremely outclassed by the third X-box and Nintendo's follow-up to the Revolution.

[quote=Aioros][COLOR=yellow]A spokesman lying about their company? Nooooo! You're kidding? I am shocked!!!!!!!!!! I just know this is going to be devastating to me as a gamer [/COLOR]:rolleyes:

[COLOR=yellow]Didn't he say that Nintendo would be kicking a[COLOR=yellow]s[/COLOR]ses and taking names? It's been like, almost 2 years and i've yet to see any as[COLOR=yellow]s[/COLOR]es kicked or names taken by Nintendo.

Liar liar, pants on fire.[/COLOR]

PSP is getting pounded into the floor by DS, and GBA still outsells both of them combined. Try looking harder. I guess totally bullshitting is something Sony fans have grown accustomed to over the years, because on our planet flat out lying about your success is a great display of weakness, aswell as being totally illegal.

That's 10 million units shipped, HPK, not sold. Units shipped means they have about 10 million on the shelves and in stores. Having all of those sold, though, is a bit of a difference.

oops.. Sorry but still 100 Million PS2 Units sold is spectacular. Nintendo can't touch that. Neither can Microsoft. Both their home consoles combined can't touch that. As much as I dislike Sony, they definately have the upper hand.

Theres no buts about it. But But Nintendo is selling better handheld wise. Thats handheld wise not overall and Sony has way more cash than Nintendo may ever have. Truth hurts but it needed to be said. Sonys not scared. If anything the other competitors are a little timid.

Just needed to be said. Can't compete with sales like those. You just can't..

Sorry Ninty Fanboys :-\ I don't like Sony much either but what can ya do?

100 million PS2 units isn't that spectacular. Companies don't usually make money off their hardware. It's the software sales that make the big bucks. In that area, Nintendo is making and has made the most money. Although Sony isn't far behind, with the current problems they are having in gaming, I doubt they'll stay there. Microsoft is fairly far behind, but they aren't losing in the industry, by far.

Sony mostly has the upper hand because of their ties with the movie and music industry. No matter what happens in gaming, they still make money, as does Microsoft, since they have their hands in computers.

I'm not even talking about money. I'm talking about cold hard sales. Developers will want to put their games onto Sony products because they have been selling much better than either of the other two consoles. It gives Sony the upper hand in a lot of exclusive titles. Money means a lot but Sony has Billions upon Billions, they're not worried about the cash. Sales people sales. Money is a big thing in this world (obviously) but they want to gain fans respect so later down the road they can earn more cash.

100 Million is a lot.. Xbox sells around 21 million and the cube around 16 million. Combined they just can't compete.

I'm reminded of those commercials with the guys talking about that ugly green sport shoe.

GUY 1: "The kids will think it's sick"

GUY 2: "Sick? What's sick?"

GUY 1: "Sick, it's like phat. It means it's cool, it's what all the kids are saying now"

GUY 2: "Oh I get it. So if we release this, we'll be so phat... we'll be sick?"

[quote=SomebodyRandom]Developers will want to put their games onto Sony products because they have been selling much better than either of the other two consoles.Actually, developers want to put their games on systems because of how easy they are to develop and are fun to create. Developers are looking at the PS3 and going, "Ew... That looks like no fun." They're looking at the Xbox 360 and thinking, "That could be pretty alright..." And, as for the Revolution? Let's just say they're jumping up and down like a poodle about to get a treat.:)

There's a perfectly logical explanation as to why Sony sells so many Playstation 2 units, and why Nintendo sells so little Gamecube units. The answer should be obvious though; the PS2 breaks extremely easy. I know people on their 3rd and 4th Playstation 2 consoles. Being proud of their supposed spectacular number of PS2s sold, KNOWING that a huge chunk of that came from people needing to replace them only makes Sony look even more arrogant.

It's also becuase lots of idiots and fanboys buy the PS2, not knowing that the Xbox is better and the Gamecube is even better.

[quote=SomebodyRandom]And PS2's sell better than anything so shut up about the DS and GBA. They're a lot cheaper and that makes it affordable. Of course people are going to go for cheap. I'd like to buy my brother a PS2 but no it's more expensive and I can't afford to give him "more expensive" so i'm sticking with buying him a cube.

Sony has great success. Look at the PS2 Sales. Speedfreak open your eyes for a minute. Do you realize they easily outsell the Gamecube, DS, and maybe GBA sales combined with the combination of the PS2/PSP? I garun D*mn Tee it.

What's your point? Reggie said they'd kick a[COLOR=lightgreen]s[/COLOR]s about 4 years after Gamecube launched, there's not really much hope for GC after that kind of wait, f[COLOR=lightgreen]u[/COLOR]cktard. Ever since he said it, all their new products have p[COLOR=lightgreen]i[/COLOR]ssed over Sony's, that's what I'm getting at.

And actually, you're wrong. All units combined, Nintendo owns the friggin' industry. They make half as much money on software as EA, the largest videogame publisher in the world, despite only developing for a quarter to a third of all platforms. What the hell does that tell you about how much a[COLOR=lightgreen]s[/COLOR]s they're kicking?

The 100 million PS2s is also the amount shipped and replaced combined, by the way. PS2s have the highest failure rate of any product in the industry, fact. Sony never EVER report real world figures, which is why they're passing off the 100 million number for PS2, the 10 million for PSP and the 2 TeraFLOP figure for PS3. They are the masters of marketing bulls[COLOR=lightgreen]h[/COLOR]it and they treat consumers like f[COLOR=lightgreen]u[/COLOR]cking morons.

I'd really like to get back on topic of the subject of spokesmen lying. Both Big Boss and Aioros, huge anti-Nintendo and pro-Sony supporters, claime Reggie the Ninty spokesman is also a liar but have both still failed to give examples.

Big Boss, Aioros or any other person who is capable please give a real example of Reggie, or any other Nintendo spokesperson lying with evidence.

Thanks

What the hell is this coalition against Sony? Do you guys even play with a PS2? I don't know what ****ty gamer tactics you guys are using, but if you treat your systems with care, nothing should happen to them. The game library is ****ing amazing.

For all the idiots that are saying cheaper........DS with mario kart 149.99......DS with Nintendogs..... 149.99.... PS2 149.99 and just from my personal experience this fall in one of the biggest shopping areas in nashville i have sold out of ds hardware many many times and i still have about 20 psp units..... i think ive sold maybe 50-100 ds units and maybe 10 units for the psp.

"We're the only company showing true innovation" is a total lie. Their systems may be innovative, their controllers may be innovative, and even their handhelds are innovative. But let's check a look at first-party games other than games like Pikmin or something?

Let's see, Mario Kart, Zelda, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Extreme Snowboarding with Nintendo Characters Everywhere, etc. No doubt you can have fun with the games, but to call your company a pioneer of all things innovative is just a flat-out lie.

Fate, do you see Sony or Microsoft taking those risks? No. The only thing nearly innovative that either is doing is Sony's new controller, which isn't anything special at all. The other companies are keeping everything standardized and dare not to stray from the norm.

Thank you Opeth I think I finally found someone worthy of thinking on a higher level on this. Comparing overall not just handhelds. Like I said.. I can and will compare.

Yeah, I've pretty much given up hope with Prince. I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt in the past, but he's suddenly become more aggressive towards me.

The PS2 is also quality. Fanboys of any system will find any reason to dislike a different console.

Wow. That was the dumbest string of comments ever. If you don't think the PS2 has an amazing library, you're a fanboy. The irony is quite frankly intoxicating.

Yeah, anyway, Nintendo does innovate with software, you're just citing stupid examples. Mario Party is made by Hudson, it's not a Nintendo developed game, it's just their property. Despite this, Mario Party does actually try to do something new in every single installment. The fact that these new additions are a lot of the time just total crap is irrelevent. Fact is, they could just pull an EA and just keep adding more minigames, but they don't. Second, Mario sports titles bloody rock and there should be more of them. They're some of the best party games you can possibly buy. I don't really see how they aren't fresh and new considering Mario Tennis and Golf are the only ones with sequels. All the other titles are brand new.

As for their main franchises, are you nuts? They're the only company that consistently get comments like "they ruined Zelda" every time they introduce something new to their games, yet they prove people wrong EVERY TIME and they STILL DO IT.

Okay, sure, they aren't making as many franchises as, say, Sony right now. Here's a clue why that is. Nintendo is 25 fucking years old. At the same stage Sony is at now, they were making MUCH more new franchises. It just so happens that most of them were bloody popular and, from a business standpoint, needed to be maintained. Yet they still manage to bring out new franchises. The fact that Sony's making new franchises isn't remotely special considering they had none to begin with. As the final nail in the coffin of your arguement, what the hell have Sony done to make Gran Turismo fresh every time other than updating graphics and adding more cars? Absolutely sod-all, that's what.

First off, Addy, I wasn't implying that the PS2 has the best library, nor was I saying that Nintendo's library wasn't impressive. My statement was meant to take a shot at people who just deny it.

Also, regardless of Nintendo's age, they are no longer the "pioneers of innovation" since NOTHING NEW IS COMING FROM THE GAMES. A Zelda game is still a Zelda game, no matter how impressive it is or how many bells and whistles are added to the gameplay.

[quote=Fate][COLOR=skyblue]Like I said, Nintendo can innovate hardware, but in terms of software, it's the same old stuff. I'm not saying Nintendo is bad, or that the other systems are superior. I just stated something that Bebop wanted to hear.[/COLOR]The DS is a main example of both innovative hardware and software. With that second screen, they could have just done what I expected them to: release a lot of games, and use that second screem to hold the map/HUD. They didn't do that. They released games like Nintendogs, Pokemon Racing, and so forth. Once you release a hardware, there's not much you can do from there. What innovations could they have done with the 'Cube? They release Sunshine, which had a new mechanic (psst, it was the big water gun!). Metroid Prime was rather innovative, adding a bit of adventure to the generic FPS genre. Reggie didn't lie when he said that, because it's true: Nintendo is the company that is taking the most risks and being the most innovative.

[quote=Fate]What the hell is this coalition against Sony? Do you guys even play with a PS2? I don't know what ****ty gamer tactics you guys are using, but if you treat your systems with care, nothing should happen to them. The game library is ****ing amazing.

I <3 my PS2. I've only had to have it sent in for repairs once, and I can say the same for my GameCube.

I'm sure a lot of DS Sales is because it's cheaper though. I mean theres no garunteed way to figure out how many exactly but I probably have 20 friends with DS's and 10 friends with PSP's. Probably 18 out of the 20 friends who owned DS's say they would have gotten a PSP had the price tag been the same. But it's not. It costs more to produce and some people just can't afford to pay that price tag. It's logical really. If you can't afford your first choice, why not go with the alternative choice?

[quote=Fate][COLOR=skyblue]First off, Addy, I wasn't implying that the PS2 has the best library, nor was I saying that Nintendo's library wasn't impressive. My statement was meant to take a shot at people who just deny it.[/COLOR]

Um, yeah. And I'm picking at your weird idea that people can't deny PS2 having the best library.

EDIT: Oh, I fucking love this whole "We'll never convince them of anything" charade. Really, it has to be the most hypocritical peice of bullshit I've seen you guys put out.

Deny that the PS2 has a good library, at least. You can't possibly call Dragon Quest, Chrono Cross, and Final Fantasy crap just because they're on a Sony console. It's the same way that I can't deny Nintendo having a [generally] awesome first-party lineup.

Yes I can and yes you can. How good a game library is depends entirely on what games you like. I would've thought that insanely obvious.

Seriously though, if you really don't think Nintendo are the biggest risk-takers and innovators in the industry, ESPECIALLY for their size, then you're an insane minority. The entire games industry disagrees with you. Assuming we're fanboys for thinking that is one of the stupidest, most ignorant things I've ever heard anyone say, considering you're assuming that the vast majority of every member of every development team out there is also a fanboy. It's quite obvious that you guys are carrying far more bias than all of us combined.

It's the same concept as me calling modern art "unartistic." I think it's crap, but I won't deny the art value. I guess it's difficult for me to convey what I really mean since I'm not that eloquent. :/

I admit fully that PS2 has a big library, but that's really all I can admit without bringing personal opinion into it.

[COLOR="Yellow"]JESUS FUC[COLOR="Yellow"]K[/COLOR]ING CHRIST, Speedfreak. More games means more good games than the competition. Don't pretend like you don't understand the logic behind that statement.

Look, Ocarina of Time is considered the best game of all time by many. Not by me, but definitely by many. If i was told to assemble a well thought out top 50 list of the best games i would place OoT #1, why? Because i was told to make an honest list with personal preferences out of the way. After looking at overall scores from different sites and magazines plus other factors, it would be the obvious conclusion.

The same goes for Sony's library. Look at the amount of high scored, popular, original and exclusive games in the PS2's library, it's not hard to see that it easily outnumbers the competition in every way.[/COLOR]

How can I understand the logic behind that statement WHEN THERE ISN'T ANY? More games doesn't mean more good games that the competition, this is utter horses[COLOR=lightgreen]h[/COLOR]it. If it were true, PCs would reign supreme as they have orders of magnitude more titles than any home system to date. But they don't, because most of the games are in of about 4 genres that are only ever popular on the PC with extremely few innovations between them.
It should come as no surprise that the term "FPS" wasn't even widely used until Goldeneye 007 came out; until then they were called "Doom clones", which really says something about the state of PC games.

Your example makes no godd[COLOR=lightgreen]a[/COLOR]mn sense whatsoever, either. First off, who the f[COLOR=lightgreen]u[/COLOR]ck would ask you to compile a list of the 50 greatest games and not allow you to bring personal opinion into it, when the only thing that remotely defines how great a game is is your personal opinion of it.

I'll humour you here, though. If someone did ask you to do the impossible, the only logical way to compile such a list is through each game's popularity (everyone else's opinion), i.e sales figures. You could do a vote, but not everyone would take part so the results would be innaccurate. Sales figures are much more accurate "voting" results anyhow, as everyone has taken part.
I can bet you sure as hell wouldn't be pleased with the list that would result anyway. You might not have a problem with Super Mario Bros being the best game of all time, but I'll bet anything that you'd be p[COLOR=lightgreen]i[/COLOR]ssed at Pokémon Red/Blue being rated higher than FFVII.

I like how he made a whole thread out of one paragraph, and then proceeded to ignore the entire rest of it.

Three cheers for the anti-sony fanboy.

Yeah, mainly because the rest of it wasn't really anything special. Kinda like how normally when people make threads they're talking about one thing that happens in the whole world without talking about all the other things.

[quote=Prince Shondronai]There's only one game that offends me simply for being on a sony console, and that's Kingdom Hearts. Praised by Squaresoft and playstation fans alike, had this game been a GAMECUBE exclusive, it would have been berated and laughed at as "just another kiddy Nintendo game."

I have to say, you hit the nail on the head with that one. Not that it being on Gamecube would've changed my opinion of it. Final Fantasy VII and Disney, to me, is the worst combination of characters ever. I really do hate both universes.

[quote=Prince Shondronai]Mostly I'm giving fate a hard time because "she's" a fake account created by big boss.Fate is not a fake account created by Big Boss.
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The PS gaming library has the worst good-to-bad ratio. For every good game, there at least 20 other crappy games. If I had control of Sony, there would never be another Spongebob Squarepants, That's So Raven, or any other Disney/Nickelodeon/Cartoon Network game on my system, ever again.

*edit* Unless, of course, those publishers would be willing to part with 90% of the profits. I would make a whole $30 on that game, worldwide.

I bloody can and you can't stop me. Superman 64 was a smash hit in the states.

Never heard of it. And no you can't argue with sales. I mean you can but you won't get very far.

Superman 64, aka worst game of all time. Sold like hotcakes in the US despite this. I might not be able to argue with the numbers, but I sure as hell can deny that they define how good a game is.

Well I agree with that. But thats personal opinion really. Someone like my brother may have loved that game and said it's the best game of all time. You just can't use personal opinion in something like that. I agree I thought Kingdom Hearts sucked but i'm sure Kingdom Hearts 2 will sell just about as good if not better. A lot of people loved that game.

What's your point?

Or 'cuz Fiddy is the illinest foo' on the planet, yo'.

Or because it's a GTA ripoff.

Sigh, on the main rack today at Best Buy a full row was set for Kingkong and 50 Cents game each. Both the PS2 versions.

Fate do you agree with my last sentences on my previous post? I was really looking for a reply from you.

K, uh, maybe you don't know what "Panic Mode" is. It's when Sony says or does something crazy because they're in a bit of minor trouble.

Sonys not in any trouble. Theres no real need to be in trouble. They're a Multi billion dollar company who dominates in the Gaming industry. Theres no need for them to worry.

Are you trying to convince us, or yourself?

[quote=SomebodyRandom]Theres no real need to be in trouble.

Lol, what?

I'm still awaiting a reply from Fate.

And of course I'm still waiting for big Boss and Aioros to give examples of Nitnendo or Nitnendo spokesperosns lying. Both said they do but despite several times both refuse too.

I have two explantations for this behaviour:
1>They don't have any which means they are fanboys becuase only a fanboy would say "omg yeh well YOUR console lies" without giving any eveidnce in the same post or even after anotehr member has specifically asked them to supply some

2>They are ignoring my posts becuase they smell and would rather continue their somewhat off topic argument wqith Prince and Speedy. :(:(:(